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Old 01/29/10, 3:36 AM   #12871
gannonjf
Piston Honda
 
Worgen Druid
 
Korgath
Alright so Moonkin hit cap with Dranei is 237. This is assuming IFF, 2/2 BOP. What would be the actual number with 1/2 BOP and 0/2 BOP?

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Old 01/29/10, 5:02 AM   #12872
ansjos
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Darkspear (EU)
hit raiting?

i have a question though.

As a DW frost tank, how much hit raiting should i go for?

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Old 01/29/10, 5:56 AM   #12873
redpilul
Glass Joe
 
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Troll Rogue
 
Conseil des Ombres (EU)
I searched in different thread but couldn't find a complete answer...

Actually, considering the recent nerfs, how work TAJ? what makes it proc, and what procs from it?
I understood well why it was OP before the nerfs but now, even if I read that it is still good for mutilate, I don't really understand the mechanism anymore...

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Old 01/29/10, 6:20 AM   #12874
Olirum
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Warsong
I am using ForteXorcist too, i am correcting some things to get all I need. The one problem i have seen, is that the Spell Timer for Corruption, Immolation and any DoT is not accurate, I'd like too see the bar dissapear from the screen when the DoT Finish, but it still showing that the DoT is still UP for a while

Well, I'd like to know what glyphs should we use for max DPS today.

Glyph of Life Tap When you use Life Tap, you gain 20% of your spirit as spell power for 20 seconds.
Glyph of Felguard Increases the Felguard's total attack power by 10%
Glyph of Metamorphosis Increases the duration of your Metamorphosis by 6 seconds
Glyph of Quick Decay Your haste now reduces the time between periodic damage ticks of your Corruption spell.

I am using Life Tap, Metamorphosis and Felguard. Should I switch any of those glyphs for the Quick Decay ?

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Old 01/29/10, 6:41 AM   #12875
Magelove
Von Kaiser
 
Human Rogue
 
Kilrogg (EU)
Are you refering to Tiny Abom in a Jar trinket? If so, theres a thread dedicated to it underneath simple questions, simple answers that has the answers your looking for.

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Old 01/29/10, 7:01 AM   #12876
Eknower
 
Gnome Mage
 
Runetotem (EU)
Aggressive style and haste stacking

This's my first post so i apologize for my "noobishness" or something like that.
I've tried to find out an answer to my questions in the posts above but it's an hard work through 138pages!

OK i move on.

1. Aggressive style
I use this style (as first post said) burning all my mana spamming AB during cooldowns stacking at the beginning of the fight and then evocating on last second of icy veins to begin normal cycle ABspam4MBAM with full mana.
This way i use 3 evocations per fight (well on a 5mins base time fight) and if all is plane i got even the hasted evocations.
Now my questions are:
1.1 is the "starting burning phase" good enough to add 1 evocation more to the "evocate only if needed" style?
1.2 is the ABspam the best cycle during cooldowns stacking?

2. Haste stacking and haste cap
I really can't get this concept.
2.1 When haste rating become better then spell power itself?
I read something on a 3k sp limit that once reached haste get more valuable then sp but no math demonstration.
2.2 And let me reorganize something about haste:
Soft haste cap: let's say 850 (don't wanna be too exactly, just to say a "good" haste rating for arcane mages)
Hard cap: it doesn't exist. It's always good to stack haste cause....
....i wanna clarify this even to me:
the "cap issue" is concerning the GCD: if u get more haste rating the risk is to "waste" some haste cause of the 1sec general cooldown. But really how much dps we loose on that comparing with the dps we gain for haste rating on the whole fight??
As far as i understand it's always valuable stacking haste and we need only to manage CDs with the heroism to not waste too much.
Is it right?

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Old 01/29/10, 7:46 AM   #12877
Cepha
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Human Warlock
 
Zuluhed (EU)
During the last few pages I always read reapply corruption at 35%. Does this mean that corruption is still not updated with death's embrace? I thought this bug has been fixed long time ago.

As I am playing Demo for support , I might have missed something?

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Old 01/29/10, 7:53 AM   #12878
Darkon
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Emeriss (EU)
Hi, i have a question about an issue that is bugging me for a while now.
my current dps on static bosses is 8-9k, the problams starts when we raid fights like the proffesor , lady deathwhisper, or any other fight that requiers alot of movment. the dps drops down drasticly to 4-5k.
it wasent as much as anoying if the rest of the melee in the raid would be the same, but thier not, warrs\dk's\rogues -
all doing same dps as they do on static targets.

So i'm asking , is this something i do wrong ? is this just our class mechanics that prevent high dps on non static targets ?

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Old 01/29/10, 8:34 AM   #12879
Dyudyuka
 
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Orc Warlock
 
Разувий (EU)
Good time of day! please tell me what stone should I use if I have 988 haste and 33% crit without buff.

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Old 01/29/10, 8:38 AM   #12880
Gramme
Glass Joe
 
Human Mage
 
Lightbringer (EU)
Originally Posted by Kroxy View Post
There isn't one.
I think it really depends on the playstyle you prefer and where you are in the game. My guild just about manages to get two groups into ICC10 every week, and we have the occasional crack at TotC25 when we can muster the numbers. I raid as frost and given the choice I always would. I don't top the meters very often, but I remain extremely competitive in terms of my colleagues. Because we're raiding on a casual basis and primarily for fun, as long as I pull my weight and enjoy myself, I think everyone is pretty happy.

Effectively I'm enjoying my retirement now. I quit hardcore raiding about four bosses into Sunwell, having done the whole 'five hours a night, five nights a week' thing from Molten Core onwards. My former guild was top 100 globally at the end of vanilla WoW and throughout TBC, so I've done my time with fire specs etc when they were top dog; they always struck me as a bit of a necessary evil. Now I'm in a better place in WoW (for me), and I love the game all the more for it. I've stopped to sniff the flowers, I guess.

I really appreciate the reappearance of a frost thread on EJ. I might not min-max as a mage any longer, but I can still strive for it as a frost mage.

Apologies if this was too damn much blog; felt I had to defend my position.

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Old 01/29/10, 8:40 AM   #12881
dougy109
 
Tauren Druid
 
Tarren Mill (EU)
After coming back to my rogue after more than 5 months, i have just got enough frost badges to purchase the new Herkuml War Token. I am currently running with Needle encrusted scorpion and Mirror of truth as assasination spec.

Am i right to replace the Needle encrusted scorpion with the new trinket?

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Old 01/29/10, 9:27 AM   #12882
Sharkathi
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Magtheridon (EU)
Elemental: The CD of my on-use trinket that gives 700ish SP is ready. I know that Bloodlust is coming up in X seconds.

What's the minimum value for X that makes it better to pop the trinket immediatly instead of waiting for Bloodlust?

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Old 01/29/10, 9:33 AM   #12883
Shammiewow
Von Kaiser
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Eonar
Originally Posted by Rouncer View Post
Stick to these simple principles for gear/gem/enchanting.

1. Hit Rating till you are above the spell hit cap including all raid buffs/debuffs
2. Expertise till you are within 4 expertise rating or less of the dodge cap for your MAINHAND.
3. Hit Rating till you are under the Melee Crit Cap on white attacks including Elemental Devastation and all raid buffs/debuffs. 100 - 24 - miss rate = Melee Crit Cap if your melee crit is higher then that value then you need to reduce miss through hit rating until you are under that point.

4. Add haste or AP at this point through looking at your EP values on a gem by gem basis or just simplify things and stick Stark Gems (20 AP/10 Haste) everywhere except for the blue socket(s) necessary to activate your meta. Use tear(s) in those sockets.

Haste being king depends a lot on which set bonuses you have active so either put in the work or stick to the Stark gems, either way the difference is relatively minor and playing better will matter a lot more then if you have a Quick gem in a slot of a Stark one or a Bright one.
Rouncer, this is very, very useful stuff. Thank you!

I wonder if you could be specific, though, with numbers. Item 1 would be the 368 Hit Rating. However, I'm not sure about Item 3. My Hit rating is 433, which I think is below the Melee Crit Cap, but for me Haste sims as better gemming than Hit. To be honest, I don't understand the whole Crit Cap/Crit Depression thing.

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Old 01/29/10, 9:48 AM   #12884
Sharkathi
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Magtheridon (EU)
Originally Posted by Darkon View Post
Hi, i have a question about an issue that is bugging me for a while now.
my current dps on static bosses is 8-9k, the problams starts when we raid fights like the proffesor , lady deathwhisper, or any other fight that requiers alot of movment. the dps drops down drasticly to 4-5k.
it wasent as much as anoying if the rest of the melee in the raid would be the same, but thier not, warrs\dk's\rogues -
all doing same dps as they do on static targets.

So i'm asking , is this something i do wrong ? is this just our class mechanics that prevent high dps on non static targets ?
You didn't tell us your spec; Going to assume you're Enhancement because the "rest of the melee" bit.
You also didn't tell us what you have already tried to improve your "mobile DPS", so don't blame me if some of my tips are "well, duh!".

First of all, do you have a run-speed enchant? They can make quite a difference.

Also, remember that your wolves can give you a speed buff; keep that in mind when deciding when to use them.

Finally, try to find usefull stuff to do while running, like:
casting a shock
charging Maelstrom Weap before starting to run, then casting the LB while running
Refreshing Lightning Shield
Recasting totems, Magma/Searing in particular
Purging Vampiric Might off a Fanatic
Interrupting a spell

Also, if the fight requires you to stand still outside of melee range for a few secs (e.g. Rotface, any find where you can get turned into "the bomb"), remember that you can still hard-cast Lightning Bolt. Yes, the damage will suck, but it's better then nothing.

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Old 01/29/10, 10:03 AM   #12885
furrymage
Glass Joe
 
Undead Mage
 
Andorhal
Originally Posted by Eknower View Post
I use this style (as first post said) burning all my mana spamming AB during cooldowns stacking at the beginning of the fight and then evocating on last second of icy veins to begin normal cycle ABspam4MBAM with full mana.
1.1 is the "starting burning phase" good enough to add 1 evocation more to the "evocate only if needed" style?
1.2 is the ABspam the best cycle during cooldowns stacking?
In my own testing on a target dummy I saw a significant increase in dps by using ABx4 and then Mbarr (while using 2 piece t10). If I didn't have a proc by the fourth AB I would keep spamming until I did. Employing this during raids has increased my damage both in the burn phase and in allowing me to fish for Mbarr procs by having a less mana intensive burn.
Edit: However, ABspam should be the way to go until you get the two piece.

Last edited by furrymage : 01/29/10 at 10:08 AM.

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