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Old 01/10/10, 4:34 AM   #11776
markovicous
Glass Joe
 
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Orc Hunter
 
Ner'zhul
Originally Posted by Weyard View Post
I currently have [Deathbringer's Will], [Death's Choice], and [Whispering Fanged Skull].

I plugged them into my spreadsheet and says DBW+WFS would be the best combo but I know I shouldn't totally trust the spreadsheet. I just wanted a second opinion on which trinket would go best with DBW, Regular DC or WFS?
I'm reading it as a 13.8 DPS decrease using Death's Choice, which doesn't make it totally obvious or an easy choice. Considering the completely different nature of the trinkets 13.8 is not a big difference. In my opinion, Death's Choice > WFS in most cases. For AoE fights (H Anub, trash) I'd pop on the WFS since volley gains more from Attack Power than Agility.

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Old 01/10/10, 5:42 AM   #11777
Chrisfarly
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Gnome Death Knight
 
Muradin
Can this thread be deleted please, It is just common knowledge that dw tanking is in no way viable in a serious raid.

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Old 01/10/10, 6:02 AM   #11778
Minttm
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Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Ner'zhul
Originally Posted by Chrisfarly View Post
Can this thread be deleted please, It is just common knowledge that dw tanking is in no way viable in a serious raid.
I'm pretty sure dw is viable.
you wanna give some reasons of why you think dw fail?

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Old 01/10/10, 6:03 AM   #11779
Ardourdan
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Troll Shaman
 
Magtheridon (EU)
Our set bonus is still trash to me. It's pitiful that this is what Blizzard are hoping for us to accept. The Tier 9 set bonuses are far more attractive and the fact that the 4th bonus works against the 2nd is unbelievable.

As for the 4th set bonus, it's hardly a boost at all and if they really feel we need a damage upgrade to movement fights, then why don't they give us a fix somewhere other than a sodding set bonus.

And as for people saying "I will accept this bonus because now I can attack adds instantly", why would you use Lava Burst when you can use Chain Lightning on adds? And if you can use both then why not use Flame Shock on them anyway?

It's just epic fail. Surely there must be someone at Blizzard with his face under his palm at the other designers.

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Old 01/10/10, 7:19 AM   #11780
Brave_Heart
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Holalala
Gnome Death Knight
 
No WoW Account
So how is Brynstoll (264 version) compare to 258 version heroic Justibringer or Dual bladed butcher?

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Old 01/10/10, 8:15 AM   #11781
VxinBR
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Death Knight
 
Blackrock
Originally Posted by Brave_Heart View Post
So how is Brynstoll (264 version) compare to 258 version heroic Justibringer or Dual bladed butcher?
Better then them.

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Old 01/10/10, 8:28 AM   #11782
paco19832
 
Human Death Knight
 
Shadowmoon
Byntroll's proc is doin 4.8% of my dmg WoW Meters Online - Combatlog Replay

Last edited by paco19832 : 01/10/10 at 8:36 AM.

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Old 01/10/10, 8:40 AM   #11783
plein
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Minahonda (EU)
Using Kahorie's Simulator i found better dps usig 12-0-59 than using14-0-57.

Someone can test this? i prefer the second spec for combats with adds.

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Old 01/10/10, 9:19 AM   #11784
Jenren22
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Blood Elf Warlock
 
Executus (EU)
Ok, I will certainly try and keep corruption rolling on each fight. It certainly helps to have the boss on focus with focus dot timers so I can always see the time remaining on corruption.

As for Marrowgar, I don't usually have a problem on this fight as the bone spikes should go down fast enough for your dots not to drop off, plus during the bone storm I make use of nightfall procs and if he's not close I try and throw a haunt or shadow bolt. I also believe the initial cast of Drain Soul refreshes it, I haven't tested this but would simply casting drain soul then cancelling it be sufficient to refresh corruption?

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Old 01/10/10, 10:09 AM   #11785
Stryder
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Human Paladin
 
Frostmane (EU)
Originally Posted by Rhyas View Post
As more and more wings of ICC open up and Emblems of Frost become more and more available, when would be a good time to purchase Libram of Three Truths?

Would it be wiser to save up for 4 pcs of T10 or just buy 2 pcs T10, the Libram, then the other 2 pcs?
I believe Libram of Valiance is still better because of the long ramp up time on Three Truths, atleast for bosses with adds, or frequent pauses between dps phases. It will be useful for situations in which you don't use SOV though so keep that in mind. Even so it shouldn't be a priority.

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Old 01/10/10, 10:13 AM   #11786
Njakke
 
Dwarf Warrior
 
Shattered Hand (EU)
DPS gain, how?

Hello I wonder how I shall raise my DPS even further..
I have quite decent gear atm;
The World of Warcraft Armory

According to the Calculation Spreadsheet that I found on the page I shall have 8k dps..

In ICC10 on Deathbringer Saurfang I have around 6.5k dps..

My DPS rotation is;
Charge
Mortal Strike
Rend
Bladestorm
Overpower
Then it's just random, if Execute procc I'll use it instant same goes with Overpower.. If neither of em are usable and MS is on CD I'll use slam until someone of those 3 attacks are able again..
Refresh rend after last tick, always have MS on CD

And WHEN shall I use Overpower? Directly when it proccs OR ~5-6 sec left on the procc? Same goes with Execute..

Instead of Banner of Victory I can change to Victor's Call[Heroic] so I reach my expertise cap, but when im standing behind boss I still have 100% non-parry (if you guys doubt that choice of trinket)

Last edited by Njakke : 01/10/10 at 10:37 AM.

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Old 01/10/10, 10:28 AM   #11787
Larenitis
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Human Paladin
 
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Arthas
Looking through the Loot tables at this point in time, it seems like not a lot of gear contains the haste/mp5 for which is very impeccable for holy paladins. Even most mail gear has the lack of haste/mp5 as a combination of stats, and more haste/crit and crit/mp5. So it seems that with mp5 being one, or our most throughput stat, that someone who wants to "maximize" it's potential will have to pick up a bunch of crit/mp5 (which seems to be such a bad combination).

Considering that when raiding you may have 4 or 5 more healers with you, who also will be healing all over, and considering provided raid buffs; smart healing on your part will lead to less mana loss, so trying for a good combination of mp5 and haste, followed by the amount of crit between pieces of gear is all preference of the player.

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Old 01/10/10, 10:47 AM   #11788
Lightbeard
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Human Death Knight
 
Vek'nilash
Quick question for Unholy

What would be the best combo of talents+enchants

Currently I am 1/2 Imp UP for 8% run speed and 4/5 Necrosis with 32 AP on boots

Would 0/2 Imp UP 5/5 Necrosis and Tuskarrs work better?

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Old 01/10/10, 10:52 AM   #11789
Hegen
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Human Priest
 
Alleria (EU)
Originally Posted by Naryo View Post
I just can´t seem to top 4k DPS on the Dummy (If I reach them at all) I thought about reasons for my lacking DPS; I did not have to bad dot uptimes and I didn´t fail at cds either. (not drastically)
What makes you think you should top 4k DPS on the dummy? Rawr estimates 3812 DPS unbuffed (spirit, inner fire, but no food, flask) based on your current equipment.

Further analysis will need a WWS log.

Originally Posted by Jeremy Clarkson
The simple fact is this. We are told to concentrate more. But we can only do that if we are allowed to go considerably faster.

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Old 01/10/10, 10:56 AM   #11790
Agent
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Troll Death Knight
 
Karazhan (EU)
Originally Posted by Lightbeard View Post
Quick question for Unholy

What would be the best combo of talents+enchants

Currently I am 1/2 Imp UP for 8% run speed and 4/5 Necrosis with 32 AP on boots

Would 0/2 Imp UP 5/5 Necrosis and Tuskarrs work better?
What does this have to do with DW tanking builds ?

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