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Old 01/11/10, 10:36 AM   #11866
Ghorogoth
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Silvermoon (EU)
Originally Posted by Catrity View Post
What is better on an item spirit or crit in 3.3?
In 3.2 spirit was better because we used life tap glyph and 3.2 items has lot of spirits.
No we did not(I didnt and my parses were equal or better). In 3.2 there was an option to go crit/haste or Spirit. 3.3 changed so that the "full out spirit" option is sort of removed and all need to go with crit/haste.

Last edited by Ghorogoth : 01/11/10 at 10:52 AM.

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Old 01/11/10, 10:41 AM   #11867
miloowool
 
Dwarf Warrior
 
Deathwing (EU)
need some help

as you can see here what my dps and damage was on my best try on deathbringer saurfang

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

my armoy link
The World of Warcraft Armory

and im looking for some advice how to upgrade my dps since dps spreadsheet say i could get to around 7.7k dps
but im only getting like 5.8 on a boss where i dont have to move and can bring out my best dps...
so im wonderering where i go wrong and what i can do /get to improve my dps to keep up abit with the rest
cause i alreayd tried out alot of different things atm but it's getting abit to much and kinda lost my way in what was good again and not...so hope some guys can help me out abit and to road to getting a beter warrior again


im using armor pen food and flask of endless rage.
rotation
rend (and as soon as it comes of cd refresh it again)
ms
op
execute
ms
bs

then hitting ms as main proirity over op and execute. as they come of cd and proc.
and using hs if i have long cd and to get ride of some acces rage

Last edited by miloowool : 01/11/10 at 10:47 AM.

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Old 01/11/10, 11:15 AM   #11868
RandyMack
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Bleeding Hollow
I have an idea about changing the spec if you already have an unholy dk providing ebon plague. It would involve giving up points from ebon plaguebringer, necrosis, dark conviction, and bladed armor to get black ice. This also kind of makes me wonder how it would be if black ice was first tier in the frost tree. If someone can crunch the numbers on it and get back to me that would be great.

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Old 01/11/10, 11:34 AM   #11869
duhwhat
Piston Honda
 
Undead Warlock
 
Area 52
Originally Posted by krilz View Post
Yes, but you should at least let it tick once, otherwise it's a dps loss.
I think the point he makes is trying a Drain Soul application as a last ditch effort to keep Corruption up when casting a 2 ish second Shadow Bolt would result in standing in fire, or taking multiple Bone Storm ticks to the face.

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Old 01/11/10, 12:12 PM   #11870
GwnMiike
Banned
 
Human Warlock
 
Frostwhisper (EU)
Originally Posted by Cherri View Post
2616-2368=248, it refers to 2480 SP
Yes, thanks edited it ^^

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Old 01/11/10, 12:20 PM   #11871
Foxxè
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Doomhammer
I specced into MM recently and I am using both DPS spreadsheet & Rawr to choose best DPS gear for the spec. I found that DPS spreadsheet favors crit pieces and Rawr favors ArP pieces. I also did a few test on the dummies and yet I am having difficulty choosing between [Banner of Victory] and [Needle-Encrusted Scorpion] since I am not able to see the procs. Thoughts?

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Old 01/11/10, 12:29 PM   #11872
Valten
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Sargeras
Ghoro - appreciate the long post. I was always a fan of the LT glyph. One thing I'm curious about, if you've done the numbers, is what LT glyph benefits you per immolate duration. For each immolate you get:

15s rotation:
920 damage from immolate (your numbers)
1.2k dmg from 1 conflag, and you get 1.5 conflagsper immolate = 1800

totaly damage gained: 2720 damage.
Let's put this in terms of 40s, the LT glyph duration, > 40/15 * 2720 = 7253 damage

So now the question is with your spirit, does the added spellpower make up for 1 GCD and 7253 damage over 40 seconds?

Now we need to add in all the other spells you'd use over 40s, 2/3s a CoD, incinerates, Chaos bolts, immos and conflags, along with added pet dps from higher SP. If someone wants to do this, great, or else run simcraft just to see...

I'd do the calcs now but I'm on my phone, so maybe layer. Would anyone else want to? It really depends on your gear and fight mechanics. I haven't used destro in a while though, so please take everything with a grain of salt.

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Old 01/11/10, 12:40 PM   #11873
Sheepl0l
 
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Gnome Mage
 
Stonemaul
The BiS trinkets should be Heroic Reign and Heroic Spyglass. If H Reign isn't available to you then it would be Regular Reign and Heroic Spyglass.

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Old 01/11/10, 12:40 PM   #11874
vins
 
Dwarf Warrior
 
Trollbane (EU)
Originally Posted by miloowool View Post
as you can see here what my dps and damage was on my best try on deathbringer saurfang
rotation
rend (and as soon as it comes of cd refresh it again)
ms
op
execute
ms
bs

then hitting ms as main proirity over op and execute. as they come of cd and proc.
and using hs if i have long cd and to get ride of some acces rage
I strongly agree that MS should be prioritized over everything but Execute and TfB Overpower that's about to run out if you have the Execute glyph, because holding off using MS means a dps loss because it has a fixed cooldown.

Now, what I'm wondering about is, if MS can proc Execute, doesn't it make more sense using Execute if Sudden Death is on and MS is available only because MS can proc Sudden Death again, while if you use MS over Execute while Sudden Death is up, you lose that one SD proc.

My guess is that using SD Execute before MS is more damage if MS procs SD again, and a loss if it doesn't, only depends on if you have 40=< rage which means your Execute hits the highest it can and if white swing is about to give rage for the following MS.

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Old 01/11/10, 12:42 PM   #11875
Skullbound
Glass Joe
 
Worgen Death Knight
 
Emerald Dream
Well I'm using 2p T10 with 3 ieces of 232 t9 and I manage to pull 8.8-9k stable dps if I do get my ap where it should be with my gargoyle. My question is should I get 245 T9 and roll with that since it'd be the top dps with 4p? I've been told Runesaber on Arthas has pulled 13k constant with shadows edge and id like to know if that is possible. (On my phone so I can't link an armory)

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Old 01/11/10, 12:45 PM   #11876
Sheepl0l
 
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Gnome Mage
 
Stonemaul
I was wondering if anyone had any info on the optimal time to use speed pots. I used to just use them with heroism but with 2 pc t10 and blackmagic that easily puts me under 1sec casts and wastes alot of the haste. Recently I have just been speed potting before heroism on my first set of cooldowns but I would appreciate any input on the subject.

If this has been covered somewhere please direct me to it. Thanks.

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Old 01/11/10, 1:00 PM   #11877
Badpaladin
Von Kaiser
 
Sparklefairy
Blood Elf Paladin
 
No WoW Account
I've always been a fan of modifiers and keybinds for abilities that perform a similar function:

Offensive abilities not used regularly

E - Hammer of Wrath
Shift E - Exorcism
Alt E - Holy Wrath

Offensive utility

Q - Hammer of Justice
Shift Q - Repentance
Alt Q - Turn Evil

Etc.

The keybinding you mentioned is recommended on paladinschmaladin.com, but I have to disagree mainly because you're using your index finger more than anything else in a setup like that, and that's slightly less efficient. If you're used to having things like CS and DS on your 1-4, then there's no need to fix what isn't broken. You'll have to get used to more keybinds, but spreading abilities like CS, DS, J, and Cons all over your keyboard just doesn't seem as efficient.

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Old 01/11/10, 1:05 PM   #11878
Soher
Von Kaiser
 
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Ragnaros (EU)
Originally Posted by Rumblemintz View Post

E= Judge
R=DS
F=Conc
C= CS
X= Exo
Q= Hammer
M4 = Holy Wrath(to interrupt Shadow Stike)
These bindings seems to be a rather hard to reach for me. Mine are QWES for movements. The primary dps abilities are:
CS : 1
DS : 2
Judge : 3
Consecration : SHIFT-1
Exo : SHIFT-2
Hammer : F1
Holy Wrath : Z. (maybe Y on english keyboard, near T.)

I don't say that mine are superior, but yours seems to be hardy on a movement requred fight, as moving and dancing around fingers isn't really confortabe for me at least.

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Old 01/11/10, 1:33 PM   #11879
meatmick
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Warrior
 
Eonar
Hi, I just have a quick question about feet enchant. I am currently using Icewalker enchant, but I've been told that Tuskarr's vitality is a bit more interesting due to the 8% faster run speed. This came from my GM though he is a mage. I tried searching for an answer but what I get comes mostly from casters.

I also noticed that's what Landsoul has on his boots.

Any info on that?

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Old 01/11/10, 1:48 PM   #11880
Targetdummy
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Executus
Originally Posted by meatmick View Post
Hi, I just have a quick question about feet enchant. I am currently using Icewalker enchant, but I've been told that Tuskarr's vitality is a bit more interesting due to the 8% faster run speed. This came from my GM though he is a mage. I tried searching for an answer but what I get comes mostly from casters.

I also noticed that's what Landsoul has on his boots.

Any info on that?
The Tuskerr's Vitality run speed is by far the best enchant you can get to boost our DoB time (Damage on Boss). If it takes you 8% less time to reach your target then you have removed a good chunk of your "not damaging" time.
But this is arguable with the fact that we have Intercept. This gap closer has a CD and you cant reliably use it 100% of the time you need it. EX: warms in TOC they do 2 knock back effects. Or Lady D going from add to add to boss etc.

This being said, I have grown fond of Heroic Fury and enchant my boots with icewalker. I find myself almost never running out of a gap closer with 2xintercept. But it is arguable, and hard to model.

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