Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 916

Draknareth · 02/15/10, 3:29 PM

Generally you should aim to hit at least the 8% soft cap even though it is 5% for specials and go slightly higher if possible as otherwise you will get a lot of misses from white attacks, but obviously it's practically impossible to reach the 27% dual wield hit cap so i personally aim for 280-320 hit at the most, at this point i prefer to swap out hit for more useful stats.

Pesunäätä · 02/15/10, 3:54 PM

So, What is the best choice? I am now human but what about gnome? Intellect+, Escape artist. So thats good for mage aye? But is it better than humans racials? So can any1 please tell me should i change to gnome or stay human. I am PVE mage if u didn't read the title. ;)

Impossible3144 · 02/15/10, 4:34 PM

Thanks for the help. I wasn't entirely clear on the haste effect, but I can see why that would push it above Berserking. (Plus, I assume the Agi benefits from BoK, IMotW, etc.) Too bad there's no actual Mongoose equivalent in WotLK, though, maybe with a little more agi and mats that are actually still widely used.

4pc T9 isn't great, but it's good enough that Rawr is treating ICC gear as a downgrade once I lose it. I'm hoping 2pc T10 is good enough. I have to say, I find it frustrating that T10, the "best" tier of the expansion, is also the only one that does almost nothing to ease our rotations, so I can see this getting quite hard for me without rip/SR/rake extension or extra OoC procs (which I would love to have on T10). I wish they'd add Mangle to the 2pc bonus, at least, since it's Mangle users who will suffer most from that...

jsterr1 · 02/15/10, 4:41 PM

ok...part 2 of the question. i found the rogue spreadsheet to be absolutely fantastic but the sheets i find for other classes just leave me sitting there scratching my head most of the time. is rawr decent for hunters/locks/warriors and the like?

Daenerys · 02/15/10, 4:55 PM

Originally Posted by Impossible3144

Thanks for the help. I wasn't entirely clear on the haste effect, but I can see why that would push it above Berserking. (Plus, I assume the Agi benefits from BoK, IMotW, etc.) Too bad there's no actual Mongoose equivalent in WotLK, though, maybe with a little more agi and mats that are actually still widely used.

4pc T9 isn't great, but it's good enough that Rawr is treating ICC gear as a downgrade once I lose it. I'm hoping 2pc T10 is good enough. I have to say, I find it frustrating that T10, the "best" tier of the expansion, is also the only one that does almost nothing to ease our rotations, so I can see this getting quite hard for me without rip/SR/rake extension or extra OoC procs (which I would love to have on T10). I wish they'd add Mangle to the 2pc bonus, at least, since it's Mangle users who will suffer most from that...

It will certainly not be the same for everyone, but I found 2pc T10 to be enough of an upgrade (even with 251 pieces) to easily make it worth breaking 4pc T9. As for easing rotations, once you get used to it, you forget all about the "easier" rotations provided by T9. The extra ~1k DPS (that's about what it was for me, anyway) you get from 4pc T10 helps you forget, as well!

BulgarBG · 02/15/10, 5:07 PM

I was thinking of how to best divide healing in our 10s with paladin, priest, shaman and I wasn't liking any of the combinations.

First and most obvious was me holy and Shamn as tank back-up, raid healing. But I started to think, never a good sign, that I could play disc and leave shaman to care about the raid. With shields preventing infest and having better tank heals that was starting to look like a good idea to me.

But then I asked myself, why not both? Meaning why don't I spec 'disc' and stay holy at the same time:

I present to you this idea:

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Lets discuss the trade-offs and why I don't think this is the worst idea ever.

What I gain:
- Disc shields call this A = "Gaining Disc-power-shields" + infest problem solved
- Mental Agility (10% instant spell cost)(renew love and less tide QQ)
- if you swap any 1 point in holy into 2nd point of Body&Soul, you are affetively giving sprint to anyone you shield - just for the 'lol' factor this is pure win.

What I give up:
- Wings - call this B = "Giving up all utilities associated with wings". Anytime you consider giving example of how good wings to have is, I'd say that you can find 5 times more examples of where having disc-shields + coh would end up more in the end. The rest of the trade-offs between my main holy spec and 'this' spec, I consider negligible.
- Serendipity - well I was trying to think of a way to give up this anyhow, these days I rarely use the proc
- 1 sec extra on mending CD (napkin math), not the end of the world, unless we are talking Twins or BQ, I refresh mending on CD, so I end up 'wasting' the last few potential jumps anyhow
- 4% healing on CoH and Mending - well considering that CoH runs ~70% over-healing for me, I think this wouldn't hurt all that much

I think is worth a shot and will be trying it today in our 10s.

TL

R - This is a Holy spec with shields, not a disc-spec with holy talents.

Deép · 02/15/10, 5:49 PM

Thanks for the tips Skatopinelo, yeah I was mixing a couple of specs around to see how well SD works for TPS and never bothered to change it. I'm sitting at 51k hp unbuffed right now and I think that's plenty for me to switch around a couple pieces for more expertise.

Kashir · 02/15/10, 5:56 PM

Hybrid specs do not work for priests. Period.

If you could trade 4% healing, GS and Serendipity for Disc Shields, it would be a fantastic tradeoff. That's not what you're doing. You're trading the deep Holy talents for;

- A shield which receives 40% less Spellpower bonus
- Does not give 3% raid damage reduction
- Has a 25% longer GCD
- Does not restore mana through Rapture

PWS is a pretty pitiful spell without the deep Disc talents propping it up.

Edit: Unless I'm misundarstanding and this spec is a gimmick for Arthas? I haven't done the fight, so I'll leave judgement to those who have!

BulgarBG · 02/15/10, 6:15 PM

I'm not loosing anything from talents that I never had to begin with:
- A shield which receives 40% less Spellpower bonus
- Does not give 3% raid damage reduction
- Has a 25% longer GCD
- Does not restore mana through Rapture

The trade off that I'm making is Wigns / Serendipity / 2 poitns in Divine Procince. Nothing else changes from my holy-spec.

- This is a Holy spec with shields, not a disc-spec with holy talents."

Gizza101 · 02/15/10, 6:29 PM

I too have been trying to figure this quesion out myself, I was talking with the rest of the locks in my guild and they seem to be confident in getting any +spr gear they can and hold onto LT glyph. However they are aff and demo.

Another issue was mentioned with all the Spr going to haste isnt there a haste cap concern with backdraft + heroism hitting the GCD time?

Havent tested anything just talkin with guildies about it.

superfly75 · 02/15/10, 6:44 PM

A quick fix, but the Agi to AP conversion isn't in the list of combat conversions.

GwnMiike · 02/15/10, 7:26 PM

I am wondering what glyphs i should use.
Atm, i am running with a rDPS spec and use Glyph of Life Tap, Meta, and Quick Delay.
Would this be the right choise due the MC proc uptime?
Also, i am stil unsure wether to keep using Incinirate or stay on Shadowbolt when MC procs.

Gaant · 02/15/10, 7:30 PM

I'm fairly certain 1 agility gets you 1 attack power

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FathomDeeps · 02/15/10, 8:42 PM

I am a newly re-specced demonology warlock, and I was wondering where can you talent points out of in the demonology or destruction tree in order to sacrifice the least DPS whilst taking up Supression.