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Old 02/01/09, 1:15 PM   #2276
breakingpoint
 
Night Elf Death Knight
 
Darkspear
hi guys! been reading and browsing in EJ since I decided to take up dual wielding this is my spec Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft and i was wondering if it was my gear or the build itself was suffering from dps loss...click my armory to check if it in fact is the gear that is way off my dps...and can any1 suggest gears that are suitable for more dps? (been raiding nax10 and OS10) as well as doing every heroic possible to achieve maximum dps..thanks for the suggestions

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Old 02/01/09, 1:41 PM   #2277
nidraj
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warlock
 
Elune (EU)
Originally Posted by ALZA1 View Post
Latest WIP

Clean + addons + raidframes preview (bottomright, names shown @ mouseover):


MT + MTTargets spawned via oUF:
2 tanks, no target, classcolor:

1st tank (bottom one) targeting player, showing target name:

1st tank targeting hostile mob:


I'll post oUF layout link soon, just need to test it in raid.

Update:
layout link

MTT anchoring and offset can be changed in template.xml file.

Raid shot:
hi , Very nyce ui ( i Love Mt - Mt target ) where are you find " a " Addon ?

thx

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Old 02/01/09, 6:14 PM   #2278
haburi
Glass Joe
 
Orc Rogue
 
Kel'Thuzad
Originally Posted by xmod2 View Post
For your rotation, envenom refreshes SnD due to Cut to the Chase. Once you start up your SnD you should never need to reapply it and you use Envenom to keep SnD up instead. Again, read that thread and it should give you everything you need to know for raiding.
Thanks for pointing this out, I didn't realize that.. Although, the key here is if envenom critical strikes. I've found this is not always the case.

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Old 02/01/09, 6:22 PM   #2279
Miyomoto
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Nordrassil (EU)
What is the best dagger combo to use out of these daggers?

[Knife of Incision],[Titansteel Shanker], [The Fleshshaper] and [Librarian's Paper Cutter].

Im really not sure whese combo of those to use for PvE.

Here is my armory http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...sil&n=Miyomoto


In 10 man i put out 3216.2 DPS with Shanker main hand and incision off-hand on patch.

Can i get some advise please..

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Old 02/01/09, 7:15 PM   #2280
Qwikster
 
Gnome Rogue
 
Doomhammer
Help with rotation/dps (lacking?)

First off let me say I have read most of the posts on your site, looking for great tips and how to's. I have run into a problem though and I would like to know what I am doing wrong.

My gear is here: Qwikster (Doomhammer)

Just this past week our guild did a Target Dummy raid to see where dps was lacking (here are the stats). Also here is a webstat of a Naxx-25 run here.

**Raid Buffed: It seems like even on my best day I get about 3,000 dps on a Naxx 25 run. I can get about 3500 dps on a single target if there is no movement, but it is luck most times.
**Without Raid Buffs: On a target Dummy I am stuck around 2,500 using just poisons.

The only way I have gotten past the ~3000 dps is with Thaddius's plus damage, or a Maly spark.

My rotation is as described under your post here, but just for clarification here is what I do:
1. Stealth in, and get HfB up at 3 stacks. **(This helps me utilize Overkill)
2. Typically start with ToT/Ambush combo, or just Ambush if the Tank is good.
3. Get SnD going with the CP's from Ambush.
4. Muti until at least 4 CP's.
if Deadly Poison stack is < 4 and SnD has enough time left that I can get off another Muti, I do rupture.
if Deadly Poison stack is >= 4 or SnD is < 5-7 sec, I smack Envenom
5. Constantly intermix HfB refresh when the time left is less than ~5 sec, but it will always be up.
**I am using Instant Poison on MH, and Deadly on OH
I've heard several rogues on here saying "I can get 5000-6000 dps". I guess I don't understand why I am so underpar. I am not a bad player and I try to keep maximum contact with the mob at all times, making sure whenever possible I am behind to mitigate Block and Parry.

I am also looking at getting the Maly Leather chest piece and the Valorous Headpiece to get my Expertise up, but that will do a little. I need to figure out if there is a bigger problem. Any constructive critisim is welcome, and I am open to suggestions on gear/spec/etc...

I am just getting really frustrated and you all are the best support group around.

Respectfully,
-Qwikster

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Old 02/01/09, 8:35 PM   #2281
Fearsom
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Blade's Edge (EU)
Hey guys I'v recently gone 2h spec but im completely lost when it comes to the rotation, I have a decent weapon/gear and I will have other 2H DKs higher in the dps/dmg done meters than me. I obviously want to be top of dmg/dps meters but atm its just not happening so please advise me.

I currently get around 3k - 3.2-3.3k dps 25man, DW i used to do 6k.

The DKs higher than me do around 4k 2H dps with worse gear and they say they are using a simular rotation to me yet they are miles ahead in dps/dmg all the time.

My armory:
The World of Warcraft Armory

Current rotation:
PS -> IT -> BS -> BS -> SS -> UB
SS -> SS -> SS -> DC

I would like a single target(boss) rotation and a trash rotation if possible.

Thanks in advance

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Old 02/02/09, 12:50 AM   #2282
wilson0309
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Winterhoof
Hey guys I have enjoyed the posts here and have gotten to a point where I have found myself looking for the next gear list.
Meaning does anyone know of a Feral Raid Tank Gear List. As in what we should be looking for in Nax and other raids.
Please dont reply with "if its better then what you got roll on it" I am looking for some straight answers from some veterans. Usually its that one piece from this boss and another piece from over here in this raid and the compilation makes all the difference in the world once your guild gets towards the end of 25mans

As I look around at other tanks I am seeing them in valorous gear with little to no expertise rating. If someone could explain that would be awesome

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Old 02/02/09, 2:37 AM   #2283
Donoknik
 
Donoknik
Tauren Druid
 
Ragnaros
An alternative rotation

Maybe this is no much dmg but i think doing SR just after mangle at the begining of the fight during your first rotation give you some extra dps

1.- Mangle
2.- SR
3.- Rake
4.- Shred until 5 CP
5.- Rip

and then a normal rotation

Mangle, rake, shred until 5 CP, SR, Mangle, rake, shred until 5 CP, Rip and repeat... always having mangle and rake debuffs up and Berserk and TF in CD

I would like to know your opinion about this way of doing dps at the beginning of a boss fight

Thnx

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Old 02/02/09, 3:53 AM   #2284
renjii
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Barthilas
for the best dps output as a elemental shaman should i go for
glyph Lightning bolt,
glyph Flame tongue,
glyph Flame Shock,

or
glyph Lightning bolt,
glyph flametounge,
glyph Flame Shock,
?

thx

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Old 02/02/09, 8:26 AM   #2285
Gryzemuis
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Rogue
 
Deathwing (EU)
I'm not 100% sure this is the correct thread to post my suggestion. But starting a new thread will certainly get my head cut off. And this thread has moved to discussing the future of different talent trees for pve dps.

The problem is that rogue's pve dps is too low. As stated by Ghostcrawler, Blizzard would like to increase rogue pve dps. But they feel they can't as rogues already do too much burst damage in pvp. So the question is: how do we improve longterm pve dps, without increasing burst dps and without increasing dps in pvp. I think one answer is to let a rogue's raid dps depend on the fact that he is in a raid. Or in a party. HAT tries to do this, but the result is too unpredictable, and too bursty, to be fun to play. Or to uncontrollable to not let HAT go through the roof.

I have another suggestion.
How about a talent like this:

New talent: Cooperation
Rank: 0/5
Requires 45 points in Combat Talents

The beneficial effects from buffs and debuffs by your party and raid members will be increased by 10/20/30/40/50%.


What does this mean ? Suppose you have a palading who gives you Greater Blessing of Might. That gives you normally 550 attack power. Now if you have 5/5 Cooperation, then GBoM will give you 825 attackpower (= 550 * 150%). Suppose a warrior put 5x Sunder Armor on a boss. That normally reduces armor by 3925. With 5/5 Cooperation, a rogue would experience a 5837 armor reduction. Etc. You get the picture.

If I remember correctly, in TBC my rogue got about a 75% dps increase when fully raid buffed. Some of that was because of food and flask, but the majority of that extra damage was because of raid buffs and boss debuffs. Suppose the raid buffs were giving me a 50% dps increase. With 5/5 Cooperation that would be a 75% dps increase. Suppose my rogue does 1500 dps solo. With raid buffs and food/flask, that would be 2625 dps. With 5/5 Cooperation that would increase to 3000 dps. An overall 14% increase in raid dps.

If this is deemed too much, or not enough, the exact results can be tweaked by making the talent do a few less or more % of buff increase. Some of these buffs are flat increases (like BoMight). Therefor I think the increase in dps will not scale at full speed with gear. This talent can give a nice dps increase, but won't grow exponentially and piss off other classes.

Why do I like this suggestion ? It increases rogues's raid pve dps, without increasing pvp dps. In arenas you have a limited number of party members (especially in 2vs2 or 3vs3), so this new talent in the Combat tree would not suddenly make Combat the new pvp spec. There's no reason for pvp players to complain about this new talent. In solo pve, we have no party buffs, so the challenge of solo content would not be impacted. Same for solo "world pvp" (aka ganking). In battlegrounds, people hardly buff each other, so I don't think it will impact BGs. And remember, this new talent should be very deep into the Combat talent tree. And as long as Combat is not a viable pvp spec, the new increased pve dps should not bother any pvp players.

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Old 02/02/09, 9:00 AM   #2286
klüger
Piston Honda
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Ravencrest (EU)
If you compare: [Deadly Gladiator's Wyrmhide Robes] with [Deadly Gladiator's Kodohide Robes] you'll see some evidence towards crit rating costing the same as the spirit stat.

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Old 02/02/09, 11:23 AM   #2287
 frmorrison
Protector
 
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Ashstorm
Human Paladin
 
No WoW Account
Originally Posted by klüger View Post
Iyou'll see some evidence towards crit rating costing the same as the spirit stat.
The OP says as much. All rating stats (like crit rating, haste rating, etc.) cost 1 point, the same as spirit.

Millions of words are written annually purporting to tell how to beat the races, whereas the best possible advice on the subject is found in the three monosyllables: 'Do not try.'

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Old 02/02/09, 11:41 AM   #2288
MicroBit
Glass Joe
 
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Human Warrior
 
Stormreaver (EU)
My point of "imp demo shout is useless" is that World of Warcraft is turning into a casual game, not something for hardcore players. We won't see Ulduar nowhere near like SSC/TK in TBC at the start, if you ask me.

They did it with Naxxramas and they're definitely going to do it with Ulduar.
All you need in raids is to max out the DPS, nothing else, really..

I could, just maybe, drop 2 points to imp demo shout if it was really required, but not 5.

Originally Posted by chefjeff View Post
OMG man,why does someone need to be blamed? Raiding is a team effort.If you can't see the benifit of taking talents that will help the raid on hard progression then I suspect you are not a very good player.
Debatable.

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Old 02/02/09, 12:43 PM   #2289
AIiza
 
Human Death Knight
 
Antonidas (EU)
hm..i'm just using a DW spec.. what presence is the best for bossfights? Doing about 5k dps with unholy

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Old 02/02/09, 3:24 PM   #2290
Hobs
Glass Joe
 
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Human Paladin
 
Moonrunner
gotcha, ty

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Old 02/02/09, 3:42 PM   #2291
germanator
Von Kaiser
 
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Human Mage
 
Crushridge
Ive practically been Frost....for life.

Unfortunately, Frostraiding currently is not as good as it was towards the beginning of BC. They have taken out the "Binary"(unpartially resistable) frostbolts and the extra 3% "ghost" hit, its just not as competetive or buffed as Fire, Arcane or Fire/Frost.
I was just invited into a 25m Nax because I guess they were short on decurses and mages, but I used the the phrase "I got 2500dps on a dummy over 1min", which I did, that got me the invite, and I am also glad the raid leader did not ask specs, but he did ask spellpower which i replied 1400.
Being in Nax(25m or 10m) for the 1st time since BC(we cleared it every week after 2.6), and even as this is the "kara" of LK, I was kind of disappointed how unchanged the instance was, I mean did it really take that much effort in changing it from level 60 to level 80 content? That's beside the point, since being PVE frost I've noticed I was able to survive alot better especcially on Thad, Sapph, and KT. This is where frost shines as you all know.

On Thad I got a 14th on dmg, On Sapph I got 11th on dmg and even outdmged about 3 of the people, (who had survived the whole fight and, might I add had, had mostly nax epics) and I did almost 50% of the decursing (#1) in the raid with 30 decurses :|. while I had outdmged the top mage in the raid ( who had #2 dmg on thad and decursed only a mere 3 times during the sapph fight). And the last mage i remember had also cursed only about 8 times. Sorry forgetting the #dps but i didnt want to deviate so much from the report from my errors in remembering. KT for some reason I cannot recall at all except that I won the crit cloak, and that last mage I was talking about got really mad.

And a little about myself... I turned 80 2 days prior to the raid, I still have 2 greens on , im stacking self buffed 400 haste and have 1400 sp, 11% crit(might have changed from the new cloak). Im undercapped, about 4-5% currently. I did use Brain Freeze. Cd's. WE etc...everytime.
I havent even done a lvl 80 heroic or any other LK 10mans or 25mans and I need to start, as that I will try to find hit,sp,haste, crit upgrades (in that order). Oh ya... gotta putin my FrB glyph in place of the Mana Gem one, and the Molten armor Glyph

Will I keep Pveing as Frost? Yes Ive been Frost probably since ive started my mage about 3.5 years ago.....I leveled Frost, and once 70 I eventually respecced to the PVE frost( water ele and meditation..it was honestly....too much mana). Then, shortly before I got my T5, I specced to Arcane/Frost (40/0/21) which included rotations of 3 (the original) Arc Blasts ,3 Frostbolts, and had cold snap and icy veins and 225% frostcrits. Before the time of dummies was the time of DR. BOOM. I was playing around with just spamming Arc Blast... and omg 3k dps... wow.. I did this on the last day of BC talents on trash in THE EYE (with raid buffs) 4K DPS!
Honestly, the best spec I have ever played (having my T5) before Lich King talents since they had destroyed Arcane/Frost 40/0/21 by:
1. Changing Arcane Blast drastically.... into crap( the 1st change, not the 2nd one)
2. Moving the talent in arcane 'Spell Power" to a tier 10 talent (You really cant get it as frost...anymore)
3. Changing the ghost hit or unpartially resistable frostbolts (I forget if they had, yet but they will anyways).
4. Nerfing 2/5 T5 Tirisfall Regalia ( from +20% on Arc Blast ----->>> to a mere +5%). Very angry about this decision, I respecced to full Pve Arcane ( my guild was on Illidan at that time) eh it was ok... not as good as Arc/Frost though.... had lots of haste(I had no haste on my arcane/frost gear set.. it was all crit which i switched to haste as full arcane and that Netherwind presense talent was pretty nice too) I remember..and relatively mana inefficient(I used the 1 arc blast 1 Arcbar , missles on buff rotation) This was a drastic change since my dps over 1 minute had literally went downhill from 1800(arc frost) to 1600(arcane)

Does Frost need to be Fixxed? yes I'm really not gonan go into much detail about this... it just needs a serious drastic change. Perma W/E? maybe.... Brain Freeze change...yep Deep Freeze for PVE..ohya.. Scaling.... HELL YES

And Lastly... NAMING YOUR WATER ELEMENTAL?!!! FUCK YA

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Old 02/02/09, 11:05 PM   #2292
Loosse
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Dalaran
my question is about what stat to stack next. i am hit and exp capped. im just unsire what to gem for next. agi will give me crit and ap but would it be better to go straight crit or straight ap? is haste still a good idea? any help is appreciated.

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Old 02/02/09, 11:07 PM   #2293
Lonthar
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Shattered Hand
Does anyone know which are the best weapons for a Warlock? Right now I am wearing Haunting Call, but I would like to know if, for example, Life and Death is better?

Thanks.

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Old 02/02/09, 11:40 PM   #2294
dasweb
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warlock
 
<OGC>
Dunemaul
I did 6500 dps last night on patchwerk, so far it's my highest. I'm still trying to get my rotations down well, as I always get caught in the middle of a shadow bolt when dots drop off.

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Old 02/03/09, 12:15 AM   #2295
Teohetimokan
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Sargeras (EU)
Anjuna's ShadowUI 3.1

clean:


pet:


target:

Last edited by Teohetimokan : 02/03/09 at 1:27 PM.

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Old 02/03/09, 1:57 AM   #2296
the problem
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Magtheridon
Originally Posted by Teohetimokan View Post
Made that tonight (wip)

Anjuna's ShadowUI 3.0

clean:


target:


I've really enjoyed all your minimalist designs. I really liked 1.0... is there any way you can share that with us?

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Old 02/03/09, 2:25 AM   #2297
preemkrazykow
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Death Knight
 
Galakrond
I would like to see how other 51/13/7 blood dks are doing.

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Old 02/03/09, 2:43 AM   #2298
Jarlaxle
Banned
 
Troll Rogue
 
Dentarg
question:

When gemming for mutilate spec, which is better: agi or ap

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Old 02/03/09, 3:23 AM   #2299
Whoamg
 
Undead Rogue
 
Magtheridon
I've done 4400 (recount) dps on patchwerk in 10 man with a time of 3:01, the usual IT,PS,SS,BS,BS,UB, keeping UB up, DC's never going over RP cap, SS glyph, IT glyph, 4pc t7 bonus. I was wondering what I could do to maximize my dps regarding gargoyle and AotD.

Currently how I would use them is wait for fallen crusader proc AND darkmoon card proc at the same time, pop Bloodfury and insane strength potion, THEN pop gargoyle, wait for the right time to 3xSS then ERW dump, 3xSS again without running our of RP for gargoyle. Then I'd do the same later in the fight for AotD when blood fury/pot is off cooldown (without ERW of course)

I don't know how exactly the ghouls from aotd work, like wether they take your haste/str/AP/crit or they have their own thats the same everytime. So I'm asking whats the optimum way to use consumables, and which consumables (insane str potion VS potion of speed) with which cooldowns (gargoyle/aotd). And how could I use bloodlust to the best of my advantage?

Last edited by Whoamg : 02/03/09 at 4:21 AM.

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Old 02/03/09, 5:56 AM   #2300
orion121
Piston Honda
 
Troll Shaman
 
Eredar
Originally Posted by preemkrazykow View Post
I would like to see how other 51/13/7 blood dks are doing.
And I would like to see more people sticking to the form and considering whether anything that isn't a DPS post is a) Relevant and b) Useful.

WTB More Data
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