Just to be clear, you did something like:

incinerate,molten_core=1/soul_fire,molten_core=0,decimation=1/shadow_bolt

and you found that this was a DPS increase over the profile as stated in the simcraft thread?

edit: sorry, misread Fenz's post, asking about Incinerate above 35%, not below.

I am less concerned about my HPS, most concerned about mana management and survival of the raid group. Surge of light has helped me in many situations, from casting a group heal, proc, then hitting the person who's still taking damage/taking more damage than others, to timing it to top off the tank just at the end of its duration, to get the free heal, then the mp5.
As far as mind sear goes, I've used it when noone in the group is taking damage, but I usually group heal, so I don't have a lot of time to dps, save for a few tab target dots and dev plague. When I have used mind sear, I always get flash proc, so I guess I could start using it more. I'm not at my computer to check the mana cost for it, but I saw that its 28% of base mana, I need to check actual cost to me before I go into more detail on that.
Of course, I should add, I change over to my pvp disc spec for Saurfang, and that works really well for our 10 man raid group.

Great guide, thank you. Only thing I missed was, what is the best presence to use for single-target raid DPS? Both Blood and Unholy seem viable, is there a preferred or does it vary?

You always want to be in Blood presence, I think the only spec that ever benefitted from Unholy presence was a terrible DW Frost spec in 3.0 or 3.1.

What exactly is your scenario where mind searing to proc SoL makes sense? I don't buy the Freya+3 scenario. Either you are seriously overgearing the encounter, in which case it is especially useless to try to semi-optimize. Or you are struggling with the encounter, in which case "noone in the group is taking damage" is just not going to happen.

Providing a tiny bit of DPS in an encounter where your raid is struggling doesn't make sense. Sure, you can provide the odd dot during the pull, but at almost every other point in time you can do better. Get into a better position, keep inspiration up on tanks, renew someone, whatever.

As was pointed out in the other thread, your maths was floored, Slow > fast unless such a large difference in item level that the DPS of the faster wepon is so much higher than the fast wepon.

I figured such, I just wanted to verify nothing changed. Thank you very much =)

I don't understand what you're asking, in order for fast weapons to have even the slightest chance of being better than a slow weapon, they'd have to have a MUCH higher DPS value. However, this will never happen as every tier of content has weapons (both fast and slow) with identical DPS values. As such, you will NEVER see a benefit from using a fast weapon over a slow weapon in progression level gear (the only level of gear we are concerned about in this forum).

He compares

• 1.5 1h Weapon, making 26 instant attacks
• 2.6 1h Weapon, making 15 instant attacks

So both are at a 39s interval
His logic and math is so faulty, it makes me cringe

Surge of light is hardly the only solution to the "I just cast CoH and someone is still missing health," situation. If the person is still taking damage, prayer of mending or renew could be a better solution, depending on the source of the damage. Otherwise simply letting passive healing and druid hots on that person bring them to full health is often perfectly viable if there are no dangerous things the boss could do to them before they reach full health.


Flash heal only costs 18% of base mana. Mind searing to proc SoL is pretty counterproductive if your goal is mana efficiency.

Learn to read before making a pointless post. I stated my math was wrong in the other post and posted updated math comparing straight autoattacks between the 245 lionhead and grinder. Add information or shut up.