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Old 01/08/10, 2:06 PM   #11671
Sunshinewow
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Sylvanas (EU)
Originally Posted by frmorrison View Post
There is a Flaw with Rawr because it doesn't model Byrntroll correctly. Gutton is saying that Shadow's Edge is about 60 dps better, however I am not changing 264 Byrntroll to 264 Shadow's Edge. 277 Byrntroll is still BiS sans Shadowmourne. This is subject to change with Arthas loot and the changed Malevolent Girdle.
There is blue post today saying that Bryntroll acting to much overpowered in hand or ret and unholy DK and it`s not intended...so nerf is very close.
Thay wanna axe to do around 3-4 % overall dmg (like furry war) not 8 % like ret or dk...but again whats happand when furry warr get both Axes it`s again 8 % dmg and it`s not fer to ppl who cant dw.

My question is it worth to stick to Bryntroll if thay nerf dmg on 3 % overall over taking Shadow Edge?
From link you can see that furry warrior got like 45 k dmg from it (imo not worth...) and i got almost 170 k and over 8 % whats very nice.
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Old 01/08/10, 2:24 PM   #11672
Kellendros
Glass Joe
 
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Warsong
its seems like seal of vengeance ticks and refreshment do not proc drain life anymore, the nerf is already there.
What happend is that those are not considered melee hits anymore, it does not only reduces bryntroll efectiveness but also berserking uptime.

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Old 01/08/10, 2:48 PM   #11673
Erothan
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Paladin
 
Windrunner
And yes before someone flames me I did use the search feature and it turned up with nothing answering this.

So I don't understand with the importance of Int why Solace of the Defeated is so much better than trinkets like Pandora's plea. Can anyone help me with this.

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Old 01/08/10, 3:11 PM   #11674
ghooge
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Bonechewer
It seems like the only reason for hybrid tanking him would be if you're having a hard time beating the enrage timer.

If you have already beaten him and had no problems with the timer, why go through the effort to beat it by slightly more?

If you already have two bear specs, then you're not losing much. But if you have to respec your main spec for a hybrid for one fight, you're going to end up respeccing multiple times per clear.

The other consideration is that with 80-90% increased damage, you're not going to be able to flip to cat and go all out without passing the other tank's threat in very short time. Even given a Hand of Salvation, as a cat you'd probably pass the other tank quickly.

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Old 01/08/10, 3:14 PM   #11675
Slowmo_1
Glass Joe
 
Undead Rogue
 
Stormreaver
So I've still yet to see an answer to the only real questions that seem to be needed. With the nerf to poisons does our spec change back to 51/13/7 for mut and 15/51/5 for combat or stay where they currently are? Also If combat does indeed go back to 15/51/5 am I correct in assuming we go back to WP mh DP off? I know it's early and people are probably still crunching numbers so these may not be answered yet.

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Old 01/08/10, 3:31 PM   #11676
Phoenix2584
Glass Joe
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Gul'dan
The choice for runeforges has not changed with the inception of the nerubian carapace. The sum of avoidance and stamina are the same compared to the 2h versions. With that in mind, 2x Nerubian Carapace will net you 2% stamina and ~3% avoidance (1% miss/parry/dodge from the defense), while 2x Swordbreaking nets ~4% avoidance through parry.

Like Starfox has pointed out the defense from nerubian carapace has other implications such as increased damage reduction while using IBF. After DWing several clears of ICC 10-25 I have reverted back to 2x nerubian carapace. The stam is always nice and the defense will certainly be put to use so that I can make the new crafted boots which have zero defense on them.

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Old 01/08/10, 3:40 PM   #11677
x3dfritz
 
Undead Rogue
 
Mal'Ganis
With the soon to be nerf to our class:

(courtesy of mmo-champion)
Quote from: Bornakk (Source)
Listed below are recent fixes we have applied to the game. Keep in mind that some of these changes may not be active until after the realm has been restarted.

To review previous in-game fixes, please visit: World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Recent In-Game Fixes - December 2009 - 12/17

01/07/10

* Rotface’s hit points have been reduced in the 10 person encounter.
* Stealthed rogues should no longer trigger traps in Ice Crown Citadel from long range.
* The base damage bonus from Hunger for Blood has been reduced from 10% to 5%.
* The bonus damage rogues gain from attack power for poisons has been decreased. This applies to Instant Poison, Deadly Poison, and Wound Poison.


I was wondering if there would be any impact to the current mutilate spec?

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Old 01/08/10, 3:45 PM   #11678
Naryo
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Frostwolf (EU)
My SP DPS is ridiculously low

Dear Shadowpriests, I raided as Disc Priest for some time, but realised that SP is much more fun; or at least could be.
Since I tried Shadow Specc i loved it, but while the quality of my gear was increasing, my DPS was stagnating, or even decreasing in some situations.

Armory Link

WWS follows as soon as possible. I am reinstalling my WOW right now, so I can´t post the stats yet.

I tried various rotations:
Single Target
Priority:
* Ensure that Misery is up.
* Recast Shadow Word: Pain at 5x Shadow Weaving.
* Vampiric Touch
* Devouring Plague
* Mind Blast
* Mind Flay

1. Mind Blast on cooldown.
2. Cast Mind Flay when everything else is up or on cooldown.
3. Use Shadow Word Death to deal damage while moving
(thanks again Mearis for your nice SP guide)

and the 3.3 rotation macro posted by Squinky on shadowpriest.com • Index page

MAIN ROTATION SUPER DUPER MACRO Requires the 2 piece T9 set bonus:

/castsequence [nochanneling] reset=target/10 devouring plague, vampiric touch, mind blast, mind flay, mind flay, mind blast, mind flay, mind flay, mind blast, devouring plague, vampiric touch, mind flay, mind blast, mind flay, mind flay, mind blast, mind flay, shadow word: death
/cast shadowfiend
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
to name but a few. I just can´t seem to top 4k DPS on the Dummy (If I reach them at all) I thought about reasons for my lacking DPS; I did not have to bad dot uptimes and I didn´t fail at cds either. (not drastically)
But even when using that nice castsequence macro my DPS decreased to 3.2k. I am seriously confused and frustrated.
I spent like 3 whole days searching for the severe fault in my rota.

I know my gear is not at all perfectly socketed and enchanted and the stats aren´t mixed well (like FAR above hitcap ) I know these issues, but I don´t have any gear to compensate it at the moment.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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Old 01/08/10, 4:11 PM   #11679
Khazim
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Death Knight
 
Ulduar (EU)
I (combat rogue) was raiding Onyxia 25 today with my guild and managed to get my hands on a Tempered Vis'Kag the Bloodletter... so now I wonder if in your opinion this weapon is worth it. I'm upgrading from Nighttime with Liar's Tongue. I didnt manage to find any definite info on proc chances... maybe someone could help me out here?

Last edited by Khazim : 01/08/10 at 4:20 PM.

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Old 01/08/10, 4:12 PM   #11680
Pimpmuckl
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Anetheron (EU)
Originally Posted by Dacheflol View Post
[Tiny Abomination in a Jar] Log Overviev:

No Gear, No Imbues, No Styles, 1h13min (2x1.3 daggers[Poniard])
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No Gear, No Imbues, No Styles, ca 1h (2x1.9 mace [Mace])
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No Gear, No Imbues, No Styles, ca 1h16min (2x2.6 axe[Hellscream Slicer]+berserking)
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No Gear, No Styles, 30min, WF/FT (2x1.3 daggers [Poniard]):
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MH 1.3 dagger [Poniard], No OH, FT Imbued,No Gear 19x Manifest Anger
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MH 1.3 dagger [Poniard], No OH, FT Imbued, Full Gear 25x Manifest Anger
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2x1.3 daggers[Poniard], WF/FT, Full Gear, Rota without FN ~5 Mill Dmg / 20 min
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SS Tripple Procc - [02:03:44.828]-[02:03:44.843] | [02:04:09.343]-[02:04:09.359]
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Thx for those numbers,

if anyone has got Black Bruise and Tiny Abomination together to try proccing Tiny Abomination from Necrotic Touch hits and vice versa.

P.S. Greetzes to ol' Anetheron berstschamie from good ol' Anetheron

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Old 01/08/10, 4:20 PM   #11681
Anha
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Rogue
 
Разувий (EU)
Does anyone have to say anything about what spec does more damage?

As for me I have tested both 51-18-2 and 51-13-7 on a dummy and in raid. And 51-13-7 comes out ahead by app. 500 dps raid buffed and 200 dps on dummy. I can post WOL logs if there is a need for them.

Also with a buff from Heartpierce dagger and Overkill buff there is a problem of excessive energy, so I was wondering what is better: envenom clipping or another mutilate when the target has 4cps?

I apologize in advance for being a noob.

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Old 01/08/10, 4:23 PM   #11682
Trickster
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Durotan
How do the ICC10 normal weapons compare VS BB from ICC25?

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Old 01/08/10, 4:24 PM   #11683
angst1558
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Shandris
Heartpierce vs. Rib Spreader for MH?

I was hoping to get some feedback on which dagger would have the most DPS for a mutilate spec Rogue ( 51/18/2)

I have the Heroic Dirk the Night Watch as an OH.

Thanks

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Old 01/08/10, 4:29 PM   #11684
SilenceMG
 
Blood Elf Rogue
 
Moonglade (EU)
Originally Posted by Khazim View Post
I (combat rogue) was raiding Onyxia 25 today with my guild and managed to get my hands on a Tempered Vis'Kag the Bloodletter... so now I wonder if in your opinion this weapon is worth it. I'm upgrading from Nighttime with Liar's Tongue. I didnt manage to find any definite info on proc chances... maybe someone could help me out here?
There was a post about it that was stickied till recently. Basically, the 245 Proc Chance weapons are about as good as 232 Stat Weapons such as Nighttime. So, no, it's not worth upgrading.

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Old 01/08/10, 4:44 PM   #11685
Blew
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Maelstrom
Thank you for all the feedback

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