Well it's kinda what I was thinking, but thanks for your reply Oh yeah btw, what about the BoE trinket "Tears Of Bitter Anguish" ? It's 73 passive haste, and 410 haste on proc. I don't know the ICD on it tho.

Does anyone have a non-heroic BiS list for any specs(more specifically destro because thats what I play). I tried to make a BiS list for 0/13/58 which was basically the heroic BiS list that was posted, I just made all the items non-heroic. But I seem to have run into a hit rating problem with that set, which was 305 hit rating from gear.

My protadin has started pugging some ICC 10 mans, and she's a little undergeared. The healers I group with, however, are seriously overgeared, and as such I have very little trouble staying alive; my main problem is with holding threat. I switched to a less conventional build that goes deep into retribution, and I wanted to get some comments on it. It works out very well for me, but maybe you guys have some ideas.

Spec is here: The World of Warcraft Armory

Thank you for making this application. I also liked the RAWR model but found it very inaccurate. I hope you continue with this program.

The 3.1 numbers I was using were:

Stat____ dps _____Normalized
Agi =___1.187_____ 1
AP =____0.3975____0.33
Crit = ___0.791_____0.67
Int =____0.434_____0.37
ArP =____0.641_____0.54
Haste =__0.402_____0.34
Sta = ____0.179____0.15

but, it's time for an update. Can anyone please update the dps-per-stat numbers for the stats listed, assuming an average 5500-ish gs and typical raid buffs? I tried the spreadsheet, but it wouldn't run on my Mac. Many users would thank you for distilling the numbers to their essence.

Hi all , first , sorry for my english (im try to writte correctly but my grammar is simple).

1) build create for goodolarchie , im think that your equipment need more SPI (and Mp5 (IFSR))
i suggest this gear build:
Profiler - Wowhead

its a non heroic build.


2)my preferences in equipment are based on:
-try to make 14/0/57 talent build
-try to use trauma (im got faith in this weapon)
-get haste cap
-try to get leather (but in your guild can get another armors , make a new gear build)

and my results:

Tier10 Heroic (shoulder offset):

Profiler - Wowhead


tier10 Heroic (chest offset):

Profiler - Wowhead

my conclusion is that chest offset is better offset than shoulder

Gear based on Shoulder offset Stats:

healing(tree) 3919
critical 17,68%(307)
haste 35,98%(852)
Mp5(in) 509 + procs + trinkets

Gear based on Chest offset Stats:

healing(tree) 3925
critical 17.16%(283)
haste 36.11%(856)
Mp5(in) 513 + procs + trinkets


my conclussion is chest offset is better (but gear based on shoulder offset is all leather).


Notes:
-im understand that some items are dificult to get. (in my case im lucky and have bolvar's devoution) , but any item can be changed by another similar item and adjust stats by gems.


thanks for opinions.

OK, there are three people who effectively say "it can't be done." Nobody can come up with a single (spellpower) equivalent stat, so that we can evaluate gear/gems/enchants on paper. They say it's impossible or valueless and offer other methodologies to try and get-around the issue (e.g. "just keep changing gear until everything works").

Well, I think the contributers here are a lot smarter than these three give credit and that some bright person can give us a proper analysis. Are healers dumber than tanks? I think not. Show us what u got, Tree of calculation. Relate all stats to an "equivalent spellpower," so we aren't stuck "changing gear until everything works."

The Serpent Sting Glyph for MM confuses me. I use Hawk, Kill, and Steady for my glyphing. The spreadsheet did tell me that i would lose DPS from glyphing out of Serpent Sting but i am unclear how I am losing DPS.

In essence, if i have a 14 sec spell that i Glyph to 20 seconds i understand that but i am refreshing it every 10 seconds with Chim shot. What is the gain by having a glyph on that provides 6 extra seconds of an ability that i am refreshing every 10 seconds?

This one puzzles me.

This is actually a very conventional build. Most tanks go down the ret tree to pick up threat abilities + PoJ + Vindication/Might, if those won't be present from other classes.

If you're having problems with threat, just make sure that you're using the correct 9-6-9 rotation and using SoV for single-target situations and SoC (since you have it) for trash packs. Also tab targeting and putting some threat on numerous mobs helps in trash situations.

I'll give that a shot in a couple of hours, Noraj, and report back. Thanks for your input.

Has anyone done any ICC testing to verify the 10,643 armor? I still see it on all of the simulators but I don't feel like I have seen concrete evidence to support this.