Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 818

grindbaby · 01/16/10, 12:54 AM

ooh, thanks, will try this out tomorrow, doubt it'll make kill/wipe difference, but every little, etc.

twinte3 · 01/16/10, 2:13 AM

Not certain if this is the right place for these type of questions/recommendations, but I am trying to get a strong grasp on a gear path to take as I and my guild start preparing to get into ICC. After last night, I had a whopping 125 EoT and about 60 EoF (yes minor to what you discuss, but still..) I'm currently way over haste cap and still toting a 200 level Trinket Abyssal Rune.

All that said, my initial path was to upgrade the helm to Mask of Abundant Growth and my pants to Runetotem's Trousers of Triumph to keep the t94pc set. Once I get 60 EoF, I was either going to get the t10 shoulders eliminating the t94pc or replacing the trinket with Purified Lunar Dust.

Again, being my questions are more in the beginning phases, I was curious as to what others thought, and even what their path was when going from Triumph gear to Frost ICC gear.

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Phasmy · 01/16/10, 2:17 AM

Please do not waste your emblems on a HEALING trinket that is inferior to both abyssal rune and the sundial of the exiled.

Shadowfyr · 01/16/10, 3:18 AM

Originally Posted by Rouncer

It's a bit hard to compare the two lists as theirs is off an Orc running JC/Engi, so they are getting the 5 expertise as well as hyperaccelerators and the gem advantages of being a JC. Rava's is a Tauren running LW/Enchanting, so no racial bonus and the profession bonus is limited to just additional AP.

Also their Rawr config is using the Fire Elemental and Fire Nova glyphs which are really subpar for a single target encounter with a duration set up as our current BiS list demands. So I swapped the glyphs to WF and Feral Spirits to help their list out.

Ensidia BiS list - 11929.47
Rava's BiS list - 12223.10

Most of the difference is probably due to Ensidia's list being over the white crit cap by a significant amount when Elemental Devastation is active.

(edit - my dps value for Rava's list is a bit lower then the OP because I run with the sim set to 250-350 latency not the 230-260 specified in the OP. I closed down Rawr/EnhSim before I noticed and don't want to spend the time to reset the config for more runs just to deal with that small variation. Both lists were run with that latency though so the comparison is valid)

Dude that is pretty much one thing I was looking for was a dps differentiation. Now like I mentioned I dont use (kinda dont understand it) Rawr and Enhsim, so I couldnt look at what they were useing for gems/enchants/glyphs etc.

But overall though thanks for that clarification on the information, I just hated that "debate" I had the players that brought this up so I just had to bring it to the community that works their ass's off to keep the shaman informed and i'm pleased with your reply and feel ever so much more comfortable with the information you guys provide.

jwienzveg · 01/16/10, 4:11 AM

So im the #1 hunter on my server. (Cutsman from Frostmane). im ranked 12th overall with a gear score of 5847. I've gemmed entirely arp and can break the 80% hardcap if i use arp elixir or foodbuff. I'm wondering... My dps is nothing impressive. I am always top 2 on the dps charts, but a deathknight has been blowing me away. is there something I am doing wrong? my rotation is ss -> chim -> aimed -> steady. should I not have attempted the arp hardcap? if I am slightly below the cap, say 77% arp is it worth using an elixir of arp over a a flask for attack power to reach hard cap? Also, ive heard rumors about reapplying serpent sting to the boss when i have attack power procs come up. Does this make a big difference? when both my trinkets proc in the beginning of the game, i have 10,000 attack power... should i reapply serpent sting then? any insight would be greatly appreciated.

bumrush · 01/16/10, 5:08 AM

I have run it through RAWR, but yes, testing the gemming is a good idea. Thanks for your input, that helps a lot. My questions have been answered. I guess the chest first, and then the shoulders next.

EDIT:

The correct gems help a decent bit, my new, freshened up build, once i get the proper glyphs adds 700dps in rawr. The logic behind getting the T10 chest is reinforced by what I am seeing in rawr, so thanks again for the guidance.

vellon · 01/16/10, 6:10 AM

I've had several other rogues mention that mutilate rogues should be swapping their slow weapons into their offhands. I've been unable to reproduce these results using Aldriana's spreadsheet. Is there any truth to this swapping of the weapons, and if so why?

If it is one of those swap at a certain gear level or with certain weapons, I have Nemesis Blade (Heroic) Stygian Bladebreaker (Heroic) & Rib Spreader. I'm in mostly ICC10/25 loot.

doulis · 01/16/10, 6:44 AM

How to Affliction at the start of the fight - with [Nevermelting Ice Crystal]
0. Pre-combat Life Tap Rank 1 - spellpower boost, if you have the Glyph, which is still worth it.
1. Pre-combat [Potion of Wild Magic] (5% crit, pre-combat to allow for another potion during Bloodlust/Heroism).
2. Shadow Bolt (Applies 5% crit Shadow Mastery, only need one. First stack of Shadow Embrace).
3. Haunt (Applies 28% glyphed damage boost to shadow. Second stack of Shadow Embrace).
3a. Haunt is travelling now. Gently.
4. Curse of Agony or Unstable Affliction. Which spell you choose here will depend on the fight, your latency, your distance from the target, etc.
5. Activate [Nevermelting Ice Crystal]. Gives you a 5-stack buff that amounts to 20% crit at 5 stacks. Yay. You don't want to activate the [Nevermelting Ice Crystal] until after Haunt lands, because Haunt can crit, and remove one stack of the NMIC's buff (4% crit).
This is not theoretical: It happens! Proc NMIC after Haunt lands if you want the full 20% crit.
6. Corruption. By now, you should have 39% more crit than your base: 9% malediction, 5% potion, 5% ISB, 20% NMIC.
7. UA or CoA, whichever you didn't cast earlier.
8. Rotation.

u can also add Focus magic if u cant have it for all the fight u can ask from a mage if there is on in the raid with focus magic to give it to u for atleast the first 5-10 seconds until u cast your first corruption

StechusKaktus · 01/16/10, 6:51 AM

Originally Posted by jwienzveg

I've gemmed entirely arp and can break the 80% hardcap if i use arp elixir or foodbuff... should I not have attempted the arp hardcap?... if I am slightly below the cap, say 77% arp is it worth using an elixir of arp over a a flask for attack power to reach hard cap?

hi,

i just read this and now i'm wondering... since when is 80% the hardcap for arp? i've never ever heard this?! i'm currently at 87.xx% armor penetration w/o any arp-food/elixiers. and if i change one of my +20arp gems to let's say agi i get less dps according to the spreadsheet, wich encouraged me to further gem arp for every single slot (except one to get the meta bonus).

maybe i just missed something and arp hardcap is really at 80% or i missunderstood your post (i'm german and my english could be better - sorry for that

) but i allways thought arpcap is at 1398 or 100%.

about the other thing you where askin about... i would like to know that too...

i've read many many posts but i didn't quite understand when the best time to apply serpent sting is (prolly due to my english) could anyone please tell me in simple terms when to apply it?
what i understoof was: that anybuffs/proccs will only buff serpent for as long as i don't refresh it (chimera) except for buffs/procs that do a %-dmg buff, wich will, if i reapply serpent then be active for as long as i don't reapply it (chimera will just refresh it).

because then i might not start the fight using my little makro:

/cast Unterdrückender Schuss (silencing)
/cast Schnellfeuer (rapid fire)
/cast Ruf der Wildnis (CotW)
/cast Schlangenbiss (serpent)

i really hope you guys get what i mean. i gave my best to make it understandable xD

best regards
Thark

Oniwasaka · 01/16/10, 7:09 AM

If you read the rest of the post you might get a clue mate

edq28w1982 · 01/16/10, 8:53 AM

Hi,

i am serching for guide for hunter in Yogg Saron fight.I started to play again few weeks ago and my guild want to do Yogg Saron + 0.I know that hunter have an important thing to do in 3rd phase.I know that i need to take agro from some moobs and pull them to myself and then use FD.I heard that there is a macro which can help in this case.Mayby any of You have link to a guide that could help me to be prepered to this fight better?I would be gratefull.

krankster · 01/16/10, 8:53 AM

I will take combat logs of the next raid and provide them for analysis. You are absolutely correct on the overhealing comment. I admit that I only looked to try to find some reason I was so far behind and was hoping to use it as justification.

lucytiff · 01/16/10, 9:55 AM

I tried to use your spreadsheet but it wont work for me it says the files to big to run it so if anyone would like to help me out and do a sheet for me that be great cause i havent played my rogue in awhile just started a few days ago so if you could check my char out and tell me some things that need fixed or do a sheet for me that be great.

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I linked my armory just incase you wanna tell me any fixes cause as of now i do like 3k and i was thinking i could push out more damage. lol

Kennylein · 01/16/10, 10:33 AM

Hi

just wanted to ask if somebody got a BiS gearlist for icc25/10 non-hero.. I played a bit with aldrianas 1.4.3 sheet and got 11507.5 dps with following gear:

Head: Sanctified Shadowblade Helmet
Neck: Sindragosa's Cruel Claw
Shoulders: Sanctified Shadowblade Pauldrons
Back: Vereesa's Dexterity
Chest: Ikfirus's Sack of Wonder
Wrist: Toskk's Maximized Wristguards
Gloves: Aldriana's Gloves of Secrecy
Belt: Vengeful Noose
Legs: Bladeborn Leggings
Boots: Frostbitten Fur Boots
Ring1: Frostbrood Sapphire Ring
Ring2: Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance
Trinket1: Deathbringer's Will
Trinket2: Herkuml War Token
MainHand: Bloodvenom Blade
OffHand: Scourgeborne Waraxe
Ranged: Talonstrike (Heroic)

Gems are 1x 10stats, 1x 10exp/10hit, 3x 34arpen, 16x 20arpen and 22agi enchant on cloak

Does somebody get more? :F

Modacai · 01/16/10, 11:40 AM

Ok, I love the unholy dps, and it works just great, but im having trouble getting in to ICC raids for the recommended BiS gear because they say im not geared. Besides the Sanctified scourgelord armor set, what would be a good set of gear i can use to raid in till i obtain the BiS?