Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 970

Unreal54 · 03/08/10, 3:58 PM

As it stands I believe Blood is currently better for absolute single target dps, but only slightly and its only really for fight suchs as DBS, Festergut, BQL. So with this new ICC buff gaining 5% every 2 weeks (I think) Blood will once again rain supreme spec since the small gap of dps will only become larger when the % increases?

Also, am I correct in assume to max out single target dps for Unholy we use GoD instead of GoDD & Ninja Tricks off the Rogues for the pull?

Troyzilla · 03/08/10, 4:14 PM

Joining this thread.

What are the spreadsheet pros/cons on charge -> rend opening vs just a strait bloodrage auto/BT/WW opening?

I was just BR opening and didn't really notice any problems in my raid last night after playing arms for about 6+ months.

Jaron · 03/08/10, 5:22 PM

Rogue (Forums / Talent Calculator)
Glyphs
Glyph of Feint now reduces the energy cost of Feint by 20. (Up from 10)
Glyph of Expose Armor now increases the duration of Expose Armor by 12 sec. (Up from 10 sec)
Glyph of Deadly Throw now increases the slowing effect on Deadly Throw by 20%. (Up from 10%)

It seems the Glyph of Feint might actually be worth using now for fights with heavy AE; such as Sindragosa.

alexader1989 · 03/08/10, 5:30 PM

Was wondering if it would be worth it to spec into morbidity and sudden doom and glyph dark death as opposed to glyphing DRW and specing into it this spec drops Imp IT and DRW aswell as 2 points in butchery (Spell reflection could be droped for Imp IT)

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

saritage · 03/08/10, 6:34 PM

Hi im using x2 lungbreakers and i wonder on which one i should use DP on mh or oh or does it really even matter?Thx for reply..

Jistly · 03/08/10, 7:47 PM

Hello, I'd just like to ask if the Agility ashen verdict ring is really better than STR one, in theory it doesn't seem probable that agi would beat str for ret, I'd check it in rawr but it hasn't been modeled properly yet.Thanks!

dougman276 · 03/08/10, 8:00 PM

frost tank, ua.....is it worht it when ur already armor capped? or would switching to blood like i did better?

Wïllow · 03/08/10, 9:08 PM

OMG I have to use that!

Gladien · 03/08/10, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by Thundale

Confusion....I see most Fury Warriors gemming for Armor Pen....Yet landsouls calc still tells me to gem strength. In Fury Warrior FAQ here on Elitist Jerks, it states:

Q: What are my stat priorities?
A: Get 8% hit (including Precision), 26 Expertise. After that, Strength > ArP > Crit > Agi = 2AP = Haste > Hit.

The above is how I have gone about things yet I keep hearing how I need to re-gem.

Yes, Armor Penetration is the way to go for Fury Warriors. If anyone or anything tells you to gem Strength when you haven't reached ArP cap, do not listen. Just obtain gear high in ArP which alot of the ICC gear has and gem for it. And for ArP procs go.. Using ArP procs such as what Grim Toll, Mjolnir Runestone, Needle Encrusted Scorpion, and Executioner provides are absolutely garbage to rely on to reach ArP cap. If ArP is the highest stat priority which scales higher DPS than STR/AP, then you would not want it to be a proc with a limited duration to reach higher %'s of ArP. Procs provide alot of RNG which involves alot of random factors that may not allow you to take full advantage of the procs duration (ex: rend proc while away from target, movement cordinated fights, bad timing in rotation(s), etc..) which no spreadsheet can determine. It's better to gem ArP and have a passive of ~65%+ ArP than to be capped relying on a proc with around ~52 to 58% passive ArP depending on what trinket you are using to reach the ArP cap. I have tried the ~52% Passive ArP w/ Needle Encrusted Scorpion to reach ArP cap and I can tell you the results were terrible compared to gemming full ArP. I regemmed all my slots with +20 ArP and got rid of Needle Encrusted Scorpion. I'm still not ArP capped and im sitting at a little over 90% ArP passively. The change was considerably noticable as a huge increase in DPS/Damage. If you are sitting at ~20% to ~30% ArP ungemmed, then yeah, it would probably be a good idea in having use of a ArP proc to help elevate your ArP but not to depend on it to cap or continue to use if you can reach ~65%+ ArP by gemming.

And for priortizing it can depend, you also need to take in consideration your raid buffs, self buffs, etc.. but here it goes as follows:
5% Hit > 26 MH Expertise > 100% Passive ArP > Strength > Crit (until capped) > Haste

loxis · 03/09/10, 2:17 AM

that is great

loxis · 03/09/10, 2:19 AM

thanks,the ui are all i need

Sorrowblade · 03/09/10, 4:21 AM

Hi Everypone.

In need some help

well to be presice lots of help. Ive played a DK for some time and thought I had a fairly good unserstanding of the class. but I'm serious struggeling
with my DPS - its more of a tickle really . I have read lots of posts and opentions on the best setup and understnad that it really comes down to what suites your playing style.

So Im blood with the 51/20 split. The only difference is I have not put any points in Blood worms as I was under the impression they can take up raid healing. Here is a link to my armory page The World of Warcraft Armory - Sorrowblade @ Terokkar - Profile,,,

on a traiing dummy I can not get passed 3.5k In raids its starts of good 5k but will very quickly drop to 3.2k and stay there.. the rotation I use is the standered,. IT-PS-HS-HS-DS-DC - - DS-HS-HS-HS-HS - DC-DC and start all over again - I assuming it must be to do with my rotation. Unfortuinalty I can't use any of the tools to work out what my dps should be as im a mac user (yes yes) so really any pointers to what im obviously missing wodl be greatly appericated.

thanks in advance

Sorrowblade./

thugie · 03/09/10, 4:35 AM

Peps I am so confused (must be old age)
1st of thanks for letting me in as i get better i hope to be able to help as well.
I have a disc pirest and hes gemmed up for spellpower and decently dressed up and enchants. but i did a toc10 and was given the task of healing the 2 tanks, I could not do the job. i used shields but even though the tanks were geared i could just not do it they needed healing faster than i could cast. I looked at your notes and the scare the hell out of me

. i only just know how to turn this thing of and on. could someone plz tell me what the caps are so that i can play with gems and try and get it near and see if that helps, if you want to have a nose you are more than wellcome its on terokkar and called thepadre any adivce gratefully accepted as i hate letting players down thank you
teh thug

Thunderstrucker · 03/09/10, 7:59 AM

Thanks for your answer.
I always thought that 15% chance is too low to spec it, also I never heard of the 5x1 rotation until I joined this forum. I looked it up and it makes sense as well. Yet, with revitalize specced there isnt any room for having living seed too in the 'haste'-build and no room for speccing Living Spirit to the fullest as well.
I never thought haste is THAT important to a restodruid but it turns out its more important then I thought it was, worth more then spirit. That's some new things for me to take with me when I will respec and reglyph my druid tonight

MildCorma · 03/09/10, 8:02 AM

Originally Posted by Gladien

Yes, Armor Penetration is the way to go for Fury Warriors. If anyone or anything tells you to gem Strength when you haven't reached ArP cap, do not listen. Just obtain gear high in ArP which alot of the ICC gear has and gem for it. And for ArP procs go.. Using ArP procs such as what Grim Toll, Mjolnir Runestone, Needle Encrusted Scorpion, and Executioner provides are absolutely garbage to rely on to reach ArP cap. If ArP is the highest stat priority which scales higher DPS than STR/AP, then you would not want it to be a proc with a limited duration to reach higher %'s of ArP. Procs provide alot of RNG which involves alot of random factors that may not allow you to take full advantage of the procs duration (ex: rend proc while away from target, movement cordinated fights, bad timing in rotation(s), etc..) which no spreadsheet can determine. It's better to gem ArP and have a passive of ~65%+ ArP than to be capped relying on a proc with around ~52 to 58% passive ArP depending on what trinket you are using to reach the ArP cap. I have tried the ~52% Passive ArP w/ Needle Encrusted Scorpion to reach ArP cap and I can tell you the results were terrible compared to gemming full ArP. I regemmed all my slots with +20 ArP and got rid of Needle Encrusted Scorpion. I'm still not ArP capped and im sitting at a little over 90% ArP passively. The change was considerably noticable as a huge increase in DPS/Damage. If you are sitting at ~20% to ~30% ArP ungemmed, then yeah, it would probably be a good idea in having use of a ArP proc to help elevate your ArP but not to depend on it to cap or continue to use if you can reach ~65%+ ArP by gemming.

And for priortizing it can depend, you also need to take in consideration your raid buffs, self buffs, etc.. but here it goes as follows:
5% Hit > 26 MH Expertise > 100% Passive ArP > Strength > Crit (until capped) > Haste

Whilst you are correct about Arp being the best stat, you aren't taking into account a few very important things, nor are you actually responding to his question correctly.

His question regards Landsouls spreadsheet telling him that gemming Arp is less of a DPS increase than gemming str. If this is the case then he should gem str to max his current possible DPS until he gets a replacement trinket (you fail to consider that sometimes bad luck is part of raiding, no whispering fangs yet for me after 2 weeks of heroic and since release on normal). Arp is the best stat yes, but this does not mean that in every situation every warrior should always gem for arp and never not. It depends completely on gear setup and changes from individual to individual so don't give out advice that is both misleading and incorrect for his situation. The same goes for weapon enchants; chants such as executioner / mongoose / scourgebane are DPS increases for some but not for all. This is why we have Landsouls spreadsheet, and this is why when it comes to arp the answer is almost always "check the spreadsheet" because we cannot say for certain but his sheet can. If Landsoul is telling him that he will get more DPS from gemming str than Arp then he needs to gem str. It may be that next week he has to regem arp after a lucky trinket drop but hey, if its min-maxing you're after then it shouldn't bother you. Str just happens to be the right stat for this fellow in his current gear setup/ You telling him to gem arp is asking him to gimp his DPS intentionally whilst waiting for a drop that might or might not come this week or next.