Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 954

staffythemage · 03/01/10, 12:19 AM

so i need help badly i have no idea about the abbarations that are used and i cant find the hit cap that is required for arcane.

micronSD · 03/01/10, 2:13 AM

Does the Frost sub-spec have a significant effect on the uptime of Fallen Crusader?

DSSllohcin · 03/01/10, 2:36 AM

Elistists Jerks is a good name...

Confuseman · 03/01/10, 3:05 AM

Hi, sorry for borrow y with a noob question:
In your spreadsheet Combat_1.5.1-5xls i didn.t find the folow items:
- Head: Mask of Lethal Intent,
- Pants: Garona's Legplates of Conquest,
- Gloves: Garona's Gauntles of Conquest,
- Trinket: Shard of the Crystal Head.
Can y put this items, if is possible, because i can't discovered my silly mistakes on my rogue character Lizzy on Sylvanas.I must discovered my mistakes because my DPS is suks, about 3.6k .
If y have same advices i became very greatfull for its.
Ty for your understanding.

Railz · 03/01/10, 3:11 AM

Originally Posted by Curtis

Unless I am mistaken, you have two benefits from refreshing the serpent sting while under a % buff :
*the serpentsting itself will hit harder
*the "chimera - serpentsing" shot (40%dmg of current SrS) will hit harder

You screwed the second one, didn't you ?

Actually no, the chimera-serpent should be not affected afaik

Purelybetter · 03/01/10, 4:08 AM

Im 90% sure you would want to use Dual-Blade Butcher in your off-hand because it was said somewhere on here that Bryntroll in your off-hand is equivalent to Aesir's Edge... from Ulduar...

Vlane · 03/01/10, 5:02 AM

This is a question from a non-warrior: One of our Fury warrior just so happens to have two Bryntrolls. I've read in the Fury discussion that it's not a good idea to use both since you don't get a lot of off-hand proccs. Before that he had the Saurfang 10-man weapon (non-heroic). I asked him if he saw a DPS increase and he told me yes, now I can't really believe that so I want to check that.

Could someone tell me real quick if it really is a DPS increase to have Bryntroll twice instead of Bryntroll/Saurfang weapon.

I could just use a simulator or something like that, yes, but I'm at work right now so that's not possible.

Thanks.

Matanji · 03/01/10, 5:07 AM

Originally Posted by melgrekk

Thanks for the idea of using that seed to reapply the corruption with the 4p bonus and nmic. In the end, I should wait to activate the nmic until I get the 4p bonus then?
Also Was reading through the gemming part of the article. Up until Now I had been gemming all the yellow slots with the plus 20 haste. is the 12SP 10 Haste really that much better? I've almost reached the 1 sec cast of UA and Haunt with my current level of haste and I am slightly confused on whether or not I should sacrifice some for some SP.

Use Simcraft to determine ur stat values - calculate ur stat values. personaly in my last simc 12sp and 10 haste equals to 20.353 sp for my gear and with standard +5 sp socket bonus that is 25 spell power instead of normal 23sp gem, when it's obvious that 23 sp is better than 20 haste+5 sp socket bonus, unless u got really low haste.
23 sp > 12sp 10 haste > 20 haste, but 12sp/10haste with socket bonus is usualy better than 23 sp.

Vlane · 03/01/10, 5:17 AM

Originally Posted by Paratrooper1508

I just got the non heroic Cryptmaker, and I'm currently using Bryntroll. Assuming I'm at the hit cap already, which is better? I would just add up the EP's for Unholy but I dont really know how to valuate Bryntroll's current proc.

Can someone give me some suggestions for Unholy dps and assuming all the hit wouldn't be used? My sim is reporting Bryn as still better, but I dont know if Team Robot WoW Simulator is up to date on Bryn's proc or perhaps flawed in some other way unkown to me.

IIRC Cryptmaker is better than Bryntroll since the nerf but you might want a second opionion on that or you test it yourself.

nathanaos · 03/01/10, 5:22 AM

Originally Posted by Vlane

This is a question from a non-warrior: One of our Fury warrior just so happens to have two Bryntrolls. I've read in the Fury discussion that it's not a good idea to use both since you don't get a lot of off-hand proccs. Before that he had the Saurfang 10-man weapon (non-heroic). I asked him if he saw a DPS increase and he told me yes, now I can't really believe that so I want to check that.

Could someone tell me real quick if it really is a DPS increase to have Bryntroll twice instead of Bryntroll/Saurfang weapon.

I could just use a simulator or something like that, yes, but I'm at work right now so that's not possible.

Thanks.

well you could use landsoul's spreadsheet and import his profile from the armory...
but the problem of using 2 Bryntrolls is not the off-hand procs... its that you lose ALOT of stats... there's basically no way
you can get Arp/Hit/Exp caps with 2 Bryntrolls unless you totally gimp your gear or have full 277 items.

as a side note... Bryntroll as OH isn't that bad as everyone claims... it's better than any of the 251 icc10 weapons as long as you can keep the Arp/Hit/Exp caps.

nathanaos · 03/01/10, 5:30 AM

Originally Posted by dcbohn

OK I do decent damage on mobs in ICC but I think my DPS could be higher on bosses. My question that everyone seems to have a differenct opinion on is, on bosses (ICC specific) am I better of dualing Bryntroll/Dual butcher or using two Bryntrolls.

depends which Dual Blade Butcher... if you have the 245 then the Bryntroll is better IF you can keep the ArP cap without the DBB

thegodfather · 03/01/10, 5:44 AM

do we have any data on which spec is top DPS now DW frost or UH ( or are they both close enough that we can pick the one whose playstyle we like the most).

nathanaos · 03/01/10, 5:47 AM

Originally Posted by Purelybetter

Im 90% sure you would want to use Dual-Blade Butcher in your off-hand because it was said somewhere on here that Bryntroll in your off-hand is equivalent to Aesir's Edge... from Ulduar...

not everything that is written here is holds the undisputed truth. Bryntroll is far from an optimal warrior OH... or MH for that mater... but that doesn't mean it's garbage...

as a fury warrior you do 14-15% of your dps from melee white dmg... that is your Offhand hits... so there is pretty much no way a ilvl232 ulduar wep with 232 DPS like Aesir's is gonna beat a 294 DPS wep like Bryntroll... and also bigger melee hits means more rage

and as OH it used to do 1.5% of my dmg with the proc (i have 260 average ilvl exp/hit/arp capped) which isn't as great as MH but it is better than nothing...

Basically if you have ilvl 232/245 Bryntroll will almost always be an upgrade (no brainer here wep DPS cannot be worked arround without changing the wep... while arp/hit/exp caps you can fix by swapping other gear around/regeming)
If you have an icc251 wep then it may be better than Bryntroll depending on how much you need the hit/expertise/arp from it.
If you have 258(togc25 or arthas) then it will probably be better than Bryntroll as OH because the small wep dps gain and proc won't compensate for the huge loss in stats.

Nobble · 03/01/10, 6:38 AM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

do we have any data on which spec is top DPS now DW frost or UH ( or are they both close enough that we can pick the one whose playstyle we like the most).

As far as I understand DW Frost is the only spec we discuss here..

why DW UH when 2hander UH does more damage?

brandofriva · 03/01/10, 6:51 AM

Originally Posted by nathanaos

not everything that is written here is holds the undisputed truth. Bryntroll is far from an optimal warrior OH... or MH for that mater... but that doesn't mean it's garbage...

as a fury warrior you do 14-15% of your dps from melee white dmg... that is your Offhand hits... so there is pretty much no way a ilvl232 ulduar wep with 232 DPS like Aesir's is gonna beat a 294 DPS wep like Bryntroll... and also bigger melee hits means more rage

Out of curiosity I checked my Landsoul's spreadsheet with my setup. Funny enough in the offhand slot Aesir's comes ahead of Bryntroll in the offhand by a little. I dont know of any proc calculation issues with Bryntroll so I'm assuming it pretty accurate.