I did not know that rawr did that, cheers for the info.

4 piece t10 doesn't really change the rotation that much, you should aim for 4 stacks during cooldowns still. Whether you use 234AM or 4AM depends on how mana holds up for you. I often go 4AM until the first evocate then use 234AM until the cooldown to evocate is low enough, but this should depend on how your mana is at various points of the fight. 2 piece t10 gives you more options on your rotations and lets you manage mana better.

As for ABarr, I haven't been using it enough in my raids and I'm starting to think that's probably a mistake. For fights where you have to move a bit (get away from ghosts/dnd on deathwhisper, kiting bloodbeasts on saurfang, running back/away from explosion on rotface, etc, an instant like ABar has its uses. It's not a huge dps boost though so if you don't use it much, it's an option to skip it, I think, depends on playstyle.

My guildmate advocates using ABar to consume AB4 if MBar doesn't proc, but I've been stubbornly fishing for proc by casting AB5, 6, etc. This can have some negative consequences when luck really goes bad (like refusing to proc MBAR on AB 11 or something last night) but I find it's generally more DPS to not use ABar to consume it, but I wonder how others handle this myself.

I've noticed that Soul Fire consumes soul shards if Decimation drops during your cast.

For example: You just kill a mob and have Decimation on you. You target a new mob and cast soul fires for the remainder of decimation. You cast Soul Fire with 1 second remaining on Decimation ( you get the reduced cast time) and Decimation falls off right before Soul Fire is finished casting. A soul shard will be consumed.

Not sure if this is intended or not. Any thoughts?

I've been wondering, how do you all think the t2 wrathful weapons compare to icc 25 weapons such as bryntroll? Personally, I think the extra damage of the t2 wrathful would put it above normal bryntroll.

With this current Muti sheet i'm beginning to notice a slight drop off with the haste value, or it's possible it starts a higher value. But either way, it if was talked about before I apologize, I missed it.

I'm Currently sitting at 755 Haste, I wanted to know if there was a set amount where haste just becomes a sub par stat for Muti, or do melee not hold a haste cap at all?

The DPS value of the use of Abar is very difficult to quantify as it is dependent on a number of factors. How long you're moving for, the number of AB stacks you have, the number of times you need to move each minute, whether you were part way through casting an AB when you had to move and how far you were through casting the AB. With these different variables there are times when casting Abarr is a dps loss, a slight gain or a very big DPS increase versus not casting (or having) Abar.

Kaven has made a good start at putting a dps value to Abar with RAWR, but I think that the movement time is static so it can not give a more compleate indication. Until then its probably subjective as to whether the talent should be taken or not, influenced by personal preference and playstyle. I've considered dropping it for a while yet still find it useful, especially when finishing off adds.

@ got2burself and phrynia. While fishing for procs is more technically more dps, the way it seems to be causing you to manage your mana is actually a loss of dps. Proc fishing is fine if it the fight is either short,you have a very large mana pool or you have evocate/an innervate at the ready. If not the DPM of not using Abarr is much higher than the small loss dps in using Abarr. In addition, I have noticed that Abarr, when used, has a tendancy to proc MBAM (thank you RNGesus?) At this point with 2pt10 using a 0 stack MBAM is then worth it to regain the haste buff. Abarr is almost certainly worth using in a movement situation to gain damage done to the boss, DPS not necessarily. If you have to move, say out of fire or DnD, using Abarr with stacks up instead of allowing those stacks to fall is a dps increase. (Shortened AB stack timer causes this to happen more often) However if you have PoM using that to refresh stacks is a superior option. Hope this helps.

Any update soon?

I found a loss in dps/dmg done on a target dummy when using black magic over 63sp.

Weps was Normal Barb(245) +63 and Frost needle(251) + black magic.

Frost needle is an upgrade and yet with BM chant I was pushing close to 300 less dps.

I ended up using Frost Needle for Destro and Barb for aff.

Considering the +63 SP enchant in itself isn't worth 300 DPS, I'm willing to bet the difference between your two fights was RNG or just variance in your performance. I do agree +63 SP enchant is the way to go, but for more simple reasons

Black Magic grants 250 haste for 10 seconds, with an internal cooldown of 35 seconds. That means it's uptime should be at or around 28.5%. That averages out to a sustained 71.2 haste rating. Compared with 63 SP, from here it depends on your custom simcraft stat weights.

For me personally, SP is about 1.6 DPS per point and haste is at around 1.4

63 x 1.6 = 100.8 DPS contribution
71.2 x 1.4 = 99.68

This doesn't take into account hitting the haste cap at certain times, or the benefit / detriment of a huge increase and subsequent decrease in haste for your particular spec.

Yeah I've been trying to find a different trinket but so far no luck.

I was looking at it and I can gem to the hit and expertise cap and still be somewhat above the softcap so I guess I'll just go ahead and give that a shot.

Thanks guys.