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Old 01/07/10, 11:06 AM   #11566
Elerion
Great Tiger
 
Worgen Priest
 
Ravencrest (EU)
But the original poster is disc/holy, and seems to be interested in the healing set.

In which case: Both the T10 healing set bonuses are situational at best. There is little reason to chase them beyond the stats on the pieces themselves.

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Old 01/07/10, 11:15 AM   #11567
Neil.Reynolds
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Aerie Peak
Critical hypothesis

BTW. It always puzzled me that all or none of the Rain of Fire and Seed of Corruption either crit or don't crit together; especially as this makes the "Empowered Imp" effectively trigger "multiple crits".

I apologize if this is obvious to everyone else.

I suspect it was a necessary compensation for all of the things that trigger off of crits, and it is therefor not going to change, and it will likely affect all critable AoE (I'd be interested to learn of any AoE that triggers multiple crit procs by hitting multiple mobs in 1 tick).

If we could AoE 25 critters and reliably get 8 procs from crits, every 2 seconds, that could easily be overpowered (depending on what a crit proc can trigger). By treating all of the AoE damage as a single proc chance, the number of procs per minute stays inline with single target focusing. And because it is a single proc chance, all of the targets have to crit simultaneously.

We might reach a point where "Procs per cast time" becomes important, and crittable DoTs on multiple creatures (providing 5 crits per GCD) becomes Important/OverPowered. And they probably can't make them all either crit or fail to crit easily due to refreshable DoTs. Even if they did "reroll" crit after every refresh, like they're resampling Haste after every refresh of corruption, It could lead to people intentionally clipping after the FIRST tick if it didn't crit.

If a non-refreshable DoT ticked 5 times, and only used 1 crit roll for all 5, it would do more damage over time if it were always immediately replaced if it wasn't critting, whether or not it was worth it would depend on the amount of casting time lost, and how much damage could have been done in that time by other spells. the amount of otherwise wasted cast time would be proportional to 1/crit. If anyone cared, we could easily work up a formula for how much more damage would be done, and how much more time it would take with the new strategy. From that we could compute the revised DpCT, and see if it was still higher than the filler spell. If this happened, addons would be necessary to play your best, and Bliz has repeatedly said that they hate it when that happens.

For this reason I think DoTs will always use multiple crit rolls if they crit at all.

This was nagging me on the drive home last night, and on the way to work this morning. Now that I've written it down, I can try and forget it

Last edited by Neil.Reynolds : 01/07/10 at 12:03 PM.

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Old 01/07/10, 11:18 AM   #11568
WildWill
Banned
 
Undead Priest
 
Wildhammer (EU)
Power Word Shield

Something i havent seen anywhere else but is there some mechanics or formula that tells you exactly how much damage a PWS actually absorbs before it is consumed? Im assuming it scales directly with the players spell power but anyone have any ideas what sort of figures a shield contains?

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Old 01/07/10, 12:19 PM   #11569
Neural
 
Tauren Druid
 
Darkspear (EU)
Originally Posted by Caniki View Post
DBW no longer procs ArPen.
Did you even read my post, I know it no longer proc's it, that was the WHOLE point of my post, should I swap my AP proccing trinket for a lower ilvl arp proc.

Let me put it another way, how do [Needle-Encrusted Scorpion] and [Whispering Fanged Skull] compare to each other? as I have both.

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Old 01/07/10, 12:27 PM   #11570
Shammiewow
Von Kaiser
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Eonar
Originally Posted by Extenze View Post
Neurotic Touch ended up being 2.4-3% of my damage on most fights.
Neurotic Touch? Doesn't that proc from [Deadly Hand Of The Therapist]?

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Old 01/07/10, 12:34 PM   #11571
sigurr0s
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Mannoroth
Originally Posted by Neural View Post
Let me put it another way, how do [Needle-Encrusted Scorpion] and [Whispering Fanged Skull] compare to each other? as I have both.
It depends on the rest of your gear. Get Rawr and see what it says.

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Old 01/07/10, 12:40 PM   #11572
Drexxi80
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Outland (EU)
Using that reaping rotation from your post was a VERY big difference for me, Over 400 dps gain using that rotation. Around 180 dps gain over 4pT9 on single target fights

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Old 01/07/10, 1:58 PM   #11573
prenn
Banned
 
Blood Elf Hunter
 
Dalaran
Which t10 set pieces are the best to buy with my frost badges for resto spec?

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Old 01/07/10, 2:03 PM   #11574
CorruptFate
Glass Joe
 
Troll Shaman
 
Trollbane
Deleted per request.

Last edited by CorruptFate : 01/07/10 at 3:50 PM.

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Old 01/07/10, 2:56 PM   #11575
nuibank
Von Kaiser
 
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Blood Elf Warlock
 
Sen'jin
Originally Posted by NecroNetics View Post
Ah, okay. Is there some documentation on exactly how to find these values or at least a deeper explanation of how they work?
Use simcraft using a profile that matches your character.

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Old 01/07/10, 4:12 PM   #11576
Cuthalion
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Alonsus (EU)
it might be me mistaking, but did SS get buffed?

If i remember correct before this weeks patch ss did 50% physical damage, now the tooltip says 60%.
Did anyone else notice that?

If so, should that not make the reaping spec win over non reaping dps wise?

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Old 01/07/10, 4:22 PM   #11577
Astorax
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Gorgonnash
Head's up on the Deathbringer's Will, the ArP proc has been hotfixed to be haste instead. This changes most of the extensive testing that's been done in the 3.3 thread...

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Old 01/07/10, 5:35 PM   #11578
Siithlord
 
Human Warlock
 
Bronzebeard (EU)
Help !

Hey guys, I've got some probs with dps and after spending hrs trying to solve these did no good, I've got to ask you for help.

The rotation I'm using, the most common Destro lock rotation, so, CoD (or IF needed CoE), immolate, Conflag, Chaos Bolt, Immolate, Incinerate till Conflag is off CD and so on. It's simple rotation, so I don't think I;m making mistake there.

The World of Warcraft Armory

My link. The gear I have and talents. It's all there... I changed my talents a bit but it's no big change so it shouldn't matter that much. I went for Demonic Aegis, lost the Soul Leech and the Improved Soul Leech. Not sure when It'll be updated tho'. There are 2-3 blue gems but that was me being cheap lol :-) No big difference there either. I'm rly in a dilema here guys and would rly appreciate any help.

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Old 01/07/10, 5:46 PM   #11579
turturin
Don Flamenco
 
Orc Warlock
 
Kilrogg
Originally Posted by Siithlord View Post
Hey guys, I've got some probs with dps and after spending hrs trying to solve these did no good, I've got to ask you for help.

The rotation I'm using, the most common Destro lock rotation, so, CoD (or IF needed CoE), immolate, Conflag, Chaos Bolt, Immolate, Incinerate till Conflag is off CD and so on. It's simple rotation, so I don't think I;m making mistake there.

The World of Warcraft Armory

My link. The gear I have and talents. It's all there... I changed my talents a bit but it's no big change so it shouldn't matter that much. I went for Demonic Aegis, lost the Soul Leech and the Improved Soul Leech. Not sure when It'll be updated tho'. There are 2-3 blue gems but that was me being cheap lol :-) No big difference there either. I'm rly in a dilema here guys and would rly appreciate any help.
Your 3/8/60 spec was quite bad. Your glyphs are very far from optimal. The best thing you can do would be to read this thread and the simcraft thread in their entirety.

If your understanding of spec and glyphs are really this poor, no offense intended but its likely that your rotation isn't nearly as tight as it should be either.

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Old 01/07/10, 5:51 PM   #11580
renork
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Hydraxis
OK it's been a while since I downloaded this spreadsheet but WTF is up with the download site?!?!? I went there and it tried to force me to fill out a whole slew of online "free offers" before letting me download the file. Hell it's been 15 minutes and I haven't even gotten to be able to download the file yet. I won't put in my correct information in these kind of site but I tried using fake information with a spam email and nothing got me to the file.

Can someone please host this file on a legit file hosting site? Like Rapidshare or whatever?

EDIT: ok it looks like rapidbee leads to a list of links and some of the links lead to less reputable sites than others. For example I got a big DOWNLOAD HERE button that led me to the run-around BS I went through, but there was a small text link below it for RapidShare. Be forewarned.

Last edited by renork : 01/07/10 at 9:07 PM.

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