Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 884

Emeraude · 02/04/10, 2:31 PM

Originally Posted by Oliria

We finally downed Blood Queen today, and I did the quest as described. Ran in and got hit by blood-mirror, that gave me the debuff Gushing wound. I got bitten as the first after random bite target. During the fight I bit 3 people (obviously) and checked I had 3 stacks of Gushing wound. However I did not complete the quest after slaying her, noone died during the encounter.

I have submitted a ticket to blizzard, but I was wondering if anyone else had noticed this?

If you still had the Gushing wound debuff you didn't bite enough people. The debuff goes away on the final bite.

Recab · 02/04/10, 2:42 PM

You are correct Quiks, but it still provides such a nice raid boost that it will always be your top priority as a warrior.

Oliria · 02/04/10, 2:49 PM

How can I not bite enought people? the debuff had 3 stacks. Do I need to be the "very" first person to get bitten, the person that she bites? We had a hunter get her bite, and he bit me the first time then. I bit 3 people (war, rogue, mage) and had 3 stacks of gushing wound. Do you need to bite 4 people?

Emeraude · 02/04/10, 2:59 PM

You run in, and you get hit with blood mirror, this gives you the gushing wound debuff (1).

Random person gets bitten, 1 person infected

Random person bites you, 2 people infected

You bite person 1, you get gushing wound debuff (2), 4 people infected

You bite person 2, you get gushing wound debuff (3), 8 people infected

You bite person 3, your gushing wound debuff goes away and the sword is empowered, 16 people infected, sink or swim.

Not sure where or if you messed up somewhere, it's possible you weren't the first person bitten by the random person who got the first infection.

Oliria · 02/04/10, 3:06 PM

I was the first person to get bitten after our hunter, I've submitted a ticket it must be a bug. I bit 3 people (our fury war, 1 rogue and 1 mage) There's no way I could not have. We took her down 10 sec prior to enrage, so I would have become mindcontrolled if I hadn't. But it's obviously a bug and I'll contact blizzard. We had some lag aswell.

P.S I just remembered that I had 1h+shield on while biting the first person, this might be the reason?

Emeraude · 02/04/10, 3:11 PM

Originally Posted by Oliria

I was the first person to get bitten after our hunter, I've submitted a ticket it must be a bug. I bit 3 people (our fury war, 1 rogue and 1 mage) There's no way I could not have. We took her down 10 sec prior to enrage, so I would have become mindcontrolled if I hadn't. But it's obviously a bug and I'll contact blizzard. We had some lag aswell.

P.S I just remembered that I had 1h+shield on while biting the first person, this might be the reason?

Yes, that's the reason. You need to have Shadowmourne out.

Scottig · 02/04/10, 3:14 PM

Hey quick question is there a list of the BiS gear and there combination? Hard to figure out if I should go for 4pc or just 2pc. Also Aldriana why do you think blizz continues to nerf rogues yet were behind Mages, Hunters, and Warriors? no love for the rogues

Oliria · 02/04/10, 3:17 PM

sigh, this quest is gonna be the end of me. Thanks for your help

Tinwhisker · 02/04/10, 3:22 PM

Originally Posted by Oliria

P.S I just remembered that I had 1h+shield on while biting the first person, this might be the reason?

Remember, the gear you wear cannot in any way mitigate the damage you take as the "blood mirror" target. As long as you have enough HP to handle a hit or two (minimum 30K health), you'll be fine. If you're that worried, having a healer blow a cooldown on the tank (not on you) for those transitions in the beginning isn't a bad idea.

Jaron · 02/04/10, 3:22 PM

Based on my race and professions... 4pc is pulling head by 34 dps of 2pc. Of course, depending on your professions and race this changes. For instance, I am getting 13506.3 with 2pc and 13540.7 with with 4pc. I am human with enchanting and engineering as professions. It gets really shaky towards the very top end of gear because of crit capping issues. So depending on your profession might depend on if 2pc or 4pc is better; however, they are both extremely close so I would go after whichever you get first.

Regarding the second part of your post, not really sure what nerf you are talking about; but I am not behind mages, hunters or warriors. The only people that come close to rogues at the moment is warlocks (this is all based on the WoL reports from my guild, so this could change depending on guild), but by far... rogues are not behind. You should be topping meters.

Scottig · 02/04/10, 3:32 PM

Thanks for the input Jaron any chance you could send me your Spreadsheet? With my gear best i can get is around 11.3k dps and my gear is mostly ICC25? and were behind by a good bit according to World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis - click on 25 man -

I input your gear into the spreadsheet and I'm getting around 11.3k am I doing something wrong here?

Oliria · 02/04/10, 3:32 PM

Originally Posted by Tinwhisker

Remember, the gear you wear cannot in any way mitigate the damage you take as the "blood mirror" target. As long as you have enough HP to handle a hit or two (minimum 30K health), you'll be fine. If you're that worried, having a healer blow a cooldown on the tank (not on you) for those transitions in the beginning isn't a bad idea.

It had nothing to do with bloodmirror, it was during airphase I normally shield wall the first one to be sure. That's when I bite the first target aswell.

Ballistae · 02/04/10, 3:35 PM

Originally Posted by Ossein

Regarding Sunder Armor and Armor Pen

Sunder Armor reduces armor, and Armor Pen ignores it. How do these interact? This is more of a general question, than specifically about my DPS/play or anything. Say we have a boss with 100 armor, and Sunder reduces it by 25. A warrior with 100% ignore armor would now be ignoring 75 armor, rather than 100. How does this not lead to a DPS decrease(since you are technically ignoring less armor). I'm probably missing something here.

Edit: clarity.

You are missing something. The armour reduced by Sunder Armor and Fairy Fire is taken from another pool than the armour reduced by Armor Penetration. In other words, a 100% Armor Penetration isn't actually reducing the enemy's armour with 100% and Sunder Armor is always worth it.

starfreak · 02/04/10, 3:44 PM

Everyone please thank this noob ret pally for letting me realize that forum posting is stupid and pointless because there will always be moronic trolls that will discredit good knowledgeable information and that I've wasted my time making a presence to try and answer some questions. Peace.

Jaron · 02/04/10, 4:10 PM

With my current gear, yes... that is correct. It was to my understanding that you are looking for a BiS list, correct? The list I used to get the 13540 dps mark was:

t10 head/shoulders/chest/legs, sindragosa's neck, vereeesa's cloak, toskk's bracers, aldriana's gloves, astrylian's belt, frostbitten boots, frostbrood and ashen exalted rings, deathbringer and tiny abom trinkets, havoc's call, scourgeborne axe, and fal'inrush.

With my current gear I am sitting at about 11311.2 in the spreadsheet.