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Old 03/14/10, 2:58 PM   #14716
TristramDk
 
Undead Death Knight
 
Sylvanas (EU)
Hello elitist jerks,

(I don't know if this is the right topic)
I am new DK who needs some help with dps. I feel that my dps is low for my gear.
This is armory link The World of Warcraft Armory - Tristram @ Sylvanas - Profile
Last guild raid on festergut 25 I managed to pull out only 7900 dps, and I was almost the lowest dps in raid.
I don't know what is problem, but I can try to name few things.

1. I had a non-reaping build. Now I respecced but didnt test it
2. I don't have 4/5 t10 yet, I am going to get it soon tho, but I don't know if 3% would make big difference
3. Weapon. I feel that bryntoll is falling behind and I don't know if I should go farm shadow's edge
4. Profession :S maybe I should go mining > BS but I dunno if it will be big change ( 40 str )

I appreciate every advice and suggestion.

Thanks.

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Old 03/14/10, 3:54 PM   #14717
Fafiq
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Death Knight
 
Burning Legion (EU)
Got a question about changing the opening

Lately I've become a proud Engineer. Got my great hyperspeed on gloves nitro on boots etc.

Now since I'm using 1h with Black Magic is it worthy to change the following opening:
(DP/SWD if im running in) VT>DP>MB>MF>SWP
for the following
Hyperspeed>MF 3 ticks>DP>VT>SWP>MB

The first three ticks of MF give me a big chance of procing BM just at the beginning of the fight. Thus making the following VT and DP stronger = more dps. Opening the full combo with Hyperspeed makes it even more powerful.

In the first opening, BM procs after VT and probably after DP, which makes it a waste proc. In the second opening I'm having the biggest chance of getting the BM proc + having full 5 SW stacks after MF VT and DP.


What would you suggest?

Thanks in forward

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Old 03/14/10, 3:59 PM   #14718
phnklol
 
Orc Shaman
 
Talnivarr (EU)
So, im a an orc so i have the racial for more expertise on fists and axes. And i have [Abomination Knuckles] and [Frost Giant's Cleaver].

In my last 10man raid i recived [Gutbuster]. My question is, is it worth using that mace, and if it is, should i gem the expertise i need to cap the OH, or should i gem haste instead?

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Old 03/14/10, 4:04 PM   #14719
kerianassa
 
Human Mage
 
Misha
im new to EJ

hey everyone if it is not too much of a problem could someone tell me the best specs for arcane pve /and frost pvp. i dont think i am specced to my best damage ability for arcane and i have no idea how to spec for pvp frost. i have been arcane pvping for sometime and have little survivablility and help would be greatly appreciated

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Old 03/14/10, 5:42 PM   #14720
James-Xav
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Azuremyst (EU)
will i be an outcast for raiding icc 10/25 in bm spec??

currently im a mm spec hunter utilizing a build based around arp (the one without arcane shot) im using the arp trinket etc but im becoming more and more bored with the repetitive nature of the spec, i tried sv again but didnt like the feel of it (never have) and have long been debating with the dps whore in me over whever bm wud be viable as a raid spec. for a start all i hear is bm is broken etc etc but i dont feel that way,, when im dps'in in icc i noticed something of interest, alot of the fights are about dps management- the first example u will come across is deathwhisper where i find myself trying to squeeze in a rotation and hopefully 1 last chimera on her b4 i have to address the adds, from where i stand if your hunter is bm your dps management just got alot simpler e.g leave your pet which is most powerful dot in game (debatable) on the boss and just faceroll and hit up the adds, this should be an effecttive 'strategy' (it works on yogg) and i see no reason why it shouldnt work on this kind of fight like e.g saurfang + rotface etc, we all know alot of movement stops you doing your best dps but surely bm is a way of 'sustaining' your dps better? any thought on this would be welcome

Also i have been seeing alot of posts flying around that state a bm hunter must gem ap in order to make his pet stronger, i dunno if every1 sees this from the same viewpoint as me but blizzard state that they never want a bm hunter to rely totally on his pet for dps, at the moment your pet shud do around 40% of your total dps, i think alot of hunters have over looked this and have gemmed/enchanted in order to improve their pet but not themselves, i see gemming ap as gimping yourself for no apparent reason because your obviously losing alot of crit just to put gems in that provide the same ap as 20agil minus the crit, your pet takes 22% of your ap (more with pet talents) that does not mean it is calculated on your ap before agility is taken into consideration, if anything its calculated on the total ap you have including the ap you get off agility so i would venture to say that bm hunters should gem just like the other specs = agil in red, agil+crit in yellow, nightmare tear/agil in blue. i may be wrong but it seems pretty straight forward to me....

just one last thing, is it me or are the 2pc (5% chance on auto shot to imp yours and your pets damage by 15% for 10secs)and especially the 4pc (when your serpent sting/wyvern do damage you have a 5% chance to gain +10% ap for 10secs) tier10 set bonuses directed mainly at bm?? because the 4pc bonus dnt really do much for SV/MM dps and its widely known that the tier9 2pc and tier10 2pc are better dps than tier10 4pc for those 2 specs....maybe blizz slipped a little bit of beastmastery love in under our noses?? maybe it would be beneficial to Bw wen u got 1 or 2 of those procs up? and also with bm being almost "auto haste soft capped" would that not make the autoshot +5% damage buff proc more often??

alot of questions and theories, i hope someone can answer them for me XD

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Old 03/14/10, 6:57 PM   #14721
Xiphid
Glass Joe
 
Troll Priest
 
Kel'Thuzad
Originally Posted by Fafiq View Post
Got a question about changing the opening

Lately I've become a proud Engineer. Got my great hyperspeed on gloves nitro on boots etc.

Now since I'm using 1h with Black Magic is it worthy to change the following opening:
(DP/SWD if im running in) VT>DP>MB>MF>SWP
for the following
Hyperspeed>MF 3 ticks>DP>VT>SWP>MB

The first three ticks of MF give me a big chance of procing BM just at the beginning of the fight. Thus making the following VT and DP stronger = more dps. Opening the full combo with Hyperspeed makes it even more powerful.

In the first opening, BM procs after VT and probably after DP, which makes it a waste proc. In the second opening I'm having the biggest chance of getting the BM proc + having full 5 SW stacks after MF VT and DP.


What would you suggest?

Thanks in forward
Having no VT/DP ticks for this duration is ill-advised, as is casting DP before VT. It's unlikely you'll get two VT/DP casts off of one BM, so your second VT will be most likely be one hasted by BM, regardless. While black magic is a nice enchant, keep in mind that that minimal haste is not worth sacrificing your heavy hitters in the beginning, VT/DP. I encourage you to search shadowpriest.com for threads related to re-casting hasted dots, as the topic is similar. In short, most theorycrafting finds that you're better off continuing a normal priority list.

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Old 03/14/10, 7:19 PM   #14722
gia
 
Blood Elf Priest
 
Genjuros (EU)
In case anyone had any doubts, I can confirm that Blood Infusion can be completed in heroic mode as well.

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Old 03/14/10, 7:20 PM   #14723
Bustter
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Gnomeregan
Oh I practice alright... But I've not pushed more than 10k on single target fights... I guess I just have to get the rotation down to the millisecond like Landsouls spreadsheet..

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Old 03/14/10, 8:21 PM   #14724
Atraia
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
<LFG>
Dalaran
[delete] Found post, thank you.

Last edited by Atraia : 03/15/10 at 3:50 AM.

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Old 03/14/10, 8:52 PM   #14725
Tkmstr1009
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Mage
 
Cenarius
I use a Razer Deathadder and a standard MS keyboard but I've edited all my keymaps so that one key can perform multiple actions without the use of a modifier.

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Old 03/14/10, 9:11 PM   #14726
Rahl
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Tarren Mill (EU)
Originally Posted by Bustter View Post
and of course HS when I'm ~80 rage and so on...
Try to use heroic strike more aggressively, you dont need to sit at 80 rage to use it.
To be honest you can pretty much spam it nonstop most of the time.

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Old 03/14/10, 10:20 PM   #14727
Bustter
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Gnomeregan
Well, Ive noticed when I do spam it, I find myself rage starved... Hence why I have 1 point into Imp zerker rage... would it be more beneficial to put that 1 point into precision 3/3 instead? I do find myself missing white attacks which is going to happen obviously since im only soft capped... but to spam HS non stop instead of using "some" white attacks to gain addition rage, I dont see happening... But I'll def try it...

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Old 03/14/10, 11:09 PM   #14728
pjchi78
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Destromath
80 Rage is too high a threshold for your gear. 40-60 will give you more HS. When 2 white crits can give you 100 Rage, you can't be so conservative to wait for 80 Rage for a HS.
Are you getting all raid buffs? See raidcomp.mmo-champion.com and find out if your raid is missing any buffs.
RNG can play a large part in how much damage you do. On 7 min tests on target dummies I've seen the % Glance vary from as low as about 18% to 26%, and crit rates from 25% to 40% with the same gear. Whether your procs line up with your Death Wish is something you have a little control over, but not much (Berserking, Blood Drinker can't be controlled like trinket procs can), and having a lot of procs during Death Wish can make a noticeable difference.
One of the most important factors is Heroism uptime %. The shorter the fight duration is, the larger % of the fight occurs during Heroism, and the higher your DPS will be. Fight duration is determined by how much DPS your raid does as a whole. If your teammates are only doing 5k DPS on Festergut, your fight duration will be longer and your DPS will be lower. You always have Death Wish available for Heroism right?
Have you tried not using Rend? You might be able to get more HS in that way.
Also, your gear is definitely behind. Don't underestimate how much of a difference gear will make on your DPS. 8 slots at 245 or under is not very geared, and 8k seems fine for that gear level. You put a Nightmare Tear in a Red socket which is a waste. Put it in a Yellow or Blue socket that will give you a +6 Str bonus, and a 20 ArP gem in your helm. That gives you 2 socket bonuses instead of just one. The last points of ArP are worth the most, so it may be better to use a +10 Arp/+15 Stam gem instead of your +10 Str/+10 Crit gem in your gloves, which will let you use the +21 Crit meta instead of the +21 Agi meta. Or maybe a 20 ArP gem and keep the +21 Agi meta. Landsoul's spreadsheet should be able to determine that.

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Old 03/14/10, 11:13 PM   #14729
Nate1492
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Warrior
 
Grim Batol (EU)
Bustter, a few things here.

1) Your talent tree can be tweaked. You NEED 3/3 precision, it is a huge dps boost.
a) Remove the points from execute.
b) Decide if your raid benefits from commanding presence.
If yes, then drop heroic fury, piercing howl, and improved zerk rage into commanding pres.
If no, then leave the fluff talents, but still remove the execute points and place them anywhere else.

2) Stop using execute. It's simply not a DPS increase at high levels in the fury tree. The ONLY time I would use it is filler if rend is already on and I can't insert anything else into my dps tree rotation.

3) HS like its going out of style.

4) Get better gear. You are in a LOT of 245s and you still have a banner of victory. Your metric shows you at 9332 to me, and if you are pulling 8k, that's probably not that far off of accurate. Also, your necklace is rubbish. Drop it, you can pull a 50 dps upgrade just from using the 226 broach of the wailing night.

5) Be sure you have all raid buffs, improved as well.

6) Weaving rend only adds DPS if you don't miss your rotation AT ALL. Dropping one HS is fine, but pushing the BT/WW even half a second is a big dps loss. To be honest, you should be able to weave a rend in and have your bloodrage off CD to be extra certain you can weave the rend--bt+hs when you switch back.

Anyway, I was looking to see if I could find a way to work in that last 11 arp or exp in your build.. but I don't see an easy or effective way.

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Old 03/15/10, 1:10 AM   #14730
Bustter
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Gnomeregan
Alright, I respeced and got rid of the execute... TBH I got that previous spec based off of landsouls spec at the time... just to try it out... As far as improved rend and putting 2 points into that, I suppose its better than 2 into parry since we shouldnt be getting hit in the first place.. but as I looked around, 90% of the warriors I looked at had it, so I got to thinking maybe I should add rend into my rotation when all my CD's are on CD... As far as heroic fury.. it def helps give a boost on fights like blood council and marrowgar where your running around all over the place, but I will try without it.. I decided to go with 5/5 commanding pres, as only one of my pallies has imp. might, I can always use it for commanding shout. I will pick up that necklace from the badge vendor and see how that works out, maybe using that I will be able to get to 100% passive ArP... Thanks for the replies..

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