Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 966

Larisroth · 02/08/11, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by xazrael13

After looking at the EP values for trinkets, it shows [Mark of Khardros] being better than even License To Slay. Is this just a faulty value, or did the change in mastery really make this better?

[Mark of Khardros] = 864 ep value

[License to Slay] = 642 ep value

License to Slay should definitely be better if you can use all the hit rating. The EP calculation was probably being made while being hit capped or partially hit capped.

Thepiegod · 02/08/11, 10:38 PM

Was thinking that scarlet fever might be worth having the points in it now for a fourth disease to have our attacks scale off of because of it being applied by blood plague and not blood boil. Was wondering if someone could run some numbers on this.

Xenden · 02/08/11, 10:50 PM

A friend asked me to post for him. He was asking that since blue maces are better due to the expertise bonus of dwarves. Would a tanking mace with a higher weapon dps be better than one of the blue maces that are better itemized for an enhance shaman.

Darkaeth · 02/08/11, 11:35 PM

Not sure if we're using different pieces or not.

The gear I'm using usually has master + 1 other stat. however, I'm favouring more of a Master/Stamina build. Though I might change my Chimera gems to pure master instead of Stamina.

I need to work on my reforges, trying my best to have a minimum of 5% hit and about 20 expertise, and with the current changes I feel like I need to be capped on both. Or else my STD's might not be applied, but yet at the same time, I'm not sure if it's worth the cost of that extra DS.

Xygor · 02/08/11, 11:54 PM

What do you guys think about Crushing Weight vs. License to Slay after the patch - does the hard STR benefit more even with the haste proc now that HIT value is lessened?

biznored · 02/08/11, 11:59 PM

I raided today on my shaman, did a little testing beforehand. on use spirit trinkets were not working with mana tide, however jar was, and it also worked out to be 500%(100% higher than the tooltip) which oddly enough was the same % higher as it was post patch. i never saw anyone mention anything about how the tooltip said 350% but in reality gave 450%.

also as for the buffs, i feel like i can tinker with my spec and the way i combine spells(focus + unleashed) but it doens't seem to help all that much in compairison to the other classes. i think we're still way behind all of the other healers by a lot, chimaron is the only fight where our class shines.

i've tried gemming all int, all haste, all spirit(as i am right now to play around with being a mana battery) maybe i should just switch to a tank healer role, being able to hit a 55k+ GHW on the tank is pretty baller for known incoming damage

Bobfred21 · 02/09/11, 12:00 AM

Delete post.

Rostes · 02/09/11, 12:29 AM

Any info on how quality bear tanks evolve with the changes would be greatly appreciated... I am guessing we will need to drop some reforged dodge for another stat. But any advice from you guys/gals that are good with the math will be greatly appreciated... well back to rawr to see what I can find.

Implement · 02/09/11, 12:42 AM

Has anyone else noticed a significant drop in DPS since the patch or is this just me?

Assassin1344 · 02/09/11, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by Admired

Yes, a Bane of Havoc guide.

Anyways, for Twilight Ascendant Council, there has been rumors and discussions on other forums
about just applying BoH to any of the first 2 bosses in P2. This is viable because your BoH
buff does not go away when Ingacious or Feludius teleports away.

If there is more testing to prove this, placing BoH on one of these 2 will definitely be a DPS increase.

I always put it on Ignacious and leave it on him until the monstrosity forms. I can usually get him to ~19% so we have to deal that much less damage to him.

gingertonic · 02/09/11, 1:02 AM

Originally Posted by Implement

Has anyone else noticed a significant drop in DPS since the patch or is this just me?

We didn't get nerfed, other classes got buffed.

gingertonic · 02/09/11, 1:05 AM

edit: i should read the blue post thread...

the grinder · 02/09/11, 1:13 AM

I have 6.04 haste or 773 ,and 10.06 crit and 14.24 or 1118 mastery,should i nerf more crit for mastery?
and yes hit and exp are capped

Broken89 · 02/09/11, 1:19 AM

After reading through this thread. Would my conclusion be correct if I was to say that sub 20% our rotation would look like this. Stack executioner up to 5x CS>BT>RB>Execute tell dead ?

glick · 02/09/11, 1:21 AM

Doing that won't actually affect the monstrosity's hp in phase 3

Origins · 02/09/11, 2:18 AM

So Haste does indeed seem to be better than crit. I'd noticed this with another frost DK with similar gear putting out quite more dps than me and I couldn't figure out the reason.

vo1os · 02/09/11, 2:21 AM

Originally Posted by Estha

I disagree. This usually depends on your guilds strategy. Our 3 warlocks pull the infernal in the second black phase. Immolation should be quite powerful against the vile swills (meta is not ready in most cases), while it seems to be a complete multitarget damage loss (in terms of critical damage needed) when the important 15 seconds in the green phase are over. 9-10 Infernal awakening hits plus 40% wont make up 60s of immolation against 5 targets, where damage is necessary - and hence you have only one infernal per attempt your raid dps should be high enough to deal the aberrations without it (and in most cases, it does). Don't forget you will lose some hellfire ticks as well while casting infernal.

From yesterday log:
Infernal awakening 532846 Damage 7hits 3crits

It' a HALF_MILLION_DAMAGE from a GCD-length-cast.

Don't forger that 15 sec of Infernal's immolate on 10 targets with +100% damage debuff is like 15 * 2 * 2 = 60 sec on 5 normal targets + it still lives 30 more seconds.
Just showing you the best way to use infernal. If your guild tactic doesn't allow you to use it best way then it's very sad (

Also used Immolate on slime in this log. And meta+Immolate on abberations 10 sec before the green phase.

p.s. 36k dps yesterday. I know what i'm talking about.

Cangiz · 02/09/11, 2:23 AM

Originally Posted by glick

Doing that won't actually affect the monstrosity's hp in phase 3

Is this confirmed? From my understanding, the monstrosity takes the "final" hp of all four targets added together.

Assassynd · 02/09/11, 2:43 AM

Hi,
I am new to the forum so please excuse me if I ask a dum question. I am trying to learn the INS and outs of the fury warrior and I am way behind where I think my DPS should be. I have noticed on other classes there is a very in depth guide for how to run the character. Ranging from talent build to rotation priority to glyphs, enchants and so on. I have not found one yet for us fury warriors. If there is one, where could I locate it? Also what stats are most important to us out of hit, haste, crit strike rating, mastery and so on

Thanks

Assassynd

Humadrgnbane · 02/09/11, 2:44 AM

Hey guys, I was just wondering what the general stance on the new alchemy trinket is compared to the other available 359s? 351 strength and 194 mastery would seem to be quite good comparatively.

kottonmouth · 02/09/11, 2:52 AM

Had [Fury of Angerforge] fall of on 4 stacks right before I pop AW and had it fall off multiple times with 5 stacks. The trinket seems too rng atm or im super unlucky. It needs to be changed to just On use or On hit. Anyone else had anything like this since the patch?

Oldj · 02/09/11, 2:55 AM

Originally Posted by Oldj

Its just that I get a couple of errors:
When i run it the first time it says "Config::General The file "reforger.cfg" does not exist! at /Users/Johan/reforger/reforger.pl line 68"
But if i change this line "my $config_file = "/Users/Johan/reforger/reforger.cfg";" I get a new error.

Use of uninitialized value $ARGV[0] in string eq at /Users/Johan/reforger/reforger.pl line 255.
Use of uninitialized value in addition (+) at /Users/Johan/reforger/reforger.pl line 288.
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Use of uninitialized value in numeric eq (==) at /Users/Johan/reforger/reforger.pl line 411.
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Use of uninitialized value in subroutine entry at /Users/Johan/reforger/reforger.pl line 713.

What i can read out of it is that im not allowed to add the correct adress to reforger.cfg in reforger.pl. How do i fix this?

No ideas?????

Averna69 · 02/09/11, 2:56 AM

Originally Posted by Darian_TruBlade

Fury no longer stacks Hit as of 4.0.6. Assuming you gear appropriately you will rarely have any rage that needs dumping, and will want to save what rage you have in case you run into a miss streak. As a result you should not be using Heroic Strike often enough for Incite to be a worthwhile talent save in a few high damage fights such as Chimaeron.

It is a DPS increase in such cases and you can still spend the points there if you wish, but in many situations, arguably a large majority, it will do exactly or almost nothing. Temper this with experience however, you may your rage generation enough to warrant it regardless.

What would be a good % to keep our hit around now? Should we be reforging the items we put hit on to reach a high hit % to crit and mastery now?

Morket · 02/09/11, 3:01 AM

cancelled ( error )

venrex · 02/09/11, 3:12 AM

i am seeing some very strange result on rawr as arcane mage too.

When chosing trinkets i am getting a result saying that Theralion's Mirror (359) is nearly a 3k dps upgrade over shard of woe. and putting Arcane into way ahead of fire in dps witch does seem abit odd.

it has a hard time handling the engineering head too refusing to gem it.

and lastly i am getting the same problem as some one else wrote with optimiser finding a much lower result than current.

is it some option i have checked wrong?