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Old 02/05/10, 5:00 PM   #13306
Mortejn
 
Dwarf Warrior
 
Turalyon (EU)
Just picked up Shadows Edge today and have been spending the last our trying to figure out which ones to use?
The three weapons i have; Shadows Edge, Bryntroll and Justicebringer (not the heroic one >_<)

Which one should i put where? MH/OH? Going mental soon, really have no idea.

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Thanks,
Mort

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Old 02/05/10, 5:24 PM   #13307
Jadeddragon
 
Draenei Paladin
 
Mug'thol
As far as I have been able to see there isn't a BiS list for 10m normal or heroic. Is there any chance that you could make one?
Also, when is it proper to start gearing with agi over str? From what I have read through this forums and others str was always better then any other stat given that you have the hit/exp cap met.

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Old 02/05/10, 5:49 PM   #13308
jordancub
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warlock
 
Blackrock
Hmm, I switched a bit of gear around and now all of a sudden Spirit outweighs Crit just, when Crit used to just outweigh Spirit.

I'm running 56/0/15. I'm about ~400 sprit unbuffed. COULD this be due to LIFETAP GLYPH not being as effective? I go from 3058sp to 3141sp, so it now only offers ~83 sp.

I would've thought replacing most of my spirit with crit would've been better, but sim says otherwise.

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Old 02/05/10, 5:54 PM   #13309
Eglan
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Zul'Jin (EU)
Originally Posted by shwa96 View Post
That's what I was asking. Since it's constantly being refreshed, if you do a weapon swap and lose hit rating it shouldn't affect your corruption being refreshed, right? As long as your SB/Haunt don't miss.
You shouldn't swap to a weapon without hit rating, which would cause you to be under the hit cap for almost the entire boss fight. (Assuming you aren't over the hit cap by far)

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Old 02/05/10, 6:45 PM   #13310
tazanturn
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Drak'thul (EU)
Originally Posted by Jadeddragon View Post
As far as I have been able to see there isn't a BiS list for 10m normal or heroic. Is there any chance that you could make one?
Also, when is it proper to start gearing with agi over str? From what I have read through this forums and others str was always better then any other stat given that you have the hit/exp cap met.
Point to point str wins, but agi items are often better itemized due to the 4 rows vs 5 rows policy. Practicly that means 4 rows of better stats gives you lower dps output then 5 rows of worse stats. The actual benefit of agi vs str item depends greatly on your current gear and you should use spreadsheet/rawr/head to determine which one works better for you. But keep in mind you'll have to run with full str gear once 4.0 hits live (several months ahead, but still)

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Old 02/05/10, 7:19 PM   #13311
Miaff
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Priest
 
Свежеватель душ (EU)
Once we get some parses going we will have to determine if the extra CoH cast over the course of the fight does more healing than 20% extra healing on your PoM.
Dear Sinndir,

did you determined the efficiency of t10 2nd bonus yet?
Would be nice if you add some info.

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Old 02/05/10, 7:31 PM   #13312
Bergtau
Von Kaiser
 
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Gnome Warlock
 
Blade's Edge
Originally Posted by shwa96 View Post
That's what I was asking. Since it's constantly being refreshed, if you do a weapon swap and lose hit rating it shouldn't affect your corruption being refreshed, right? As long as your SB/Haunt don't miss.
This question is actually interesting. You shouldn't be under hit cap, but this could make lost hit even more of a loss if the refresh part of Everlasting Affliction requires hit rating. Given that it triggered Nibelung, it might. On the other hand, Improved Shadow Bolt also triggered Nibelung.

Either way, being under hit cap is bad.

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Old 02/05/10, 7:37 PM   #13313
nuparu
 
Undead Rogue
 
Haomarush
Really, I didn't scan the posts, but for a Mut/prep spec (41/5/25) should I gem according to color? Currently I use AP gems for red, AP/Hit for yellow, and AP/Stam for blue. Am i screwing up?

Oh ya, and i use the +42 AP and +run speed meta.
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft Talent Spec
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Last edited by nuparu : 02/05/10 at 8:41 PM.

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Old 02/05/10, 8:26 PM   #13314
vinkev
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Wildhammer (EU)
what weapons ?

HI guys can you advise me what weapons to use i have shadows edge, bryntroll, and ramaldinis blade of culling im fury spec soft capped for arp with mjr and wfs just dont know if its worth using bryn mh and shadow oh as it goes against everything i know about equipping weapons lol any advice would be great thx

Last edited by vinkev : 02/05/10 at 8:39 PM.

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Old 02/05/10, 8:33 PM   #13315
dwsr
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Death Knight
 
Emerald Dream
Have you tried calculating your stat weights without the glyph active for comparison?

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Old 02/05/10, 9:17 PM   #13316
Briora
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Paladin
 
Forscherliga (EU)
well, i was sure they were a really good upgrade, until i read the compendium :-s
Because there are perople some pronouncing so hard that haste/mp5 is optimal and crit is a almost meaningless (pure) luck stat which tends to fail if you really need it (heh, Murphys Law even rules in WoW almost like taking crit makes you a lowbob.
Thanks for your answer, I am going to gear, as I first off planned.
But it'd still like to here what you think about the belt, because there the crit/haste tradeoff is quite big.

And not that it really matters... but i bought the recipe for distilled wisdom in Zangarmarsh, so I believe its from BC.

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Old 02/05/10, 9:25 PM   #13317
vinkev
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Wildhammer (EU)
what weapons?

HI guys can you advise me what weapons to use i have shadows edge, bryntroll, and ramaldinis blade of culling im fury spec soft capped for arp with mjr and wfs just dont know if its worth using bryn mh and shadow oh as it goes against everything i know about equipping weapons lol any advice would be great thx

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Old 02/05/10, 9:44 PM   #13318
jordancub
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warlock
 
Blackrock
Originally Posted by dwsr View Post
Have you tried calculating your stat weights without the glyph active for comparison?
Uhh, good idea, I'll try that now.

HMMM, interesting, its back to CRIT being over SPIRIT, it makes sense now, it might be a transition (~400spirit unbufffed) that the glyph is useful. I might do a few tests with other glyphs etc, and will keep you guys posted.

Last edited by jordancub : 02/05/10 at 10:09 PM.

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Old 02/05/10, 9:45 PM   #13319
Ensipid
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Warlock
 
Arathor
Originally Posted by jibi View Post
I'd say the reference to Saronite bombs is a reference to the reason of a 72hours long ban after a world first, but I might be wrong
This is probably the case - regardless they're off the gcd so I personally use them on cooldown along with global thermal sapper charges.

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Old 02/05/10, 11:11 PM   #13320
bgilmore15
 
Tauren Hunter
 
Fenris
I have a question about the use of geming ArP as a MM hunter. I have read that ArP was nerfed and I am not sure what is the correct thing to do with geming or not geming ArP. I read this post on Outdps.com and I was wondering if you all agree with this suggestions.

"# If your gear has less than about 350 ArP from gear (not including gems or a trinket proc), then you should use arcane shot taking improved arcane shot talent, as well as gem agility.
# If your gear has more than 350ish ArP (this amount changes based on how much crit and AP you have), but less than 850 (again, not including gems or a trinket proc), then you should continue to gem agility, but drop arcane shot from your rotation, and use the improved arcane shot points somewhere else. To see whether this is a DPS increase, you need to use a DPS calculator for your spec and gear.
# If your gear has over 850 ArP (again, not including gems or a trinket proc) and you don’t mind being a bit of a “one trick pony” (a term Tobin at EJ coined to mean that you don’t AOE or DPS while moving well), then you can gem ArP and will get a DPS increase."

I was sitting at 567 ArP on my gear and I was told I need to gem total ArP so I did. I have now 879 ArP plus the proc from Needle scorpion trink and I have noticed a large dps drop in 5, 10, and 25 man groups. Thank you for any help
Mize

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