Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 858

Iamnotiangibson · 01/28/10, 8:28 PM

Originally Posted by Lolvok

BiS gear question:
2nd BiS on those profiles would be the non hc versons of the items i guess?

I'd say non-heroic versions of all those items wouldn't provide enough hit, but it still gives you a good idea of what to aim for.

Rijndael · 01/28/10, 8:34 PM

Originally Posted by syrah

I'm in a guild that has an abundance of Resto druids and we just lost two of our regular Holy Paladins. This week has been brutal for us, as one night we had 4 trees, 1 disc priest and 2 resto shamen available to us. Our guild does not have a raiding Holy priest.

I'm faced with the prospect of gearing up a Ret paladin or dealing with recruitment to solve my tank healing problem, but in the meantime I have a forest available to me, and I'd love to be able to convert one of my resto druids into a tank healer, unfortunately I don't have any idea where to start.

Does anyone have experience with being a tank healer in current gear and content? Are there any good resources available that cover this topic?

Paladins are the best simply because of Beacon. If the fight is stationary and has large damage on tanks, no one will match a paladin. The big weakness of paladins is movement, paladins work best if they plant themselves somewhere good and just turret out large heals. Big movement phases (Putricide phase 3) really hurt them compared to druids, since a decent portion of our healing is ticking while we reposition.

Druids have a 'poor man's Beacon' in being able to run full hots on multiple tanks. However to get the big HPS out, druids need to turret nourish casts on a fully hotted target, and swiftmend spike damage. Druid tank healing is inefficient, compared to paladins, your tank healing druids would need to gear more for longevity (int/spirit/mp5) because Nourish is expensive.

Glyphs: Nourish (HPS monster on tanks), Swiftmend (saves you GCDs on tank), Rapid Rejuv (more HPS on tanks).
Spec: something like this. (If you tank heal a lot with Nourish, tranquil spirit is probably a more valuable talent than living spirit, and if you don't raid heal revitalize is pretty worthless.)

In my opinion it is better to have resto shamans on the tank over a druid. Resto shamans can match the druid HPS on one tank, have the inspiration buff, which cuts physical damage substantially, and are a lot more efficient as tank healers. Finally, shamans have the option of bouncing chain heal off tanks onto melees. Shamans are a little less mobile than druids on the tank but their other advantages outweigh this disadvantage in my opinion.

Br0kenghost · 01/28/10, 8:34 PM

Hey all,

(The following is assuming you're Holy)
My question is about the T10 bonus... I have enough badges to buy my 4 piece.. but after reading some of the discussions here, is it worth it? Or should we stick with 2piece T9? (love my two set T9 Bonus) and the T10 4piece seems really terrible and really only good for certain fights. (Blood queen and Twin Valkyr come to mind) and the two piece T10 seems pretty terribad aswell... you get a crappy hot that heals for like 900... SUHWEET! So that is sort of my question. How are we gearing from here?
Thanks all

Pewpewarrows · 01/28/10, 9:23 PM

Originally Posted by Br0kenghost

Hey all,

(The following is assuming you're Holy)
My question is about the T10 bonus... I have enough badges to buy my 4 piece.. but after reading some of the discussions here, is it worth it? Or should we stick with 2piece T9? (love my two set T9 Bonus) and the T10 4piece seems really terrible and really only good for certain fights. (Blood queen and Twin Valkyr come to mind) and the two piece T10 seems pretty terribad aswell... you get a crappy hot that heals for like 900... SUHWEET! So that is sort of my question. How are we gearing from here?
Thanks all

If you use Flash Heal as your filler "whack-a-mole" spell as opposed to Renew, the T10 2pc is basically equivalent to T9 2pc in our parses.

T10 4pc will be amazing on any fight with extremely heavy raid-wide AoE damage, including but not limited to the following Hardmodes: Marrowgar, Festergut, Putricide, Blood Queen, and Sindragosa. Raw HPS increases of the proc used every time it's up in simulations is about 800-900 HPS.

Wonderclam · 01/28/10, 9:36 PM

I'm new to ret pallies. What stats should I go for? I keep hearing different answers.

Ichman · 01/28/10, 10:02 PM

guys, can anyone please help me? >.<

i got a heartpiece on my mh. Since icc nerfs and etc... whats the best 264 dagger, hp or rib spreader? My spreadsheet isnt working i think, because its showing same stats for both, but i heard even 258 frigid is better than hp actualy :\

Sorry for my bad english ><

Kroxy · 01/28/10, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by stormspike

I haven't seen any frost mages put out damage that compare to Arcane or fire since before Wrath what would the point of going frost in raids be?

There isn't one.

husec · 01/28/10, 10:26 PM

Intresting post's and my question was answered thanks guys. If it is indeed true that we dont need to change our current rotation thats awesome but eithen if we did its not so bad really

Ive also had that problem jordancub however its not as bad usually my NIC is off cooldown when the boss hits 30% or so.

Stubway · 01/28/10, 10:32 PM

During my guild's encounter with 25 man Blood Princes this evening, I was targeted with a Conjure Empowered Flame, and I kited to the back of the room and stopped against one of the three red portal images. When the Flame caught up to me, it switched targets and pursued another player without exploding on me. I was unable to test this further, but I have a theory that the red mirrors may reflect Empowered Flames enabling raids to kite them longer.

Meklol · 01/28/10, 10:57 PM

Should I be using reaping or non reaping build?

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Starfire · 01/28/10, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by Br0kenghost

Hey all,

(The following is assuming you're Holy)
My question is about the T10 bonus... I have enough badges to buy my 4 piece.. but after reading some of the discussions here, is it worth it? Or should we stick with 2piece T9? (love my two set T9 Bonus) and the T10 4piece seems really terrible and really only good for certain fights. (Blood queen and Twin Valkyr come to mind) and the two piece T10 seems pretty terribad aswell... you get a crappy hot that heals for like 900... SUHWEET! So that is sort of my question. How are we gearing from here?
Thanks all

I looked at my log from 10 man ICC and for my personally, my Prayer of Mending was overhealing 35% of the time. The lowest (per fight, Blood Queen Lana'thel) was 27% overheal. I thought/think the bonus is amazing on paper, but in practice I am beginning to wonder how good it really is.

I say this, because the 264 pieces all have stat (spellpower namely) upgrades. My 2 piece Tier 10 bonus has been rather disappointing though, it never, ever, averaged more than 2% of my healing, but it was a fairly consistent 1% or so.

wingtjr · 01/29/10, 12:26 AM

hi landsoul. i am following yr gear enchants n JC slots very closely and all is good. except i need to clarify one thing. i noticed u stop gemming +20arpen gems at bout 96-97% arpen. u have replaced them with +10str + 10 cric to get the socket bonus of +4 str in some gear pieces. is that more dps gain than to gem up 100% arpen ?

Pradislova · 01/29/10, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by Docrev

Have you checked to make sure you have the leatherworking bracer enchant selected? That should roughly account for the difference.

*Hangs head in shame*
Now, this is why I drive myself crazy. I remember selecting this when i swapped bracers. I also remember changing a few pieces, and rolling back via Ctrl-Z undo's. I must have went back a step too far. Thank you Docrev! I appreciate the extra set of eyes and the extra brain cells!

And to think, I wasted hours scouring formula after Formula, double-checking gearstats, only to glance over somethign ULTIMATELY simple! Thank you again!

TL : DR -- I noobed it up, and thank you Doc for the help!

tufy · 01/29/10, 2:27 AM

Originally Posted by sykratal

I'm at about 900haste unbuffed, should i go Black Magic or SP to weapon?

Spellpower is the safer bet. Black Magic may be a dps increase in certain circumstances, but if it decides to proc during Heroism/Bloodlust, you'll have a problem.

ousest · 01/29/10, 2:52 AM

Hi i am new to the forums but i have a question on how haste scales to casting time and i would also like to know how to link items on forums.

Also looking with help on a rotation right now with my gear i am told i should be doing about 7k dps i am having trouble doing 6k