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Old 02/22/10, 7:26 PM   #14026
infreddyble
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Stormscale (EU)
just a thought ,since more str is inbound

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Old 02/22/10, 7:31 PM   #14027
Nufsed89
Glass Joe
 
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Orc Rogue
 
Dethecus
Does anyone know why i cant open this sheet...?

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Old 02/22/10, 7:54 PM   #14028
Namrah
Glass Joe
 
Troll Mage
 
Stormreaver (EU)
Originally Posted by Doombad View Post
What about picking up T10 gloves and [Plaguebringer's Stained Pants] for a 277 heroic set. This may be a better option.
Hit overkill, you wouldn't want hit from legs & gloves.

Gloves - Tier: Hit, Crit & SP vs. Non-tier: Haste, SP & Crit(Spirit)
Legs - Tier: Hit, Crit & SP vs. Non-tier: Hit, Haste & SP

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Old 02/22/10, 8:46 PM   #14029
garlicncow
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Draenor
Originally Posted by aal780555 View Post
But in that case, Life-taping or Corruption does better job than Shadowburn, and I haven't been able to find a situation where I've already used both. More importantly, I do no understand how would you be able to spec into it in a standard Destruction raid talent spec. It seemed to me that even in the supression spec you would be better off taking Soul Link or Shadowfury and many various utility talents over Shadowburn.
Standard my friend is something I do not do,
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Is the spec using Lifetap Conflag and Quick Decay as the majors.
this uses a slightly different rotation though.

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Old 02/22/10, 9:06 PM   #14030
aal780555
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Ner'zhul
edit: Shouldn't posted this.

Last edited by aal780555 : 02/22/10 at 9:17 PM. Reason: Shouldn't responded, delete this post.

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Old 02/22/10, 9:29 PM   #14031
DecalMan77
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Zangarmarsh
Blood Tanking Old Content

Whats the best build and glyphs? Im a frost tank atm. But im intrested, in soloing old content for fun and profit. So can someone help with a build and glyphs. thx.

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Old 02/22/10, 10:42 PM   #14032
Gladien
 
Human Warrior
 
Tichondrius
I'm not a fan of Landsoul's spreadsheet at all but things could have changed since I've last used it. I tried Landsoul's spreadsheet back in midst of Ulduar days when there was not a ArP cap. I geared the way it told me via gems, enchants, and upgrades. Alot of what is said made sense to me but some of it I didn't agree with. I went ahead and tried it out thinking that "hey, I might not know it all after all." lol. I ended up waisting my time and gold switching to what Landoul's spreadsheet recomended me to do and got nothing but lowered dps.

Strength and Armor Penetration work together and at the time he had the right idea but it wasn't right on exactly. Strength makes your ArP hits more effective and higher ArP %'s give you hightened chances to ignore armor. His spreadsheet said for me to regem nothing but ArP which makes sense but was overlooked. You got to take into effect that Hhgher Strength with lower ArP can be more effective than lower STR and higher ArP. It really depends on your stats as well. Hitting at the max ArP % that you have with higher STR than ArP can be just as effective or even more than the max ArP of gearing Higher ArP than STR. It hard to explain, maybe someone else can explain it better but its not so much like that anymore. Armor Pen comes from every direction now days in our gear thats available to us in TotC and Icecrown.

So, I've used RAWR ever since and have had very very minimal problems. The DPS simulation for what it says I should be doing is a little below par with what I do but thats about it. I've also came up with different BiS using RAWR over what Landsoul preaches to be BiS for dps.

Last edited by Gladien : 02/22/10 at 10:51 PM.

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Old 02/22/10, 11:48 PM   #14033
Cylia
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Outland (EU)
Something nice to do now in 3.3 is to use Quick Decay instead of Immolate when you play with Molten core (Deep demonology) for more procs.

Last edited by Cylia : 02/22/10 at 11:57 PM.

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Old 02/22/10, 11:53 PM   #14034
Jothay
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Human Warrior
 
Stormrage
Gladien was that just a statement or was there a question in that?

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Old 02/23/10, 12:00 AM   #14035
Cylia
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Outland (EU)
Something nice to do now in 3.3 is to use Quick Decay instead of Immolate when you play with Molten core (Deep demonology) for more procs.

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Old 02/23/10, 12:23 AM   #14036
Sicar
 
Human Rogue
 
Stonemaul
Hey guys, new here.

Is the 10 man LK dagger horrible? I have Heroic versions of Twin Spike and SteelBlade Breaker but no matter how I arrange my gear to make the expertise acceptable on the dagger to use .... my DPS goes WAY down. It's not making sense in my head.

I just got Heaven's Fall off Arthas so it doesn't really matter but .... yeah.

I currently run Steel Bladebreaker mainhand with Deadly and Twin Spike offhand with Instant. Should I know go Heaven's Fall mainhand with Deadly and Steel Bladebreaker offhand with Instant ... or should I have Instant on the slower mainhand again?

Last edited by Sicar : 02/23/10 at 1:12 AM.

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Old 02/23/10, 12:32 AM   #14037
codyface
 
Human Warrior
 
Blackhand
Quick question about str vs arp for arms

I've been trying to figuire this out for a while and havent found a definitive answer listed in the forums so i figuired i'd just post it.

I recently picked up some gear that put my armor pen over %70 and thought it would be best to swap some arp gems for str gems to keep my arp level as close to %70 as possible. Since battle stance gives me an exta %10 and sunder armor an extra %20 i figuired anything over %70 from gear and gems would put me over %100 during a boss fight, and be a waste.

My arp is currently at 968 or %69.12. I've checked wow hereos and looked at arp levels of top arms warriors on other realms and i've seen arp levels as high as 1250, so i though there might be a flaw in my logic.

Should still be gemming apr, and to what level?

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Old 02/23/10, 1:22 AM   #14038
Hellscream
Glass Joe
 
Worgen Warrior
 
Frostmourne
Originally Posted by codyface View Post
I've been trying to figuire this out for a while and havent found a definitive answer listed in the forums so i figuired i'd just post it.

I recently picked up some gear that put my armor pen over %70 and thought it would be best to swap some arp gems for str gems to keep my arp level as close to %70 as possible. Since battle stance gives me an exta %10 and sunder armor an extra %20 i figuired anything over %70 from gear and gems would put me over %100 during a boss fight, and be a waste.

My arp is currently at 968 or %69.12. I've checked wow hereos and looked at arp levels of top arms warriors on other realms and i've seen arp levels as high as 1250, so i though there might be a flaw in my logic.

Should still be gemming apr, and to what level?
Effect from Sunder Armor and Faerie Fire applies BEFORE your ArP. It means if boss has 10k armor, your ArP is 70%, sunder applies, then it has 8k armor left, then your ArP rating penetrates 70% x 8k = 5600 armor, boss has 2400 armor left.

You should gem ArP till it reachs 100% passive (included 10% from BS)

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Old 02/23/10, 1:29 AM   #14039
Danen3
Von Kaiser
 
Dwarf Rogue
 
Dragonmaw
Sicar, use the spreadsheet to find out which dagger setup gives you the best dps.

As a general rule:

A) Always have at least one fast dagger
B) Put the highest dps dagger in your mainhand regardless of speed
C) Put Deadly on the fast dagger no matter where it is. If you have two fast daggers..Deadly on the mainhand.

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Old 02/23/10, 1:44 AM   #14040
weeesh
Glass Joe
 
Undead Rogue
 
Gorefiend
Originally Posted by Sicar View Post
Hey guys, new here.

Is the 10 man LK dagger horrible? I have Heroic versions of Twin Spike and SteelBlade Breaker but no matter how I arrange my gear to make the expertise acceptable on the dagger to use .... my DPS goes WAY down. It's not making sense in my head.

I just got Heaven's Fall off Arthas so it doesn't really matter but .... yeah.

I currently run Steel Bladebreaker mainhand with Deadly and Twin Spike offhand with Instant. Should I know go Heaven's Fall mainhand with Deadly and Steel Bladebreaker offhand with Instant ... or should I have Instant on the slower mainhand again?
Are you expertise capped without the dagger equipped? This may be a simple answer to your question.

If not, bear in mind the LK 10m dagger is ilvl 258 without a socket. Twin Spike Heroic is a very, very optimized dagger (Hit/Haste/Ap/Yellow Socket), so its hard for the 258 LK 10m weapon to surpass it, especially if you're expertise capped.

Like the above post, consult the sheet.

Edit: Re-read your post; re-arranging your gear may drop your other stats down so that even though the expertise matters enough, your other stats may suffer too much. Like you said, you just got the 25m LK dagger, so its not an issue.

Last edited by weeesh : 02/23/10 at 1:52 AM.

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