28.01.09 - Did something changed today ? I try since few hours to get a good timed Abarr after AM but no way. There are two reasons, my connection isnt simply to bad or blizzard changed something. If anyone could confirm that clipping isnt fixed would be awsome.

greetz

Could anyone please confirm that the effect with Abarr before the 5th AM still is using the 3 X AB debuff stack ? Becaue I realy dont get it running, even if I use ABarr after the 3rd AM ... no using of this 3 x AB debuff stack.

Thanks Choh, that explains all . I would say Arcane needs to be rethink, without that clipping bug it will loose heavy on power.

the best 2.2 hours ever! thanks

Former BM hunter who has jumped on the SV bandwagon post-patch. I always wanted to play SV put couldn't justify the lowered DPS to the guild (plus I frankly found from a couple short forays into the spec that I was intimidated by all the things I had to do).

I'm enjoying the spec but there's no doubt it is more challenging to play well than BM was.

My gear is not nearly as good as most of the guys that write here, but I thought I would share a couple of things I've 'discovered' thus far. These are all my personal opinions based on personal experience...not to be confused with the excellent in-depth research that some provide here. But my intent is to help those who are also moving from BM to SV.

First, remove Arcane Shot from your hotbar...it's probably a mistake to use it (a mistake also to spec into improving it, imo).

I do use a macro for those fairly infrequent times I can stand still and shoot. It is simply ES-SS-SS. I've found that at my lag-rate this seems to get ES up fastest.

I have tied KS and KC to all my shots (perhaps this is a mistake, but it seems to work nicely).

I try to keep Serpent Sting up manually, usually with a pretty fair success rate.

I manually apply ES after a LnL proc, sometimes just timing the next ES, sometimes inserting an Aimed Shot between them. I tried many different macros for this, and concluded that manual is best.

I'm a guy who loves to watch the action...I get a kick out of seeing the other toons' animations, and I like the feel of the fights. Because of my desire to watch the screen as opposed to watching timing bars, I struggled with a few different ways of tracking LnL (when I first switched to SV I missed half of the LnL procs...I was overwhelmed with all the stuff I had to do). Anyway, after experimenting with several different timing bars, I settled on EventAlert (sorry, don't know how to link, but it's on Curse).

EventAlert is very lightweight and offers only one thing for hunters: the LnL proc. But to me the best feature is the audio alert it sounds. It's customizable and a Godsend for people like me who have too much to look for already. I have mine set to give a pirate "YARRR" when activated, and it's pretty hard to miss...and funny as hell too.

Glyph-wise I use Serpent Sting, Steady Shot, and Hawk. Talent-wise I chose sniper, figuring I can still trap to my heart's delight with it (certain bosses make this very convenient), but if I can't trap easily I go max range and benefit from the talent.

I use Cheeky's/Shandara's spreadhseet. Every decision I make is based in large part on what that spreadsheet says; my sole exception atm is my selection of Trap Mastery, a nod to my PVP side.

I switched from a cat to a raptor (based on the spreadsheet), but interestingly my first use of the raptor resulted in exactly the same amount of DPS (Nax25) as the cat provided.

Again, this is just a recount of what I've found as I try to learn SV. Your results may vary.

My thanks for the intelligent conversation I have found here.

Ah, I forgot to mention... I am a mage!

Btw, anyone got a pricelist of how mutch JC items should cost at AH?
So I can check if it is worth to lvl JC+mining at my server.

And since I will mostly do PvP.
As a JC u dont need to be a hardcore raider to get recipes etc?

Ahhhh... so that's the issue. Good to know that. Thanks.

I agree sort of. This thread is more of finding whats the best DK dps. Currently it seems there's a bunch of ties, so going any route will be just about good. However, once we find out what is that OMFGROFLTOPDMGSPEC (LOLUSEDTOBE BM FOR HUNTERS) then I can safely say 90% of us are going to spec it, and this thread will turn into how to play that spec .

I realize its not hard for people who have time to come and read through every respective dk thread, but for the newbies who are TRYING to learn and who don't have time, we might as well try to help .


I myself am trying a crapton of specs. I'll post something once I break 3.5k raid dps again . (Might be my 25 man makeup. It's pretty fail.)

All of this can be answered with a few wowhead searches.

Is it profitable to prospect ore? Check your AH for Saronite and gem prices, then check wowhead for the prospecting tables. Specific prices from other servers will never help you, as you have to look at the whole picture.

Do you need to be a raider to get JC recipes? Check wowhead for the source of recipes.


By the way, you should probably re-read the forum rules if you don't want to be infracted for your posting style.

much appreciated, i seem to remember a few versions back it appeared to be ranking it accordingly....guess somewhere it got mixed up..


cheers

Thanks for clarifying, you've been a great help.

iv been doing zg for 3 resets now

first and second reset i specced bm tanking spec and pet tank

first reset i did bloodlord and tiger solo and rest with a friend druid

second i did all solo(expect for jindo cba)

3rd time i cba respeccing did it all as surv and pet on dmg spec(as though but doable)

only 3rd time i used 2t5sp the 2 first clears i used my normal gear



few points:

bloodlord is the easyest:

u jump on the second stair of the pyramid that way u cant take any dmg ur healing will pull the raptor on u and he evades so u can ignore him completly all u gotta do is make sure u dont overaggro ur pet(or ull get ported down) and keep ur pet alive.


tiger boss:

first of all clear the area around unlike the OP
pet tanks all, mana drain shaman
stay maxed ranged their dps output can be nasty and some point the gouge is ur healing break its gives ur pet enough time to get 3 ticks of mend pet which is well more then enough rest is trivial stay alive stay with low aggro and keep ur pet alive

panther boss was by far the hardest, as bm was alot easyer then as surv but was still doable as surv:

let ur pet tank her at the entrance u gotta burst her down as fast as u can stand close to ur gorrila so unless ur marked the thunderstomp will peel them off u
whenever ur lose enough hp finish the tigers that are alive, fd(make sure ur far enough not to eat teh boss's ww's) the panthers will stop coming to u(they will keep spwaning) when its clear u get up bandge fast ull finish it before the first 1 comes.
aoe them all down and go back to boss bursting.
its not an endurance fight, i tried it doesnt work u gotta burst her down asap before ur 2 low on hp(the bandges wont outheal the dmg they will jsut buy u more time).


jindo is easy but boring he doesnt buff hakkar so u dont have to do him:

clear abit so u wont pull adds u dont use ur pet here.
start fighting him either melee him down and use immo traps or try running around and shooting(2 much work) every 15 secs or so he will use mc totem which will mc u, cuz theres no more hostile targets u will evade and gain full hp he will and then jindo will start evading first stage the totem will despawn that second u have to get aggro back on him before he gets his hp back
rest of the fight is just boring shit



mgt heroic: i managed to do first 2 bosses easly as bm and surv the 5man 3rd boss was hard as hell(was bm had shaman,fury,rogue,warlock and ofc the priest) my best try was downing the 2 healers the prob is they have no damn aggro so most of the time they ignore the pet and go straight for me
since then im doing it every day for the mount with a guildy

sorry, bit early in the morning, still a bit tired.


last night did patch, averaged 7-8k tps


im not saying im some god of this game, ive only been tanking for about 3 weeks.



im merely speaking from personal experience, as being someone that has played this game since day 1.



flame me all you want, i really dont care. i'll try getting more expertise, to see how much of a difference it does in fact make.



i dont do math, and base EVERYTHING off number crunching. im oldschool, i merely base my opinions off my own personal experience.

sorry i come from a time when theorycrafting wasnt around. i played hardcore pre-bc, and had many server firsts. then i went to go serve my country in the airforce, since coming back, ive gotten back into hardcore raiding, and just play to enjoy the game. so im sorry, i value serving my country, and taking care of actual rl situations, then bothering with all the theorycrafting; i leave that to you "pro's"



so im not a genius like the rest of you. ;(

yeah, you've got a point there.
I haven't tried it yet, but I'm itching to do so now.

i am new to SV as i am sure many are. i have read though many of the posts on timing for ES during a LnL and it seems like there are 2 main answers.

1) add a SS between the ES's
2) wait 2s before casting the next ES

the second has higher theoretical DPS but has the risk of not waiting long enough and clipping a tic of ES or waiting too long and wasting time.

so, would the following macro help reduce the problem of clipping a tic of ES?

/castsequence reset=2 Explosive Shot, Steady Shot

the idea is you try to time it. if you go to early, 2 sec reset time has not expired and you cast a SS thus not clipping the last tic of ES.

i thought about this on the way to work so have not had the chance to test it. i know the reset=# syntax is often confusing in that it is the time between executions of the macro, not the time since the castsequence started with the first cast.

Gracchus,

I couldn't help but notice that the Engineering positives lacked the ammo creation ability. The +20 dps over regular lvl 75 ammunition is a huge bonus in my mind, and also isn't that difficult to come across. As long as you have mining (and you should if you're engineering) then you can grind out enough mats for a 28 slot ammo pouch/quiver in less than an hour. This is like adding an extra +20 scope to each shot!!

Edit: Also has anyone found Aimed shot to be more useful than multi. in their shot rot. while trapdancing? And as to shot rotation, what is everyone using as an optimal trapdancing shot rotation? There seems to be some conflicting ideas.

Just wanted to say thank you for the Time and Effort put into this guide.

I have considered myself a decient Raid Warlock (I suck at PVP). Lately I was having trouble with my dps and couldnt figure it out. I was hearing stories of Warlocks hitting 5200 dps on fights and I was like How. With this guide and the information provided I went from pulling 3400dps to more than 4800 dps. I managed to Hit 4872DPS on Lothab without killing spores (earned the achievement) and pushed 4700 on patchwork (had a couple of dot lapses)

Again thanks

Vladamier
Warlock-lvl 80-Eredar
Whiskey Brigade

Good discusion

@Mcinaction intentionally evade bugging adds during boss encounters is considered an exploit and is a banable offense. I wouldn't suggest doing the fight that way.

Could you check my armory and tell me where i'm wrong?

Hello fellow death knights. might be on the wrong thread but here it goes.

ive been checking around this forums for specs and info. and now ive gone 33/38 ( 32/39 but with deathchill instead of crypt fever) which i do like. but im only getting like 4.7k dps on patchwerk. and i dont think ive got too many upgrades to get, and seeing some ppl pushing the 6k dps, im thinking i must be doing something wrong.

my rotation is:
PS-IT-BS-BS-HB-RP(usually only 1 dc)
PS-IT-IT-IT-HB-RP untill the rune for PS is ready again. then i repeat.
im using blood presence, pet always up and garg as soon and as often as i can.

ive seen ppl talking about the "old" and "new" 32/39 rotation but havent found any info on thease and whos what.
so i was just asking for some tips on rotations/stat changes.

Heres my armory link: The World of Warcraft Armory

Melodium, how is your guild's DPS?

all (without a single exception) of the 5.5k + WWS's that have been posted are for fights that are at the most 3 minutes 30 seconds. This is because it comes from already successful guilds, rather then learning guilds.

As a result, spells like Heroism/Bloodlust and other cooldowns are up for pretty much 30-50% of the fight, AoTD alone provides a large DPS boost in these screencaps. When a fight lasts 3 minutes, and you use a trinket that lasts 20 seconds, you basically have the effects of that cooldown/trinket for a good 15 % of that fight, and Heroism is up for a good 30% of it.

So you can see how this would make your dps (for that fight only) seem higher then average.