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01/17/09, 10:11 AM
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#1951
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Piston Honda
Tauren Druid
Defias Brotherhood (EU)
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Also talking on threat your iMangle does about 3% threat for 3 talent points. If you want to let threat go remove those 3 as well.
I don't know what you tank normally, but a high amount of threat is very nice when you are swiping packs and there are a lot of people aoe-ing.
Also you need all the threat you can get on Malygos (At times the rest of the raid does 200% damage = 200% threat of normal). I have seen some overagro's on that one.
At the moment you have a lot of talents not really needed or usable in tanking.
Primal tenacity is more of a pvp stat then pve. Predatory Instincts has no effect. I seldom use Demoralising Roar which makes Feral Aggression not that good either. I don't know how Infected wounds would work on raidbosses. I don't use it. Found this:
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The attack-slowing effect works on bosses which aren't immune to disease.
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So it will effect some bosses but not all making this talent not that good either.
The best pure tanking build I can think of is the following:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
The one point in shredding attacks is an extra point that I don't really know how to place.
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01/17/09, 11:52 AM
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#1952
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Glass Joe
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Yah I assumed that Predatory Instincts worked in bear too. Now that I read it again, it really only implies cat. Yah totally bone headed the whole post I made.
Is it just me or does it seem that if you wanted to purely bear tank that are talents dont seem distributed correctly?
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01/17/09, 12:58 PM
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#1953
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Night Elf Druid
Xavius (EU)
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Originally Posted by ALZA1
My current UI, heavily enspired by Led++ interfaces.
Solo, no target:

Raid (slacking... ehm i mean getting The Twilight Zone achievement^^):

Addon list:
More space, more hotkeys, more toogle, 2 colors, 1 texture, 1 font, 1 scale (c)
Much work around lua coding here: oUF unitframes, custom made minimap, many small tweaks and addon changes.
Any suggestions and feedback? Would be great to hear it.
P.S. And sorry for cyrillic letters on screenshots :<
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amazing ui. will definately be stealing a few ideas from this! What are you using to show the aura and buttons cooldowns? a modifed omnicc or is there an option within omnicc that allows you to reposition?
edit : got it! just had to modify omnicc
Last edited by sixstring : 01/17/09 at 1:27 PM.
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01/17/09, 4:36 PM
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#1954
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Blood Elf Paladin
Frostwhisper (EU)
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/Agree with Neto tbh
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01/18/09, 12:46 AM
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#1955
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Glass Joe
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I'm at a lost of words for Ele at this point. After Sunwell, it went all down hill. My question about rotations, is that, is it my rotation that I use, my gear or is it ele that makes me almost last every single time on the Dps chart? I mean my guild is top server, so its a competition for the top spot.
My Armory: The World of Warcraft Armory
I run a pretty standard rotation with the FS Glyph that doesn't becomed Consume, the rotation goes:
FS, LvB, CL, LB until LvB is up, LvB, CL, LB until... etc Renewing FS right before the third LvB.
Sorry if this is the wrong place, my question has mostly to do with rotations but yes, thanks for the future help.
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01/18/09, 2:25 AM
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#1956
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Glass Joe
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Well, I am new here and I'd figure I would share my UI. Wasn't sure where to put the MicroMenu bar, so I put it under the map for now.
Addons:
Ag_UnitFrames
Bartender4
ButtonFacade
ButtonFacade_Caith
Chatter
ForteXorcist
MagicRunes
MSBT
Omen
SatrinaBuffFrame
Let me know what you think and I am open for suggestions too.
Last edited by Vysc : 01/18/09 at 2:50 AM.
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01/18/09, 3:45 AM
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#1957
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Death Knight
Detheroc
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Built from the ground up.
Mods:
Pitbull
Dominos
Omen
Recount
NeedToKnow
Quartz
IceHud
SCT
SMM+SexyMap
Elkano's Buffbars
RuneWatch
Fubar
Among many, many others.
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01/18/09, 3:52 AM
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#1958
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Druid
Silvermoon (EU)
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This will be a cross-post in most of the class-specific subforums, sorry if it's wrong place to ask, but didn't find better.
I'm planning to organize pugs for 25-man raids (OS, VoA and possibly Nax) on regular basis and I would like to know stats of your friendly next door DK (dps) that can be useful in a raid. I don't want to be elitist, so let's say the person has already started doing heroics and some 10-man raids, but doesn't have the best gear he can get from it per slot. What stats should I expect from such DK?
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01/18/09, 3:57 AM
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#1959
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Druid
Silvermoon (EU)
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This will be a cross-post in most of the class-specific subforums, sorry if it's wrong place to ask, but didn't find better.
I'm planning to organize pugs for 25-man raids (OS, VoA and possibly Nax) on regular basis and I would like to know stats of your friendly next door Shaman (dps and healer) that can be useful in a raid. I don't want to be elitist, so let's say the person has already started doing heroics and some 10-man raids, but doesn't have the best gear he can get from it per slot. What stats should I expect from such Shaman?
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01/18/09, 3:58 AM
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#1960
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Druid
Silvermoon (EU)
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This will be a cross-post in most of the class-specific subforums, sorry if it's wrong place to ask, but didn't find better.
I'm planning to organize pugs for 25-man raids (OS, VoA and possibly Nax) on regular basis and I would like to know stats of your friendly next door Warlock that can be useful in a raid. I don't want to be elitist, so let's say the person has already started doing heroics and some 10-man raids, but doesn't have the best gear he can get from it per slot. What stats should I expect from such Warlock?
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01/18/09, 3:58 AM
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#1961
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Druid
Silvermoon (EU)
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This will be a cross-post in most of the class-specific subforums, sorry if it's wrong place to ask, but didn't find better.
I'm planning to organize pugs for 25-man raids (OS, VoA and possibly Nax) on regular basis and I would like to know stats of your friendly next door Warrior (dps) that can be useful in a raid. I don't want to be elitist, so let's say the person has already started doing heroics and some 10-man raids, but doesn't have the best gear he can get from it per slot. What stats should I expect from such Warrior?
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01/18/09, 5:33 AM
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#1962
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Von Kaiser
Human Death Knight
Draenor (EU)
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Originally Posted by Sympa
As for you.. well. Grats on not reading my OP or any of the rest of my posts.
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Is flaming the only thing you can do? Sad.
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So, for topic: My UI looks like this: http://deponie.org/wow/WoWScrnShot_011809_113110.jpg
Changed font, love the one obble uses.
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Naeva/Lyn/Haydn
I miss the things I’ve never done...
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01/18/09, 9:05 AM
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#1963
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Troll Hunter
Bloodfeather (EU)
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Indeed... Haha
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01/18/09, 3:46 PM
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#1964
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Death Knight
Aerie Peak
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Originally Posted by Raedix
Of course it's hard to tell from this thread what sort of caps you should be shooting for. That's like coming to this thread and complaining that we're not telling you how to read the English language so you can get the information you need. These things are basic pieces of knowledge that you can get, for example, at wowwiki, or in the class-agnostic mechanic forums. But since you haven't done any research on your own before you ask people for help, you have no idea what you are even talking about. Since I'm a nice guy, I'll answer your questions so you can continue to avoid figuring anything out yourself.
The Defense cap is, indeed 540. The expertise dodge softcap is 6.5%. The expertise parry hardcap is around 15%. The melee special hit cap is 8%. The spell hit cap is 17%. The Dodge cap is around 88%, the Parry cap is around 42%, but you would need an infinite dodge and parry rating to get to the cap, as Diminishing Returns make the cap asymptotic.
The caps you are expected to reach before tanking any raid content are: the Defense Cap.
The caps you should be expected to reach coming out of Naxx25 are: the Expertise Dodge softcap, the Melee Hit cap.
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Thank you. My apologies for breaking the rules.
Last edited by Nefertiri : 01/18/09 at 3:52 PM.
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01/18/09, 4:22 PM
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#1965
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i want to start raiding
I have a mage i have been tinkering with forever now, and am approaching 80. I have never really instanced with her but did do one the other night. My dps was poor (lvl 78 and 763 dps) and would like to know where to start looking to help build my mage? Most of the threads and posts go way beyond where I am at and after a bit have me more confused than ever. Currently I am specced fire and have been exclusively which I'm sure isn't helping my cause.
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01/19/09, 2:47 AM
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#1967
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Glass Joe
Gamil
Troll Priest
Non-US/EU Server
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Originally Posted by Gamil
During trying "Heroic: You Don't Have An Eternity" our druids while catching sparks are complains about "A more powerfull spell is already active" when they trying to recast roots. I do not agree that its becouse of diminishing returns. (druids have DR in PvE only Cyclone and Celestial Focus Diminishing returns - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft )
Nevertheless they very often experience some troubles with recasting roots on their own marked sparks. So they use different ranks of Roots: 6th, 7th and 8th. (no trink procs and SP increase this time)
Can anybody say something about it ? Or say how you hold 4-5 sparks in one point.
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I see, nobody knows about this problem ((( Druids do not have any trinkets procing on SP. And there was troubles with roots recasting.
Done "Heroic: You Don't Have An Eternity" on good luck last week  Get 2 DKs and 4 Druids for this achievment.
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01/19/09, 3:39 AM
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#1968
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Glass Joe
Tauren Druid
Stormreaver (EU)
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Originally Posted by Olddrippy
holy crap, moonkin aren't even close to sucking....read the moonkin for dummies thread and try out the basics.
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The fun thing is... nvm I'll go read it again
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01/19/09, 4:26 AM
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#1969
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Human Death Knight
Quel'dorei
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Hello , I just wanted to comment on thi ice bound fortitude and bone armor nerfs.I know sometimes it seems DK's are op (and mayby they are)but wasnt that supposed to be the point of a heroic class i mean come on.If they get too nerfed i just dont see the point in heroic being there.nerf one but not the other.I think it is too much at once personally.
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01/19/09, 5:36 AM
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#1970
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Glass Joe
Draenei Hunter
Kazzak (EU)
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Question - Why's everyone puttin Raptor by default? - Was it proven to be a best dps pet than a Cat for a Survival/MM Spec?
Sorry if this was mentioned before, tried to search but found nothing
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01/19/09, 6:30 AM
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Stormrage (EU)
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Originally Posted by Mastahshake
Another thing you should focus on is crit. I realize your gear isn't done yet, but it seems to be that you only have around 21% crit in form. The more often you crit (which is why IFF is so helpful) the more mana you regain, thus the less points you have to spend on mana regen talents. I've also noticed you're way over the hitcap, and can probably rethink some of your chants//gems. The hit softcap is 227, so lets round up and say 230. The reason for this is that you've got yourself the opportunity for a friendly neighborhood space cow (thank gods for alliance eh?). The 1% there, plus the 3% from IFF//Misery and the last 4% from BoP is 8%. Include your 9% from ~230 hit and you've reached 17%. You're sitting at 319 hit. You can certainly drop 40-50 hit rating and be almost guaranteed to be above the hitcap.
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Thank you... I'll modify all things following your advice...
To Do:
- change 3 talents point from Dreamstate to Improved Faire Fire
- reduce spell haste (done)
- reduce hit rating from 319 to 240
- increase critical hit
Tonight we'll try Military WIng (normal)... i'll take this raid as test.
Thank you so much...
To add some info about this thread... and to confirm that my actual build is not good for a dps:
yesterday i've done HoL with a good party. All OK except my dps... 1600!!! Not good... I haven't drink any mana potions, no mana issues, but my DPS is become terrible. Probably I've to do something "in the middle" 
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01/19/09, 1:54 PM
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#1972
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Glass Joe
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Ok, and about rotation.
i am use MF, IS, Wrath span, Proc eclipse use SF , Eclipse hi, repeat the rontation initial.
Look my gear and talents in armore and tell me if this is a best rotation, plz.
Atualy i get 4600 on patchwork with this rotation.
Ty.
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01/19/09, 5:31 PM
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#1973
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Rogue
Stormscale (EU)
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Hello! What is generally considered to be the best single-target pve-damage spec right now, and why?
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01/19/09, 10:17 PM
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#1974
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Glass Joe
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I'm basically wondering whether the grasscutter is better than the omen of ruin for a hunter. Like, how much armor percentage does ArP take off per rating point? I have looked on all of the wiki. I think its the grasscutter.
Thanks!
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01/20/09, 6:44 AM
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#1975
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Gnome Death Knight
Blackrock
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Hey mate, nice UI. Any chance you could upload it for me somewhere? Cheers!
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