Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 971

battosai7 · 03/09/10, 9:42 AM

I've been arms since 3.1 but recently my computer broke right before 3.3 came out an i only just now got it back. When i left arms wanted to sit around 50% ArP with Grim toll or MR and stack str gems. i know that those are no longer bis trinkets but basically do we now still stack str gems or are we back to ArP?

thejoesaid · 03/09/10, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by sirtyface

Managed to scrounge out another 35 dps (averaged over 5 trials) over Nevets' build by switching the Flame Shock glyph to the Windfury Weapon glyph, and taking a point out of Reverb and putting it into Imp. Shields:

12271.03 DPS

Config:

### Saved by v1.9.5.8 of EnhSimGUI

config_version                  1.9.5.8
simulation_time                 5000
simulation_time_combatlog       300
combat_length                   7.00
report_count                    80
threads                         1
combat_length_rng_factor        0.35
min_lag                         230
max_lag                         260
simulate_mana                   1
cast_sr_on_cooldown             1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           200
ep_crit_rating                  30
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating     30
ep_spellpower                   150
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         250
ep_spirit                       150
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        1
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    2
cast_magma_only_if_ticks_left   1
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       5000
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000
necrotic_touch                  1
necrotic_touch_heroic           0

rotation_priority_count         13
rotation_priority1              SW
rotation_priority2              SR
rotation_priority3              SS_0
rotation_priority4              MW5_LB
rotation_priority5              FE
rotation_priority6              FS
rotation_priority7              ES_SS
rotation_priority8              SS
rotation_priority9              MT
rotation_priority10             ES
rotation_priority11             LS
rotation_priority12             LL
rotation_priority13             FN

fight_name                      
miss                            8.0
dodge                           6.5
glancing                        24.0
armor                           10643
spell_miss                      17.0
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

additional_targets              0
additional_target_percent       25.0
additional_target_level         0
cast_cl_when_aoe                0

armor_debuff_major              20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor              5.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   4.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          687/687
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff             13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   51/51
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               0
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1
mixology                        0

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          potion_of_speed
food                            fish_feast

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            tauren
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        2.6
mh_dps                          250.6
oh_dps                          250.6
mh_crit                         49.63
oh_crit                         49.63
mh_hit                          16.62
oh_hit                          16.62
mh_expertise_rating             140
oh_expertise_rating             140
ap                              5358
melee_haste                     31.52
armor_penetration               13.22
str                             151
agi                             1727
int                             806
spi                             171
spellpower                      1607
spell_crit                      33.02
spell_hit                       20.78
spell_haste                     24.25
max_mana                        16206
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       fist
oh_weapon                       fist

trinket1                        herkuml_war_token
trinket2                        tiny_abomination_in_a_jar_heroic

totem                           bizuris_totem_of_shattered_ice

set_bonus1                      t10_battlegear_4
set_bonus2                      -
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         chaotic_skyflare_diamond

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -
ring_proc                       ashen_verdict

glyph_major1                    feral_spirit
glyph_major2                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major3                    stormstrike

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               0/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            0/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   3/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   1/5
elemental_focus                 0/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
improved_fire_nova              2/2
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

Output:

EnhSim version 1.9.5.8

................................................................................

MH:
miss                680505         4.38%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            3732091        24.00%
hit                 886219         5.70%
crit                10249424       65.92%
average ap          9514.41        
clip                0              0.00%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          14.45%
procs/swings        13.89%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 1507888        30.98%
crit                3359550        69.02%
average ap          9500.73        

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 610599         31.01%
crit                1358730        68.99%
average ap          9487.58        

OH:
miss                682230         4.39%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            3731914        24.00%
hit                 888118         5.71%
crit                10246022       65.90%
average ap          9538.32        
clip                0              0.00%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 11545295       52.74%
crit                10346627       47.26%
average sp          3458.32        

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 610776         31.01%
crit                1358553        68.99%
average ap          9532.17        

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 803189         52.72%
crit                720232         47.28%
average sp          3444.59        

Flame Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 427094         52.67%
crit                383770         47.33%
average sp          3454.47        
dots hit            4743880        100.00%
dots crit           0              0.00%
average dot sp      3454.76        

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 606545         30.91%
crit                1355546        69.09%
average ap          9475.91        

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 1654628        52.72%
crit                1484145        47.28%
average sp          3493.55        

Fire Nova:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 708348         52.66%
crit                636832         47.34%
average sp          3437.63        

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 2926935        100.00%
crit                0              0.00%
average sp          3464.51        

Spirit Wolves:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            2009186        23.99%
hit                 5404274        64.52%
crit                962132         11.49%
average ap          9611.82        

Magma Totem:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 3059213        52.77%
crit                2738190        47.23%
average sp          3450.93        

Tiny Abomination in a Jar:
MH
  hit               525585         16.98%
  crit              1021223        33.00%
OH
  hit               525712         16.99%
  crit              1021928        33.02%

Fire Elemental Melee:
miss                89685          7.97%
dodge               47488          4.22%
glancing            270444         24.04%
hit                 683843         60.78%
crit                33595          2.99%

Fire Elemental Fire Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 1567499        91.99%
crit                136524         8.01%

Fire Elemental Fire Nova:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 628129         91.98%
crit                54757          8.02%

Fire Elemental Fire Blast:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 1091535        92.00%
crit                94913          8.00%

Fire Elemental stats:
average ap          9981.09        
average sp          3593.97        
MPS                 91.19          
MPCooldown          10943.19       
Out of mana time    1.09%
MRPCooldown         2718.21        
MRPS                22.76          

Fire Elemental      MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.42      1.85%
judgement of wisdom 22.23     98.15%


Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 62.98
efficiency          83.07%

flurry uptime                  97.05%
elemental devastation uptime   89.87%
mh enchant uptime              54.85%
oh enchant uptime              55.30%
stormstrike debuff uptime      81.97%
flame shock uptime             79.35%
lightning shield uptime        97.18%
magma totem uptime             64.09%
fire elemental uptime          28.56%

totem uptime                   99.96%
ring proc uptime               16.56%
necrotic touch uptime          55.48%


Set bonus uptimes:
Frost Witch's Battlegear 2 piece        26.01%
Frost Witch's Battlegear 4 piece        41.26%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 16.29     4.95%
replenishment       43.13     13.10%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 108.40    32.92%
shamanistic rage    161.47    49.04%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc                0.00      0.00%
stormstrike         0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               4163.20   33.92%    103.66
windfury            1454.49   11.85%    8.11
flametongue         1120.03   9.13%     72.97
stormstrike         575.69    4.69%     6.56      36.17     10.69%
lava lash           405.38    3.3%      6.54      18.02     5.33%
magma totem         467.47    3.81%     2.12      39.39     11.64%
earth shock         437.83    3.57%     5.08      62.95     18.61%
flame shock         260.79    2.12%     2.70      31.65     9.35%
lightning bolt      1330.55   10.84%    10.46     76.66     22.66%
fire nova           276.75    2.25%     4.48      67.94     20.08%
lightning shield    352.42    2.87%     1.39      0.00      0.00%
tiny abomination    222.24    1.81%     10.31
necrotic touch      361.32    2.94%     82.47
spirit wolves       379.47    3.09%     0.40      3.28      0.97%
fire elemental      465.17    3.79%     0.14      2.26      0.67%
  melee             215.86    46.4%     3.75
  fire shield       16.21     3.48%     5.68
  fire nova         120.64    25.94%    2.28
  fire blast        112.46    24.18%    3.95

DPS                 12272.78
MPS                 338.30
MP2min              40596.57
MRPS                530.43
Out of mana time    0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h
elapsed real time: 23.92s
simulation speed: 752571x

Note: I copied Rava's config file from the first post simply for testing talents/glyphs. As such, I do not have a Rawr file built, but his (and associated notes) serve the same purpose (except to replace the FS glyph with WF).

I didn't see it addressed anywhere else in the comments, but as far as I can tell, you're simulating with expertise cap and your current haste rating. After I checked your armory just to get some advice I noticed that all your gems are for haste (as your simulation stats show), but your expertise is not at 140 rating. Is there a proc/buff that I missed that's allowing you to get exp capped or have you regemmed since you posted this?

Tebar · 03/09/10, 10:12 AM

Long time reader thank u all for all your help

With the coming changes to warlock and myself included with my current gear set, I am not carring much Spirit to being with.

Does this mean that Geming for spirit can now be changed and only gem for your meta and stack spellpower? and How will this effect Lifetap?

Shandrna · 03/09/10, 10:13 AM

Has anyone done any testing to see which combination of buffs/procs i.e. 2t10, eclipse, or trinket buffs, make refreshing dots or just casting another nuke does more beneficial

For example, say I had just gotten eclipse, got a +600sp proc, and omen of doom, moonfire/IS had 7-8 seconds left, would i be better to cast the 3-4 nukes, or to clip dots and only get 1 or 2 casts off?

Nicedps · 03/09/10, 10:16 AM

Don't rush at me tomatoes pls. ^_^ Can someone tell me about rupture in mutilate dps cycle (3.3.3) ? Is it usable? Maybe someone have calculations?

Extenze · 03/09/10, 10:55 AM

These are BIS simulations, not personal ones. So his armory obviously isn't going to match.

Vikken · 03/09/10, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Nicedps

Don't rush at me tomatoes pls. ^_^ Can someone tell me about rupture in mutilate dps cycle (3.3.3) ? Is it usable? Maybe someone have calculations?

The rupture change was a buff to subtlety. Mutilate rotations depend almost entirely on maximizing envenom buff uptime.

Nicedps · 03/09/10, 11:39 AM

I understand all ^) I expected some calculations, maybe someone chek it on PTR and have result. I make calculation in other posts, but almost noone answered or corrected me, so i decide - my conculations was wrong.

Milney2007 · 03/09/10, 12:01 PM

I am new to Pally healing having just reached 80 about 6 weeks ago so I am still learning mechanics. Recently I have noticed that Light's Grace actually applies to my Holy Light base cast time before haste. This sparked the question that better geared Pallys could answer for me. Does the .3 second cast time buff from t-10 4 set apply to base cast time the same as Light's Grace, or can I expect the full reduction at the time of cast?

cremor · 03/09/10, 12:08 PM

Base cast time. Worst set bonus ever in my opinion.

Here is a detailed post about it:
The Light and How to Swing It: The truth about Lightsworn Garb

Shalaiyn · 03/09/10, 12:33 PM

So, I've a question. What sigil is considered to be BiS for frost DW at the moment? And why?

battosai7 · 03/09/10, 12:58 PM

hey my question is pretty basic ive been out of the circle since before 3.3 came out due to computer problems. when i was last playing arms warriors wanted to get grim toll or MR and sit at about 50% ArP and stack strength gems. i know that there are now better trinkets than that my question is with those new trinkets do we stack arp gems again or stick with strength

Nicedps · 03/09/10, 1:56 PM

Forgive me, but can you test 51/18/2 with rupture, and blood splatter certainly? I will be very grateful!

omegafitch · 03/09/10, 2:04 PM

Spec - Enh Shaman

This is the gear and spec I'm looking at or hoping to get before raiding. How does it look? Hit & Exp Look to be maxed.

Moorokos · 03/09/10, 2:26 PM

Is there a reason we still include unholy blight in the spec at all? It seems that 5% more death coil damage would simply be better than the damage unholy blight provides. This is just based on my meters however. Perhaps they aren't parsing it correctly? I did try to search for an answer to this question, but didn't come up with any results, so my apologies if this is a repeat question.