Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 951

griz74 · 02/27/10, 11:58 AM

four months ago i left the game do to family stuff now i have come bk and trying to get bk into the grove of things i want to try MM i need a good spec and rotation the will maxumize my dps for my spec so i can do the dps i need in Icc 10man plz help

Giloran · 02/27/10, 12:49 PM

I'm currently working on an addon for which I need some sample stat weights for Holy Priests (in the way PP works for Shadows). I know this is a little bit difficult for healers in general, especially in how to value mana regen vs hps. Nevertheless, I'd appreciate any estimation on stat weights in early t10-content, it doesn't need to be perfect or universally valid.

Thanks in advance.

failoria · 02/27/10, 12:58 PM

Anyone have any idea how much value ArP is going to lose with this patch? I really hope it's not much because I've spent the past few months working on getting my ArP up to acceptable levels for t10. If it drops a lot, I'm going to consider switching over to frost since their new values are looking close to the current unholy ones, so my gear should carry over well. The only downside to that is getting a hold of slow 264 1h weapons is kind of a pain. I'm really getting tired of completely regearing my dk every single patch

Foetsie · 02/27/10, 12:59 PM

Hi, I’m a rogue so please don’t shoot me for not being 100% up to date on paladin mechanics. I’m also a raid leader and recently we have been having quite a few wipes where tanks that were supposed to be beaconed died. The paladin that was assigned to keep his beacon up claims it was up and he was spamming his heals at the time of death. The lack of healing is attributed to a delay between the heal landing on his target and the beacon target receiving the heal. I’ve looked around a bit on the forums here but I couldn’t find anything mentioned in the major holy posts here so I’m hoping one of you guys here could help me out with an answer or directions on where to find it.

So my questions are:
- Is there such a delay with beacon healing and is it big enough to make beacon healing unreliable?
- If there is such a delay is it stable so that if you spam heal all your beacon heals land at the same intervals or does it vary per cast and can therefore create variance in the interval between heals?
- Are any other paladins having similar issues and if so, how do you deal with them?

Thanks in advance for any advice you guys might have for me.

Nameht · 02/27/10, 2:32 PM

I need some help. I'm iffy about gemming full arp and going blood. As of right now if I did this I would only be at 73% ArP w/ Blood gorged and without a DBW. Is 73% worth the hassle?

Im working on getting t10 chest and the frost badge arp cloak.

dotcow · 02/27/10, 3:18 PM

I've been trolling the forums looking for a list of bis trinkets that include naxx & OS....does anyone know where I can find one? I currently have spyglass, illustration, nmic and abyssal rune and am wondering which two to use for Demonology and destruction

Gohanelite · 02/27/10, 3:47 PM

I have a question regarding how to gem my rogue.

I have chatted with many very good rogues and the general suggestion has been to gem for AP since poison damage is based off of AP. However the counter-argument I've encountered is to gem for agility since it gives rogues AP and crit. Also raid buffs (kings, mark of the wild, etc.) will increase agility and thus AP while our base AP is not affected by these buffs.

The final part to my question is whether I should gem differently dependent upon spec. Some have suggested gemming agility for combat and AP for assassination. Suggestions regarding all of this?

Minchu · 02/27/10, 5:20 PM

I just need some advice please. First and foremost here is a link to my armory

The World of Warcraft Armory - Minchu @ Kalecgos - Profile

I had a good this this week and received [Death's Choice] , [Citadel Enforcer's Claymore] , and [Scourgelord Gauntlets]

Now I put all these into RAWR and ran optimize, and it is telling me that I should gem the gauntlets and the claymore with straight up 20 crit, as well as replace some of my 20 str with 10str & 10 crit (my ashen ring and bracers for example).

But according to my stat weights, I know that crit is by far my third stat for blood. But what I don't know is if there is a certain AP or ARP level that crit becomes a more beneficial stat? Currently with DC equipped I am at just over 5500 AP un-buffed with about 50% arp.

So any input to this would be great, oh and I know I am way over the exp cap, im saving up primordial saronite to get the crafted legs made, which would solve some of that problem

Dippyskoodlez · 02/27/10, 7:45 PM

Originally Posted by Eviljamjar

Ahhah, aye i've been poking arround a bit, seems the only way to get a larger heal is more HP *Shrug*
However, this brings me onto another point. Not sure if it's already been coverred, but itemization for ICC?
Seeing with the 20% drop in dodge, are we going to try and make that up or ignore it and invest elsewhere?

The only "stats" to invest in, are stamina, dodge, parry, block, and hit/expertise. Parry isn't superbly worth more than dodge even after DR, block isn't much at all, and too expensive for stacking, hit/expertise cap out and dont mitigate as much as dodge/parry.

So that leaves stamina/armor, followed by dodge/parry.

Aka, same old, same old. Just you get hit a little more often in ICC.

Jabz · 02/27/10, 7:52 PM

So now that were in line for hard mode loot I've thought a lot about whether I want to stay Mutilate or go for combat gear.

My reasoning to even stay Mutilate after the nerf was just because my gear demands I stay that way. It's of my best impressions that were pretty much in the same boat we were during TOGC. Mutilate is good single target damage, most likely better than combat but it's not viable.

I'm currently off-speccing combat for:

1. Hard-mode Marrowgar
2. Hard-mode Lady Death
3. Gunship
4. Valithria Dreamwalker
5. Lich King (this being the most important fight is almost reason enough)

I've even heard of combat being better on Putricide and Princes but have my personal reasons to stay Mut on those. (Mainly for fleet footed)

So I can imagine I'm not the only one who's still sort of on the fence between the two specs. I really enjoy trying for top parses which is one of the reasons I do want to stay Mutilate, and let's face it. If I give up my mutilate set and try to get a combat set in order, I won't be anywhere near a top rated combat gear set for at least several weeks.

Here's my current Mutilate set:
The World of Warcraft Armory - Foker @ Lothar - Profile

Here's what I have for Combat:

264 black Bruise MH
258 Stygian Bladebreaker OH
264 Sanctified Shadowblade Helmet
251 Shadowblade Pauldrons
264 Shadowvault Slayer's Cloak
251 Chestguard of the frigid Noose
258 Armbands of Dark Determination
264 Cat Burglar's Grips
264 Astrylian's Sutured Cinch
264 Sanctified Shadowblade Legplates
258 Icewalker Treads
277 Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance
277 Band of the Bone Colossus
264 Herkuml War Token
264 Whispering Fanged Skull
264 Shrapnel Star

My current displayed Mutilate dps is 11821.2 on Aldriana's mutilate sheet.

My current displayed combat dps is 11134.3 on aldriana's combat sheet.

It'd be an easier decision if there weren't simple upgrades that could put my combat dps within range. For instance I'm a likely candidate if a heroic 277 Bloodvenom Blade drops. I already have the 264 off hand Scourgeborn Waraxe but haven't seen the sword drop yet. If I received the 277 sword and decided to make the switch with gems my combat dps would be 11431.

After that I'd pretty much just hope for a few lucky arp drops in Hard mode Icc 10 and I'd be well on my way. So is it worth the trouble to make the switch or should I just keep working on my already decent Mutilate set? I can't decide.

Shunda · 02/27/10, 8:28 PM

Just wondering if any one has considered this as an optional setup:

Alliance 10% - Profiler - Wowhead
Alliance 13% - Profiler - Wowhead

Both are based purely on 264 gear, and some ToGC gear. With the loot updated for LK I know this isn't the BIS list, but just wanted some insight into this list.

From what I linked it puts us a little over hit cap for both, but it keeps us as close to 3k SP, 1200 Haste Rating as possible.

Vibrátes · 02/27/10, 8:44 PM

Can anyone advise where i am to add into simcraft to show that i use a flame cap when i hit sub 35% on patchwerk style itteration to conincide with decimation and to confirm this itteration uses meta at the same time?

appologies for spam and also if this is the incorrect thread

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actions+=/demonic_empowerment
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actions+=/corruption
actions+=/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90
actions+=/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=28
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actions+=/incinerate,molten_core=1
actions+=/shadow_bolt
actions+=/life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
actions+=/life_tap
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ranged=petrified_ivy_sprig,stats=29hit_45sp_26sta_19int_22spi,gems=10haste_12sp_4spi
tabard=purple_trophy_tabard_of_the_illidari
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# gear_strength=10
# gear_agility=10
# gear_stamina=1196
# gear_intellect=1188
# gear_spirit=267
# gear_spell_power=2966
# gear_hit_rating=356
# gear_crit_rating=789
# gear_haste_rating=890
# gear_armor=2184
# meta_gem=chaotic_skyflare
# tier10_2pc_caster=1
# tier10_4pc_caster=1
# main_hand=blade_of_tarasque,weapon=dagger_1.80speed_108.12min_342.12max

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race=human
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actions+=/spell_stone
actions+=/fel_armor
actions+=/summon_pet,felguard
actions+=/snapshot_stats
actions+=/life_tap,buff_refresh=1
actions+=/wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1
actions+=/demonic_empowerment
actions+=/life_tap,trigger=14000,health_percentage>=35,metamorphosis=0
actions+=/metamorphosis
actions+=/immolation
actions+=/corruption
actions+=/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90
actions+=/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=28
actions+=/immolate
actions+=/soul_fire,decimation=1
actions+=/incinerate,molten_core=1
actions+=/shadow_bolt
actions+=/life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
actions+=/life_tap
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neck=amulet_of_the_silent_eulogy,stats=52hit_60haste_97sp_69sta_69int,gems=10haste_12 sp_5sp
shoulders=sanctified_dark_coven_shoulderpads,stats=265armor_80crit_72haste_132sp_92st a_92int,gems=10haste_12sp_5sp,enchant=70sp_15crit
chest=sanctified_dark_coven_robe,stats=354armor_108crit_92haste_171sp_123sta_123int,g ems=23sp_10haste_12sp_7sp,enchant=10str_10agi_10sta_10int_10spi
waist=circle_of_ossus,stats=199armor_80haste_122sp_92sta_92int_64spi,gems=12sp_10spi_ 23sp_23sp_7sp
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# gear_agility=10
# gear_stamina=1196
# gear_intellect=1188
# gear_spirit=267
# gear_spell_power=2966
# gear_hit_rating=356
# gear_crit_rating=789
# gear_haste_rating=890
# gear_armor=2184
# meta_gem=chaotic_skyflare
# tier10_2pc_caster=1
# tier10_4pc_caster=1
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_Wullie_ · 02/28/10, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by Metalline

Anyone tested [Trauma] yet? Is it any worth sacrificing haste, mp5, and some int from [Lockjaw]?

[Lockjaw] gets my vote each & every time.

pompus · 02/28/10, 1:58 AM

For me shadow's edge is approximately 180 dps increase over bryn...so ya its worth it in my opinion.

Solarion · 02/28/10, 2:49 AM

What should my general strategy be regarding badge purchases as Elemental? Would I be better off picking up Resto pieces and relying on raid drops for my ele set?