Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 788

Naihan · 01/10/10, 3:21 PM

Reason for Editing: removed for personal stupidity.

Ivanna · 01/10/10, 3:27 PM

Assuming a fight where I would blow all my cooldowns at the start (with Icy Veins Arcane Power, and Talisman of the Resurgence), what's the cooldown rotation after that?

With Arcane Power @ 1.4 minute cooldown and Talisman @ a 2 minute cooldown, should I wait for both of them to be up to stack it? And if I do, what about Icy Veins which is @ a 2.4 minute cooldown? I feel like using Arcane Power the second time first and then stacking Talisman + Icy Veins would be ideal but that's w/o math backup.

Basically what I'm asking is what's the most amount of time I should be holding back a cooldown just to stack it with something else? I know the amount of time you can hold it back changes depending on what cooldowns are being considered, but I would love to see the numbers.

Sorry if this has been posted somewhere else before but I couldn't find it in my searches.

Then there's also bloodlust, which should no longer stack with Icy Veins due to 2piece t10 breaking the haste cap. Which cooldowns and how long could I hold back cooldowns for lust?

Edit: This is of course taking into account a standing fight where I'm not moving at all.

Lontra · 01/10/10, 4:10 PM

If serpent sting is refreshed by chimaera shot, is there any reason to have the glyph of serpent sting?

Relcan · 01/10/10, 4:13 PM

Victor's call is one of the worst trinkets in the game for an Arms Warrior IMO. I think a Mirror of Truth is better, and mosdef Banner is better. The SEP value of Expertise IAW the SS normally range around 0.4-0.5 SEP...so considering Crit normally ranges from 0.8-.95 SEP its an easy choice, also Victor's Call use ability is kinda bad.

On that note, if your using an Arms build with a low expertise you should try to make Overpower a priority over any SD proc. This is due to the possibility of a Dodge overwriting your TFB. You get no 'Overpower Rebate' if one of your attacks is Dodged and your TFB proc is active. Someone mentioned earlier in the page prior that Overpower (w/ very low Expertise) may even trump MS on CD...can anyone confirm this?...this would be due to the possibility of your MS getting dodge, and you losing the DPS of MS and not gaining any DPS because you've overwritten your TFB proc.

zeen13 · 01/10/10, 4:21 PM

it increases the damage done by chimera shot's 40% bloom effect.

now my question:

how important is ArP for a survival hunter? should i take gear with ArP/crit or gear with crit/haste?

Zematorium · 01/10/10, 4:22 PM

Does the fix resolve the issues from before with the 4-pc potentially backlashing the dps gain of the 2-pc?

From what I can imagine it does not.

Tordik · 01/10/10, 4:35 PM

Originally Posted by Calidus

I don't think you can look at it as 70% spell push back vs 6% mana conservation. You also have to consider that amounts of spell, haste, crit and spirit you could have if you freed up 3% hit on you gear. Another thing to remember is that spell push back was changed when 3.0 came out, you can only be pushed back 2 twice per spell now. Most of the time DS is only being channeled for 15-20% of the duration of the fight and in most cases and ends up being 15-20% of your damage. The Added DPS again from not having DS pushed back, can't make up for the extra stats that you loose, which effect the majority you spells not just 1.

wow i think you're right... thank you for clearing that up for me i did honestly forget about the pushback twice per spell thing, haha

however i believe that suppression still makes it almost too easy now to become hit capped

as far as other stats that i could be gemming for in place of 3% hit (total) with gems i'm not sure that, that is still much of a dps gain ...

consider for example that 3% from the gems instead of being for hit rating went to say haste... a 3% haste increase doesn't sound like much to me but i can see as how it could be beneficial

haste however has something of an extended cap to it.. something like 50% or so because the GC can not be any shorter than 1 second if i recall correctly.

the only other option would be crit which imo if you are at 25% crit or about 30-33% crit you probably have enough crit or too much crit maybe and that could cause threat issues with a lousy tank or worse your pDPS would start to fall short because you would not be putting enough emphasis on spell damage prior to the original point of this post which was suppresion vs fel concentration

Sorry about kinda ranting on about that like i did, sometimes by thinking out loud like this it helps me figure things out.
Needless to say i respecced after this post.

volcore · 01/10/10, 4:39 PM

so im just curious why the destruction BIS has soooo much haste on it. I thought we always minded the haste cap and didnt want to go under globals. Although, i suppose it might only be capped during lust and hopefully not backdraft. So is the plan to just be an incinerate machine gun? Or would it be more beneficial to start stacking crit/spirit gear so the lifetap glyph is still > immolate/imp glyphs?

theshadowranger · 01/10/10, 4:52 PM

I'm not sure what to search for or where to begin. I'm a fury warrior so I came here. Everyone keeps telling me that my DPS is low. Some say that based on my gear, it should be higher. I don't know what my DPS is. I don't know how to find out. I tried using that recount thing but it has a bunch of numbers and I don't know what to look at. Any help would be appreciated.

ninoffmaniak · 01/10/10, 4:52 PM

Originally Posted by Cactus-King

This rule is a bit misleading. Try it in the spreadsheet--in almost all cases, IHM will be a DPS increase for you personally, even if there is not a single other Hunter in your raid to benefit.

Try it yourself. Just make sure you have the buffs section of the spreadsheet (or Zeherah's app) set up to use your HM in the calculation and not assume someone else is providing IHM (which it will do by default if you just mash the "Enable Best Raid Buffs" button).

If you need Focused Aim to reach the Hit cap in your gear, you will have to start pulling talent points from somewhere in order to maintain 3/3 IHM. On my spreadsheet, Rapid Recuperation is the best place to do so, followed by ISS. (And it is still better personal DPS to run 3/3 IHM with reduced points in RR and ISS.)

After months of trying to convince ppl that taking IHM is better then ISS finaly some one else start seeing it
so of opinial talents
you have
Rapid Recuperation
Improved Steady Shot
Efficiency
Improved Hunter's Mark
Focused Aim

so picking Focused Aim over all other is allways give best dps if you not have hit gear you skip it if you have hit gear but is better so take this and take more arp or agy from gear

Improved Hunter's Mark is better then all except if you miss hit from gear or other hunter in your raid have it
is i in any posible situation better then ISS if you dont trust me put you spredshet to "use mine hm" and play with talents spredsheat is made to sets your dps and you cant put you have ihm if you dont have it that is not acurate then

So for left points you can take Rapid Recuperation or Efficiency. Rapid Recuperation 1/2 is totaly better then any points in efficency

and rest points Should go to ISS

Fenix500 · 01/10/10, 4:54 PM

Originally Posted by Zematorium

Does the fix resolve the issues from before with the 4-pc potentially backlashing the dps gain of the 2-pc?

From what I can imagine it does not.

No, it doesn't. The 2pc wants you casting more LB/CL, the 4pc has you casting more LvB. This is still the case, but even so, the 2pc is a dps gain.

minglewood · 01/10/10, 5:07 PM

US - Garrosh - Mirack

WoW Meters Online -icc 10 Combatlog Replay

WoW Meters Online -icc 25 Combatlog Replay

Spell rotation: COD, immolate, conflag, chaos bolt, spam incinerate until one of the cooldowns is off.
Use a Firestone & Flask of Frost Wyrm

I am fairly well geared and gemmed, use ForteXorcist to monitor cooldowns. I seem to be stuck at 3.4k to 4k range. I know I should be up in the 6k to 7k range. My latency runs in the 250-400 range and my framerate is usually in the upper 40's except sometimes in icc 25 I have noticed it down in the 10 range. Don't really think it's my computer but figured I wound lay that out as well. I'm sure I'm doing something wrong in my play mechanics. I have included my last two runs in ICC and 10 and a 25.

phyxate · 01/10/10, 5:45 PM

Hey guys! I was wondering what the general consensus was on popping mirror images at the start of a fight in my 25m ICC group. Our tank is really good but I am wondering when exactly I can start dpsing and not pull aggro. When do you guys usually pop mirror images during a fight?

Also, I usually start off by popping mirror images, my haste potion, and then AP+IC+Talisman of Resurgance. Can this order be improved for better DPS?

Thanks for all the helpful information on the site, I'll try to contribute what I can!

phyxate · 01/10/10, 5:46 PM

Hey guys! I was wondering what the general consensus was on popping mirror images at the start of a fight in my 25m ICC group. Our tank is really good but I am wondering when exactly I can start dpsing and not pull aggro. When do you guys usually pop mirror images during a fight?

Also, I usually start off by popping mirror images, my haste potion, and then AP+IC+Talisman of Resurgance. Can this order be improved for better DPS?

Thanks for all the helpful information on the site, I'll try to contribute what I can!

Nightshade9168 · 01/10/10, 6:18 PM

I am very new to this site and was just reading all I could on mages. Now I know I'm going to catch hell for this but yesterday I happend to see a Frost mage who was able to massivly put out some dps. This made me very happy seeing as Frost is my favorite spec. However by running thro your forums I did not see anything about rading as frost. Has anyone come up with the numbers to even remotely prove Frost as a viable raiding spec. And if so can someone please direct me in the right direction?