Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 935

Disposition96 · 02/22/10, 9:54 AM

Originally Posted by evl

I've updated and repackaged all my addons now so the extracted folder matches the TOC file, this should handle any problems people have been experiencing with addons not loading.

These look like a nice set of addons, I have downloaded them and will give them a try to see how well they work with the play style.

Poupette · 02/22/10, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Gl0rn

So,my question is,how the sp is rolled with Demonic pact,let's say I have 3.5k sp with raid buffs,i'm starting fight,DP procs which means I give 350sp for raid,what if for example i'll get sp from my ring or trinket and I have 4200 sp,is DP scalling with my current SP or this 350 SP for entire raid is being rolled throughot the whole fight?

The buff is rolled each time pet crit.
So in your example, pet give 420sp instead of 350 when he crit and you have 4200.

But when you go back to 3500, your buff go back to 350 next time pet crit.

And I think this DP buff is taken in this calculation :

with 3500sp
1st crit give 350sp
2nd crit is calculate with 3850sp so give 380.

Zamir · 02/22/10, 10:41 AM

There's a 10-man strict BiS list here, but I don't guarantee its total accuracy as it was made in the early days of 3.3 when a lot of loot details were still speculative.

ericlagel · 02/22/10, 11:13 AM

I got a simple question, that I can't see answered anywhere:

What are the criteria that would make one switch from SV to MM? I read that, at higher gear level, MM tends to deliver superior DPS, as ArP scales better. As a survival hunter who has been focusing on getting the highest agi possible, I wonder when is the right time to switch.

Is that when a certain ArP is reached? Is that when you have reached an agi cap? Is there a deciding threshold on a visible stat (more precise than "higher gear level") that clearly tells us: now is time to switch to MM?

Vuenf · 02/22/10, 11:15 AM

Hey guys, when do you switch from

2-p 258 t9 to t10 ?

Kapt · 02/22/10, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by ericlagel

I got a simple question, that I can't see answered anywhere:

What are the criteria that would make one switch from SV to MM? I read that, at higher gear level, MM tends to deliver superior DPS, as ArP scales better. As a survival hunter who has been focusing on getting the highest agi possible, I wonder when is the right time to switch.

Is that when a certain ArP is reached? Is that when you have reached an agi cap? Is there a deciding threshold on a visible stat (more precise than "higher gear level") that clearly tells us: now is time to switch to MM?

I will give you the standard answer of, check the spreadsheets to see what your deeps "should be" in MM vs SV. That will begin to give you an idea.

For myself, I found it about equal back in Uld/TOC days at about 500 Passive (gear only) ArP, that was with no ArP proc trinket. If you have one, factor that into your equation.

Remember that there is a difference between actual and theoretical. I know ppl that play SV great, they can get away with it longer.

To give you an answer as to what is the criteria to make the switch: DPS numbers, that's it. Run the spreadsheet, get a lot of gems and go to the target dummy, etc etc

I hope that helps

Kapt

Faeruun · 02/22/10, 12:11 PM

First of all, thankyou for answering,

so f I am correct,in your opinion, full s&d and eviscerate is absolute ?

from mmo-champion: 3;3 PTR notre
Rogue (Forums / Talent Calculator)

•Rupture: The damage-over-time component of this ability can now produce critical strikes.

Isn't this going to change anything ? or maybe I am understanding this wrongly, being french and all

shadowchao · 02/22/10, 12:12 PM

Download his addon pack, and delete everything that's not the WTF/ACCOUNT/Pitbull file.
Thought I'd share mine (will be changing to grid with gridcliqueit soon so I can not have a million macros for ToT).

from left to right, chat(30sec fadeout),omen with coolline under it, middle is Needto know and buttons under that, recount with energy bar under that.Then Minimapbuttonframe, Satrina Buff frames, minimap,above minimap is debuffs (4wide), under minimap is Durability, fps, and latency.
DBM comes up near the top middle of the screen
Idle: almost all is hidden, except chat, buffs, minimap, energy, and cooline (they hide while full/not in use

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Let me know what you think, or any suggestions for a minimalistic ui that provides all the info you need.

Garm · 02/22/10, 12:14 PM

I haven't actually used a slow weapon to tank. I have also had terrible luck with tanking weapons and tanked all of TOC with [Blood Fury]. Early in ICC I got [Bone Warden's Splitter] and switched to that. Both are obviously off-hand Rogue weapons, but for an Orc with the expertise bonus they make decent threat weapons.

Just another avenue to consider.

Tzemisce · 02/22/10, 1:46 PM

IA is definitely OP but I would not be throwing all of my eggs in one basket, so to speak since with the 3.3.3 patch is going to nerf IA. I would however like to see what frost has to offer after this next patch since they will be boosting FrB another 5% of your SP and BF will now allow you to use FFB instead of having to use FB. On another note it does seem that frost is slowly coming back on top for raid DPS. I currently only raid as Arcane but am itching to raid as Frost, has anyone else gotten close to the same numbers as arcane as being frost?

Warlocomotif · 02/22/10, 2:44 PM

edit: Beaten to the punch; nvm me!

Quakey · 02/22/10, 3:26 PM

Hey, i'm pretty new to rogue's, and these forums, i've been reading a lot of the posts here, and on other forums, as well as talking to a few rogue's.
but i'm still unsure on what to gem and enchant for in mutilate spec
some say AP, some say agility, some say crit,
Hit rating I'm sure would come first, but i have 410 hit.
Expertise i'm kind of under capped at 11/11
any advice?

Hailstorm001 · 02/22/10, 3:51 PM

I have a shadow priest, whose gs I am fairly proud of (almost 5700) but cannot for the life of me work out a good sequesnce in my macro for single target. I have upwards of 22K dps in some crowds in ICC but can't seem to break any barriers in single target (usually under 3.5K). I have tried multiple suggestions from the site and although improved (50%), the dps still lacks from where I should be. I know that some of my gear is wrong for damage and I am working on upgrading or at least laterally moving to appropriate gear. The char name is Hailstorm on Bladefist Realm. Please help.

nataku · 02/22/10, 4:21 PM

Originally Posted by Hailstorm001

I have a shadow priest, whose gs I am fairly proud of (almost 5700) but cannot for the life of me work out a good sequesnce in my macro for single target. I have upwards of 22K dps in some crowds in ICC but can't seem to break any barriers in single target (usually under 3.5K). I have tried multiple suggestions from the site and although improved (50%), the dps still lacks from where I should be. I know that some of my gear is wrong for damage and I am working on upgrading or at least laterally moving to appropriate gear. The char name is Hailstorm on Bladefist Realm. Please help.

I think you should refer to the Spriest theorycraft thread:
Shadowpriest Theorycraft 3.3 Edition - I get by with a little help from my friends

Just glancing at your gear, the first thing that comes to mind is you are not hit capped. You need 263 (w/ draenai in group) or 289 hit rating for raid level bosses. Some of your other gearing choices are also suspect, but the thread should help point you in the right direction.

Tauraherion · 02/22/10, 4:50 PM

Originally Posted by needana

i've been stacking the trinket buffs with health funnel since the dragon soul from sarth)[cast health funnel-jump-cast-jump... 10 times xD] but seems thats not an option anymore =)

I use life tap rank 1 to stack my IotLS trinket. Works just fine.