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Old 01/14/10, 7:10 PM   #12166
nemrtva
Glass Joe
 
Undead Priest
 
Hellscream (EU)
haste

THANK YOU very much for those haste % tables.

i currently have 714 haste rating (21.77%) which makes my flash heal 1,16 cast. i also have 3/3 talent points in enlightment. i am not a discipline healer, i took 41 holy talents (to reach CoH)

my question is: would it be worth stacking more haste gems in my equipp?

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Old 01/14/10, 7:12 PM   #12167
Aatis
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Death Knight
 
Moonrunner
You're arguing against the use of the blood presence builds here without acually comparing their rotation to your own.

The point of having Epidemic in the unholy tree is so your rotation can be based on a 20 second build instead of reapplying the diseases every rune cooldown. This allows your second set of runes (which should be DDFFUU at the time) to be used on 3 obliterates and any number of Rime procs/frost strikes.

What kind of rotation do you use in unholy presence? I loved the old FS spam 2h builds, but even in blood presence in a 20 second rune rotation I use every rune and most all of the rp generated by it. Reducing the GCD by half a second doesn't have any benefit if you have nothing to do with the extra time.

The other downside to unholy presence is it doesn't add anything to your diseases. In that I mean they tick at the same rate and should always be up, but are lacking the 15% damage bonus.

Last edited by Aatis : 01/14/10 at 7:54 PM.

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Old 01/14/10, 8:03 PM   #12168
DaveTheCripple
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Black Dragonflight
Quick bugging question again, although this was sort of answered, I wanted to check specifically one thing.

If there's ever a time I'm spending one GCD in movement, should I ALWAYS refresh a dot, regardless of time left? (Assuming Typhoon, Trees, and Starfall are on CD of course)

After finishing Putricide last night, I noticed that being the top DPS, I tried always refreshing whenever I had to move (Which was a LOT). Considering I'm topping at around 28,000 mana buffed I ended the fight at around 50% mana left still, so the high mana cost of MF isn't much of an issue.

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Old 01/14/10, 8:06 PM   #12169
fenixprime24
 
Human Rogue
 
Thunderhorn
Black Magic?

So I have been doing some research, and I've been reading about Black Magic enchant being optimal for mut spec rogues, since poison procs count as a nature dmg spell proc. 250 haste on both daggers would be amazing. Is there any validity to these claims?

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Old 01/14/10, 8:14 PM   #12170
Viceversa
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Viceversa
Troll Warlock
 
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why not something like Profiler - Wowhead

More haste, more crit, more raw sp (470), but 300 less spirit which in turn ends up to be more sp.

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Old 01/14/10, 8:18 PM   #12171
Lugia
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Zul'Jin (EU)
Originally Posted by Existana View Post
Does anyone plan to tackle a BiS non-heroic gear and set-up list? Rava expressed if someone were to put together a list, he would consider maintaining it.
+1 I truly agree

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Old 01/14/10, 9:03 PM   #12172
Jeh
Von Kaiser
 
Human Paladin
 
Jubei'Thos
Hey guys, great explanation in the OP and the mod is excellent.
I've been running this on our server for about 5 weeks now and it has gathered steam quickly.
Last wee we walked away with 2332g each, but we got lucky with Solace and a DV drop.
I've noticed people usually go crazy over the trophies mostly, in our run they go for about 3-4k and the anub one goes for 1k higher when people realise its the last one and go mental over it.

Although there are a few oddballs around (check pages 3,4,5):
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> 25 TotC GDKP Run 7.30ST Sunday

Cant wait to do this in ICC on alts when the zone wide buff is in effect.

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Old 01/14/10, 9:17 PM   #12173
Selkech
 
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Tauren Death Knight
 
Silver Hand
Frost DPS

Eh... Keep Plagues up...
Priority order Oblit > BS > Rime+KS > FS > HB

Note that I wasn't recommending that anyone resets their diseases on each rune cooldown.. If you look at the little "simulation" thingy, I mentioned that you are REPLACING your plagues with other abilities using similar runes (HB to Oblit, PS to BS)




Edit: Yeah, damage not affecting diseases does suck. But apparently the buff itself gives me a lot more DPS. WHICH, I will admit, may depend a lot on currently equipped gear. But I'm trying to give ideas and experiences on why Unholy Pres seems to work out, because it does for me.

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Old 01/14/10, 10:07 PM   #12174
Polarwiseman
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Hellfire (EU)
Originally Posted by Viceversa View Post
why not something like Profiler - Wowhead

More haste, more crit, more raw sp (470), but 300 less spirit which in turn ends up to be more sp.
Hey there, doing some quick maths you can work out that Spirit from the original profile gives 567SP (873*0.59*1.1), and from yours 374SP (576*0.59*1.1).

Summed up that brings the original to 3905SP and your profile to 4179SP, however it's worth noting that while one of your trinkets gives a flat +168SP, DFO from the original profile gives its SP as a proc. From this link (Download 222Kb file) you can work out that the DPS value of DFO is about 630, and that at that level of gear haste is rated at about 1.45 (average). Thus, SP = (630 - (170*1.45))/1.5 = 256. This brings overall SP up to 4161 (original) compared to 4179 (new), of course you could always swap DFO into your profile to give 4267SP overall. This is a 106SP difference. Another thing to note is that your profile only gives 13% hit, which is perfectly fine for alliance, but as horde you'd need 14%, which was covered in the original profile. To get the extra hit, you'd probably just swap out SP/Haste gems for SP/Hit, which wouldnt affect the spellpower, but i thought that was worth mentioning.

Overall though your profile does look pretty nice, just thought it would be worth mentioning the trinket thing.

Last edited by Polarwiseman : 01/14/10 at 10:18 PM.

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Old 01/14/10, 10:09 PM   #12175
Charak
 
Human Rogue
 
Blade's Edge
WHy is the mutilate spreadsheet valuing exp high even after the cap?

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Old 01/14/10, 10:37 PM   #12176
xxdrew
 
Undead Rogue
 
Nesingwary
I'll admit, I noobed it up lately and missed the change for mainhands and offhands and poisons until now. I have heartpierce, but nothing really comparable in my offhand. I was using the 1.8 gouge from toc (245) in my offhand, because I wasn't able to get anything fast that's not 232 or lower. I do have the unsharpened ice razor ready to go and enchanted, which should I use, and in which hands?

heartpierce 264 226.7 dps 1.8
gouge of the frigid heart 245 196.7 1.8
unsharpened ice razor 178.9 1.4

my instinct says heartpierce main gouge offhand with dp/ip, just wanted to confirm or deny. thanks.

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Old 01/14/10, 10:51 PM   #12177
Warlocomotif
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Human Warlock
 
Emerald Dream (EU)
Your profile uses lightweave embroidery, which the wowhead profiler incorrectly displays as a passive bonus to spellpower. When you account for that, you have a 218 spellpower difference left, a difference that gets compensated for with trinkets.

Simcraft shows dislodged at 34% uptime, the way it stacks it averages out at 226 spellpower (the average spellpower 'during' the proc is 665.5sp), so it makes up for the lower spellpower with that. Then you're losing a 300 spirit (your secondary stat) for ~45 crit and ~100 haste- not a very good trade. I should note that the proc from reign is worth something aswell, but it's still going to be 300 spirit vs 45 crit, 100 haste, and reign's proc. In case you weren't sure, for demo the spirit definitely wins out in that match up.

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Old 01/14/10, 11:44 PM   #12178
Amante
Glass Joe
 
Human Rogue
 
Korgath
Since the third glyph slot for Combat is pretty flexible, I've been thinking of using Glyph of Slice and Dice, which the spreadsheet shows as a very minor downgrade from Glyph of Eviscerate (-6.5 DPS).

I'm unsure of what rotation to use, however. Back in the TBC days (with the T4 bonus that gave the same amount of extra SnD), I remember you could do stuff like 1pt SnD, 5pt Eviscerate, repeat. Are there better cycles than that now?

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Old 01/15/10, 12:00 AM   #12179
leafy
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Terokkar
Originally Posted by boomtilimoom View Post
I havn't seen this discussed here yet and I've been wondering..

Does anyone know wether Genesis will affect the damage done by Languish?
I'm assuming not, but if it did would this make it worth putting any extra points into instead of Gale Winds/Typhoon/Frenzy?
Gen is a waste of time and effort! you can get something if you go 5/5 but other options are much better!

PS dance with me @ eventide!

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Old 01/15/10, 12:20 AM   #12180
jones4569
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Night Elf Death Knight
 
Eredar
Using the HB glyph will cause you to lose 12.5% damage on your BS/OB, also losing the 20% damage to FF.

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