Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 810

Omedus · 01/14/10, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by ayrea

Is there any suggested meta gem list?

Use either the +21 crit/+3% crit damage or the +21 agil/+3% crit damage. One is enabled using just a Nightmare Tear while other provides slightly more crit but requires a Nightmare Tear and a Sovereign Dreadstone to activate.

Tinava · 01/14/10, 11:38 AM

I appreciate the work you are doing with giving us a gear roadmap.

I assume this won't be final until all wings in ICC are released?

Naforce · 01/14/10, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Tinava

I appreciate the work you are doing with giving us a gear roadmap.

I assume this won't be final until all wings in ICC are released?

The only loot missing is the loot from Arthas and Arthas hard mode. When that appears, a more conclusive bis list will be availible.

Zykothepsycho · 01/14/10, 12:05 PM

I can only really see this set bonus being viable on non-mobile fights. When we are moving, we can't cast Lava Burst (obviously) and so we would lose potential time on Flame Shock DoT. A majority of the fights in ICC are pretty mobile, and this set bonus makes us seem more turret-like. We could just refresh the FS DoT while moving and it would basically negate the set bonus. Feel free to prove me wrong, I'd like a 4pc

Infernus666 · 01/14/10, 12:16 PM

Is there a possibility to add Bloodfang Hood to the spreadsheet? If i compare items based on my EP values this one is by far the best level 245 Headpiece for Mutilate, almost as good as T10 which so isn't really worth spending frost emblems for. Sure there are better heroic items, but I'm sure many people using this spreadsheet still wear Bloodfang Hood.

Evilpancake · 01/14/10, 12:39 PM

Ok so i have been a viewer here using the knowledge on this board for a long time but never really had much to add/ask but i have a question about my gear setup atm. Apologies if this is the wrong forum but it didnt really seem a "simple question" type but if it is classified as such i apologize

My Armory is this The World of Warcraft Armory - Varsyth @ Garona - Profile

My question is for gemming. Now i follow the spreadsheet pretty much as gospel and have brought my dps from about 5kish before i started using said sheet to around 8500 on some boss fights. However with the new update to the sheet im having a small issue. Im gemmed mostly +ap as you can see with a few ap/crit, but with the new sheet suddenly its telling me Agi is the prime gem choice, which is fine and i can understand, but i go and change 1 piece of gear (my horrid belt, its a lack of expertise thing is only reason its still there) and it tells me now that ArP is the way to go, change my helm and its Agi again. Now obviously i dont wish to re-gem every time i get a new piece of gear and i realize that the sheet is correct in its recommendation of gem choices, but question is am i gimping myself by staying +AP atm? Or do you think i would be better off just gemming ArP to get ready for the future higher end gear which will end up being all ArP at the end anyway, or would gemming ArP with my currently gear level be even worse than sticking with AP?

Sorry for the wall of text, love the spreadsheets and advice i've gotten here over the years and hope i can get a little advice here this. thanks

Limegreen · 01/14/10, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Evilpancake

Ok so i have been a viewer here using the knowledge on this board for a long time but never really had much to add/ask but i have a question about my gear setup atm. Apologies if this is the wrong forum but it didnt really seem a "simple question" type but if it is classified as such i apologize

My Armory is this The World of Warcraft Armory - Varsyth @ Garona - Profile

My question is for gemming. Now i follow the spreadsheet pretty much as gospel and have brought my dps from about 5kish before i started using said sheet to around 8500 on some boss fights. However with the new update to the sheet im having a small issue. Im gemmed mostly +ap as you can see with a few ap/crit, but with the new sheet suddenly its telling me Agi is the prime gem choice, which is fine and i can understand, but i go and change 1 piece of gear (my horrid belt, its a lack of expertise thing is only reason its still there) and it tells me now that ArP is the way to go, change my helm and its Agi again. Now obviously i dont wish to re-gem every time i get a new piece of gear and i realize that the sheet is correct in its recommendation of gem choices, but question is am i gimping myself by staying +AP atm? Or do you think i would be better off just gemming ArP to get ready for the future higher end gear which will end up being all ArP at the end anyway, or would gemming ArP with my currently gear level be even worse than sticking with AP?

Sorry for the wall of text, love the spreadsheets and advice i've gotten here over the years and hope i can get a little advice here this. thanks

I am: Long time reader, first time poster.

Evilpancake, I would base gemming on what gear upgrades you are going to get. For the most part, combat rogues will eventually stack ArmPen gems based on your current static ArmPen, trinkets and the number of available gem sockets. I would go through the spreadsheet and plug in some future pieces you are looking to acquire and go from there.

Using myself as an example, right now Agility is better than AP for me (barely), but as soon as I get my next piece AP takes over and stays there, so I have left my AP/hit gems in my gear for future use. Find the balance because combat EPs run so close together it can be expensive just to earn 2 extra DPS.

I go on the idea that I am preparing for heroic encounters and plan accordingly. I hope this helps!

Chirality · 01/14/10, 1:03 PM

Originally Posted by Xiphid

Using SW: D as a filler when there is <=1GCD left before you need to start casting VT is a good option. So if your cast time of VT is 1.2, and your GCD is 1.2-1.3, casting SW: D instead of MF2 becomes a reasonable option at around ~2.4s left on VT. Keep in mind this always changes with procs and bloodlust, and you should keep in mind your current VT cast time.

At the very least, SW: D is reliable. MF2 is not.

Evilpancake · 01/14/10, 1:11 PM

Hmm your right, i changed my horrid belt and legs cuz those im going to do soon, but once i put in the 2-3 more items i WILL be getting (only a matter of time, only rogue in 10 and only 1 feral against me in 25's) after like 3 pieces i reach the point of ALL ArP, so it looks like unless im short hit/exp or something its going all ArP from here on out, thanks

Ramskull · 01/14/10, 1:17 PM

Anyone else have any idea as to why my Doll stats are way off after importing?

Limegreen · 01/14/10, 1:20 PM

Originally Posted by Evilpancake

Hmm your right, i changed my horrid belt and legs cuz those im going to do soon, but once i put in the 2-3 more items i WILL be getting (only a matter of time, only rogue in 10 and only 1 feral against me in 25's) after like 3 pieces i reach the point of ALL ArP, so it looks like unless im short hit/exp or something its going all ArP from here on out, thanks

Did you try changing all your current sockets to ArmPen and then back to AP? The thing about ArmPen is that the more you have the better it is (At least until cap). you may find ArmPen to be better in your gear now.

Since you have MJ Runestone, you are looking to achieve 735 static ArmPen (1400 cap - 665 MJ proc). With your current red gems you could get an extra 200 ArmPen, putting you at 723 static Armpen, which means 1388 ArmPen on trinket proc. I definitely recommend you test that in the spreadsheet.

Adioh · 01/14/10, 1:26 PM

is it true that Taiaj has been nerfed so that it cant procc of poisons anymore and if so is the nerf already implementet in your spreadsheet?

Sekkyo · 01/14/10, 1:50 PM

Read the thread before making your first post. It was discussed at length the last couple days.

This is where Aldriana describes what the nerf means for us. There's even more detailed discussion about the nerf prior to this.
http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t39136-c...9/#post1521827

This is where Aldriana tells us why he hasn't updated the sheet yet.
http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t39136-c...0/#post1523126

harrellj · 01/14/10, 1:57 PM

Originally Posted by llargo

Hello,

Can someone tell me what is the addon used for the world map at the bottom right of this screen: http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw31696.jpg

Thanks

Carbonite

DylanV · 01/14/10, 2:14 PM

I was wondering if the EP values for AP and ArP are changed on this spreadsheet due to the recent hotfix to rogues.