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Old 02/25/09, 5:19 PM   #2551
healingtears
Glass Joe
 
Troll Rogue
 
Kilrogg
So I have been seeing more and more combat rogues going either webbed death/hail storm or hailstorm/webbed death.

Whaaa? they going for just white and poison dmg? Most are using deadly/instant. I don't get it?

Anyone know why this is? the poison and white dps out dmg slower higher dmg main hand?
 
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Old 02/25/09, 6:58 PM   #2552
Likewise
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Zuluhed
Hey guys,


I'm the raid leader of my guild and am curious about the DPS of a rogue we have. It seems like he's doing far less than he should be, and we only have one rogue that raids with us so there's nothing to compare it with.


Wow Web Stats
The World of Warcraft Armory

He's in his PvP gear at the moment, but his spec is the same. As you can see from the WWS, he's outdpsed by our Prot Paladin main tank. Is there something he's doing wrong in the abilities he uses, is it his spec, or what's going on? Thanks in advance for the help!
 
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Old 02/25/09, 8:14 PM   #2553
Dawei
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Burning Legion
You both beat me to it. I had a very lovely post with all kinds of math ready to explain this crap when I refreshed and saw your posts. This is what I love about these forums.
 
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Old 02/25/09, 9:34 PM   #2554
Russian
Glass Joe
 
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Undead Warrior
 
Свежеватель душ (EU)
guys i have question about armor penetration. is it effective? i have 22.21% is it enought ?
 
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Old 02/25/09, 11:06 PM   #2555
Worldmaker09
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Aerie Peak
Originally Posted by Kaubel View Post
This is true for at least those who think they can use our forums to bitch and cry about changes that aren't tested or guaranteed.

So go ahead, folks. Whine all you want about the "nerfs" and how Blizzard hates you. Nothing bad will happen.
Huh? I certainly wasn't whining, just making an observation about the hubbub of changes on PTR (and the discrepancies between the patches and patch notes). I enjoy the discussions about build adjustments and think it's somewhat exciting to see trees shaken up this much.

I'm pretty sure nobody in this thread has done anything close to what you bitched about. Not sure what you're crusading for.
 
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Old 02/26/09, 6:56 AM   #2556
oneleftout
Glass Joe
 
Undead Mage
 
Alleria
arcane dmg

i am new to arcane i was frost fire previously. i have read alot of the forums and have found out that arcane has been nerfed in 3.0.9. the glyph of arcane blast is broken, and the dmg coefficient on arcane barrage was drastically reduced.

i have a few questions...

1. what are good stats to stack as an arcane mage?
im at about 590 haste, 1900 spell power, and 21% crit.

2. how do i avoid going OOM while still maintaining high dps?
there are many helpful forums that give their suggestions on rotations,
but i have found the actual damage i do when using these rotations to be less than
what the forums claim. the only way im holding down 5500 dps is by spamming arcane blast
until arcane missiles proc then casting that. doing this i am OOM in 20 secs.

3. is there hope for arcane mages in 3.1?
as the arcane spec stands now frostfire is far superior. frost fire does about equal damage to a single target, while maintaining aoe dmg and a damage over time caused by the crit from frost fire bolt and pyroblast. unfortunately arcane cant even compete.

I like playing arcane, i was frost for soo long, and have had my fill of frost fire. please respond with any help, advice or inside knowledge or arcanes hidden potential. my arcane mage is oneleftout look him up if it helps.
 
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Old 02/26/09, 11:39 AM   #2557
patseguin
Glass Joe
 
Human Mage
 
Uldaman
Yeah that's a great of putting things. There's no doubt that my dps has gone up. I guess it comes down to which playstyle I prefer.
 
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Old 02/26/09, 1:52 PM   #2558
edisphinx
Glass Joe
 
Troll Rogue
 
Taerar (EU)
thanks for your fast answers and thanks for all your work aldriana!
 
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Old 02/26/09, 2:01 PM   #2559
Adamon
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Priest
 
Sentinels
Originally Posted by Motrin View Post
A 300 second fight (without movement) is 200 global cooldowns. Here is your breakdown:

18 VTs - 88 ticks/5 (number of ticks per cast)
33 MBs
1 Pain
12 DPs - 90 ticks/8
4 Deaths
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I didn't die 4 times on patch >> plus i did a 6 second dispersion at the beggining of the fight which was on accident but the point is i have alot to work on
 
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Old 02/26/09, 2:02 PM   #2560
Motrin
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Dwarf Priest
 
Farstriders
Shadow Word: Death
 
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Old 02/26/09, 2:06 PM   #2561
Adamon
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Priest
 
Sentinels
Ahh my bad on that, But yeah I did do dispersion on accident
 
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Old 02/26/09, 2:09 PM   #2562
scorpy
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Kazzak (EU)
i have 2251 SP self buffed 15.86% hit 13% crit 11% haste and ma build is 54/0/17 i hardly get 3.1k in OD 3D and other hybird lock in same grp gets 3.3-3.6k dps and i always keep up ma dots.. For rotation SB UA Imo CoA Corr SL. can u help me in here and what am doing wrong or build wrong ? plz assisst
 
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Old 02/26/09, 3:34 PM   #2563
Onouris
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Ravencrest (EU)
Did they remove T.N.T refreshing Immolation trap? I guess that's why using it in the spreadsheet as constantly there doesn't work at all.

That's pretty frustrating. It not only makes Trap Mastery completely useless again, but it also nerfs Lock n Load since you can't even guarantee a proc with immolation any more, and it was never that great without trap dancing anyway.

I'll reword this to make it a bit clearer.

If I make the shot rotation, pet, glyphs, etc all the same as they are pre-3.1, I lose about 500 DPS in this spreadsheet.

Anyone else seeing the same thing? I must have missed something somewhere.
 
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Old 02/26/09, 4:20 PM   #2564
Doozel
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Eredar
how are the DW 1h builds looking? is there a benefit to speccing that way with the TG nerf?
 
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Old 02/26/09, 4:26 PM   #2565
zeus48
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Anachronos
Of course I will update this thread after 3.1 hit the live servers. I'm currently implementing the new glyphs and talents into the model. I personally enjoy the discussion about the (first!) patch notes, but things are not eaten as hot as they are cooked. Everything you read from here on is still 3.08.

Awsome Thanks!!!!
 
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Old 02/26/09, 6:36 PM   #2566
Eisentefel
Glass Joe
 
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Dwarf Paladin
 
Silvermoon
I noticed something interesting when I was doing H AN earlier, and I decided to test it. Apparently, if you us a cancelaura macro during the cast of a Holy Light, then the Holy Light goes off at full strength. For instance, i was using:

#showtooltip Holy Shock
/cancelaura Divine Plea
/cast Holy Shock

To get an emergency HS in during Divine Plea. But apparently, if there's an emergency during Divine Plea, then we can get off a HL cast that divine plea ticks during, as well as the HS. I don't think it's really gamebreaking or anything, but I hadn't seen this before, so I decide to post it.
 
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Old 02/26/09, 8:00 PM   #2567
Anjuna
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Draenei Death Knight
 
Uther


I forgot to turn off titles and guild names. Runes appear just under the player frame, can see them faded out.
 
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Old 02/26/09, 8:35 PM   #2568
Skorp
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Alexstrasza
I wasn't sure which forum to post this question, and I might have been listed before, but, I'm curious. Out of all the spreadsheets, which do most people believe is the most accurate in terms of comparing dps? I personally know of 3 that I use, but I get different results. They are:

1. Rawr
2. Theory Craft-o-Matic
3. Magegraf

I see mainly rawr listed with even it's own post, so is it safe to assume the answer is Rawr? I like rawr, with exception to it's gem options. Also, are there any other good spreadsheets that you'd recommend that I haven't listed?
 
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Old 02/26/09, 8:40 PM   #2569
darthdusty
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Kael'thas
Same Here

Originally Posted by Jacelin View Post
K well i am a lvl 80 night elf TG warrior. Fairly well geared except for a few epic lvl 70 pieces i am wearing. My rotation is BT, WW, slam on crit, and heroic strike as a rage dump. My problem is I am not able to pull off more than about 1900 to 2k dmg in 10man naxx and no more than 2.5k in 25 man naxx. I have seen other fury warrior putting out twice my numbers and i cannot seem to figure out how. Any help would be very appreciative. Thanks alot.
Seems like i'm in a similar situation as you. I have good gear, do the rotation everyone says is best, try to keep my hit and exp capped, but am i missing something? One bad thing i know of is my comp isn't the greatest but how much do you think that affects me? I'm probably just a noob but any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Old 02/26/09, 9:50 PM   #2570
Burks
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Warrior
 
Sen'jin
Finally! I will have the perfect title! Bwahahahaha!
 
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Old 02/26/09, 10:31 PM   #2571
Grunge
Don Flamenco
 
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Human Rogue
 
Kor'gall (EU)
Those who were missing a few candies from Be Mine!, it's time for rejoicing, I was missing 2 and was awarded "the Love Fool" on PTR.
If this is intended or not remains to be seen.

Fans glory to the Gladiators,
Gods glory to the Heroes.
 
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Old 02/26/09, 11:35 PM   #2572
mcloud777
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Suramar
I have been using this spec in PTR and it works great.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...6&version=9626

My rotation goes like so,

PS-IT-BS-BS-SS-DC
SS-SS-SS-DC-DC-REPEAT
 
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Old 02/27/09, 1:54 AM   #2573
Skorp
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Alexstrasza
Anyone? would really appreciate some opinions/feedback here.
 
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Old 02/27/09, 3:08 AM   #2574
 typobox
Don Flamenco
 
Human Priest
 
Alexstrasza
Originally Posted by PSGarak View Post
MMO-Champion BlueTracker - Change Hearthstones to 30 Minutes.
Long story short, Hearthstone cooldown will be shortened to 30 minutes in 3.1, as partial compensation for ghetto-hearting from an instance sending you to a graveyard instead of hearth location. It's also one of the fastest reversals, and strangest blue threads, I've read.
Cue a bunch of shamans complaining about how they need a buff now.
 
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Old 02/27/09, 3:14 AM   #2575
Duuberman
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Tauren Shaman
 
Terokkar
Originally Posted by typobox View Post
Cue a bunch of shamans complaining about how they need a buff now.
I vote they build in the astral recall glyph into the ability QQ
 
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