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Old 01/31/10, 1:10 AM   #12991
kejjey
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Shattered Hand (EU)
Confused

I just read up on this thread (was a while since I checked it out), and im getting confused on all the different discussions on haste/crit/mp5. (I will never mention anything about INT since I know it's our best stat by far on everypoint of view)

MY STATS (unbuffed):
2307 Intellect
38,700 Mana
809 (24,67%) Haste rating
42,59% Holy Crit
2744 Spellpower

I know the gear softcap on haste is 676, and I've understood that at this point you reached GCD. The haste is now only affecting your HL (which is still good?).

My first question now is: At a point were you have like 800+ haste is it ever worth replacing haste for mp5. By this I mean like replacing some gear for crit/mp5. Like going from 809 haste to 676 and gaining from 180 mp5 to 280? for example.

I came back from a long break a couple of months ago and still though in the terms of prio haste/crit gear before any mp5 stat. Ranking them like this 1. haste/crit, 2. haste/mp5, 3. crit/mp5 and now I see this list is abit off. I understanding from reading up on thread and so on that mp5 is a better regen stat then the mana return from illumination (crit), but but...

Shouldn't we still think of putting out big heals on the tanks? never critting a HL wouldn't feel that safe. Ofc NEVER is exaggerating, I'm at 42,59% Holy crit so there is no problem dropping a couple % on crit but replacing the full gear for mp5 is it really worth it? I've been abit unlucky with the trinkets so atm i'm not using any regen trinkets (Solace/Metorite Crystal) is the owns im aiming for and next in line to get, so hopefully I have them anytime soon, but but...
Since I don't have any experience from this trinkets other then reading about them could these 2 trinkets togather add up on the regens needed? or should you still focus on going for more regen rather then throughput?

I know shamans have a small program/addon that looks into logs to determen which stat is the most usefull one (hep), I tried to find something simulare for paladins but without luck. Anyone know if there is something like this for us?

And last I would like to know if anyone have some experience/feeling of the new ICC 10/25man heroic encounters from the PTR. From the feeling I got from the normal ones is that it's very mana intence and I would cry if I had better regen, insted of having to plea 1 extra time at a "bad" point. Which is making me thinking of how crazy the HC fights will be.

If someone could help me clear this out I would really appreciate it!

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Old 01/31/10, 1:14 AM   #12992
sykratal
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Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Kel'Thuzad
i'm at 900haste should i enchant my weapon SP or black magic?

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Old 01/31/10, 2:47 AM   #12993
Tempest Maul
 
Human Death Knight
 
Stormreaver
Frustrated

I've read EJ guide to unholy DK's a million times, I've looked at other sites as well. I can only do barely 4k dps on it. I've tried just about everything rotation wise to boost this, but it's not working. I have 2p T10, multiple pieces of other ICC gear and I feel i should be doing a lot more than that. I get better dps from the non reaping rotation than the reaping rotation I can hit 4500 dps on the dummy with that rotation. Any help here would be appreciated for this noob. Here is my link to armory The World of Warcraft Armory - Tempestmaul @ Stormreaver - Profile

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Old 01/31/10, 3:20 AM   #12994
PKainus
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Spinebreaker
Originally Posted by kejjey View Post
My first question now is: At a point were you have like 800+ haste is it ever worth replacing haste for mp5. By this I mean like replacing some gear for crit/mp5. Like going from 809 haste to 676 and gaining from 180 mp5 to 280? for example.
You'll want to replace your SP/haste/crit items with SP/MP5/crit if you're trying to hover around 676 haste. I'm a big fan of hovering around 676, because I, personally, feel it's plenty of haste. Most paladins will tell you to always ignore crit/MP5 items, but like I said, 676 haste is plenty for me, and I'd rather get more mana regen.

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Old 01/31/10, 3:26 AM   #12995
redeemerx
 
Orc Warlock
 
Cho'gall
Hey all, I havn't seen any posts about this and I am interested to know if anyone with a 4piece tier10 has actually tested this - apparently our 4 piece set bonus doesn't increase our pets damage at all which is kind of worrying for me since I am a demo lock and my fel guard represents a big chunk of my damage. I am not sure if I understood this correctly but bliz is also unsure of how to fix the bug and hasn't promised a quick hotfix any time soon.

heres the link: MMO-Champion BlueTracker - Warlock t10 4pc bugged

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Old 01/31/10, 3:27 AM   #12996
k3x
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Mal'Ganis (EU)
Originally Posted by redeemerx View Post
Hey all, I havn't seen any posts about this and I am interested to know if anyone with a 4piece tier10 has actually tested this - apparently our 4 piece set bonus doesn't increase our pets damage at all which is kind of worrying for me since I am a demo lock and my fel guard represents a big chunk of my damage. I am not sure if I understood this correctly but bliz is also unsure of how to fix the bug and hasn't promised a quick hotfix any time soon.

heres the link: MMO-Champion BlueTracker - Warlock t10 4pc bugged
Dude

There is a bug where the pet is not always receiving the damage bonus from the 4PT10 warlock set. We are going to fix it.

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Old 01/31/10, 4:45 AM   #12997
Tankyah
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Death Knight
 
Hellscream
Originally Posted by Tempest Maul View Post
I've read EJ guide to unholy DK's a million times, I've looked at other sites as well. I can only do barely 4k dps on it. I've tried just about everything rotation wise to boost this, but it's not working. I have 2p T10, multiple pieces of other ICC gear and I feel i should be doing a lot more than that. I get better dps from the non reaping rotation than the reaping rotation I can hit 4500 dps on the dummy with that rotation. Any help here would be appreciated for this noob. Here is my link to armory The World of Warcraft Armory - Tempestmaul @ Stormreaver - Profile
I had the exact same issue. I ditched the reaping build and 2pcT10 and went back to 4pcT10 and non reaping built and am happly pulling 6k in Heroics again Hopefully more in ICC this week. But I found the 2pc with reaping to be horrible. That could be that even though I have a few pieces of 264 gear I also had neck and belt of 226 so my gear level probably averaged out to below par. But I'd suggest going back to 4pcT9 and non reaping if the others are showing dismal results as well.

Tank

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Old 01/31/10, 5:42 AM   #12998
wibbles
 
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Orc Death Knight
 
Cenarion Circle
Wow is all I can say. Lots of information here

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Old 01/31/10, 6:21 AM   #12999
Kraftwerk
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Neptulon (EU)
I have been looking through the thread Best Possible DPS in Shandaras WotLK Spreadsheet and tried to search for the current BiS for non-HC items but I can't find it. If there is one I would really appreciate to get the link.

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Old 01/31/10, 9:21 AM   #13000
rbsk210
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Stormrage
hi i was wondering if anyone has figure out a good rotation for saurfang fight in icc i have been useing blood spec
Glyph of Dark Death Rotation
IT-PS-HS-HS-DS -Dump- DS-HS-HS-HS-HS -Dump-
and swaping out HS for Blood Strike so i wouldent pull aggro on the adds but it drops my dps dose anyone have any better rotations to do for this fight and i'm have some trouble with finding the best place to put raise ghoul in my rotation
thank you

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Old 01/31/10, 9:37 AM   #13001
Kaacee
Don Flamenco
 
Kayc
Dwarf Priest
 
No WoW Account
Are there any non-AH/JC ways of making a decent amount of gold? Specifically, I am wondering if it is worthwhile to keep my gathering professions? I've made a little money on my tailoring/enchanting, but it requires constant undercutting, and I am looking for alternatives.

Thanks!

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Old 01/31/10, 10:09 AM   #13002
Jarin
Von Kaiser
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Runetotem
Originally Posted by Qio View Post
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

I got 4T10 after Saurfang last night. That's a log from our 10 man icc (+Trauma)
Thanks, Qio. Very interesting parse for those of us still trying to figure out what to do to make optimal use of our Frost badges. If you get a 25 man parse, please post it.

What I'm seeing so far from the Shaman_hep output that Stassart put out and the two 4pc parses seems to indicate that in almost every case 4pc t10 is stronger than 2pc 10 and 2pc t9. Even on the LHW spam fights Qio it was pretty close, and in those cases I expect the extra t10 stats will outweigh the difference (though of course we'd need to do the math). Bottom line.. it seems like holding on to these frost badges to build out t10 seems like it is likely more optimal than burning them on the belt / boots / cloak right now. Can't wait until we have a few more results and can do the math to back that up.

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Old 01/31/10, 10:33 AM   #13003
Zantir
Glass Joe
 
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Human Death Knight
 
Eldre'Thalas
Originally Posted by Tempest Maul View Post
I've read EJ guide to unholy DK's a million times, I've looked at other sites as well. I can only do barely 4k dps on it. I've tried just about everything rotation wise to boost this, but it's not working. I have 2p T10, multiple pieces of other ICC gear and I feel i should be doing a lot more than that. I get better dps from the non reaping rotation than the reaping rotation I can hit 4500 dps on the dummy with that rotation. Any help here would be appreciated for this noob. Here is my link to armory The World of Warcraft Armory - Tempestmaul @ Stormreaver - Profile
You should be pulling more than 4500 dps. As has been said on this forum many times the target dummy is a poor estimation of your potential dps. Any fight that has lots of movement will greatly lower your dps, but you should be doing over 4500 on tank and spank fights like Saurfang. Your gear score is a little better than mine and I have far from the optimal gear and do about 7k dps on Saurfang .

Your dps for the Lord Marrowgar, Lady Deathwhisper, Gunship Battle, Professor Putricide fights for example will be below your top potential dps.

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Old 01/31/10, 10:34 AM   #13004
Mishi
 
Tauren Druid
 
Eredar (EU)
Hi guys,
yesterday I downloaded Ovale and upgraded it with your script 2.7b.
But ingame I get always a Lua error of the Ovale addon. It's the newest version from curse.com and the newest script.
How can i solve this problem?

thanks

greets

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Old 01/31/10, 10:37 AM   #13005
diospadre
Hero of the Horde
 
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Undead Warrior
 
Mal'Ganis
DPS on Dummies doesn't matter. If you're only getting 4k DPS in a raid then push your buttons harder.

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