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Fearlezz · 08/03/08, 8:00 AM

Glyph of Gnome Slavery - Makes your totems spawn in hands of Voodoo Gnomes who carry the totems following you around

Snochalar · 08/03/08, 9:04 AM

Hi all. Im looking for an answer to some questions about the hunter class.

1: What are shot rotations and what are the numers abot?

2: Any gear/talent improvements i could do with that I can get easily kind of. Armory link The World of Warcraft Armory

Thanks.

Snochalar.

Edit: Oh, and also, any addons that would be handy. I got Z-Hunter Addon and thats all to do with hutners. X-perl, titan panel. UI Setups. Action Bar setups etc would be handy to.

buffalobro · 08/03/08, 2:17 PM

Hi EJ posters!,

Long time reader, first time poster. I'd like to thank you guys for all the information thats been shared amongst us hunters. My questions are as follows:
I understand the macro 3:2 as follows

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast Steady Shot
/cast [target=pettarget,exists] Lightning Breath
/cast [target=pettarget,exists] Kill Command
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

my weapon speed is..............1.93
Drums..................................1.84
Quick shots...........................1.68
Quick shots+drums................1.60
Rapid fire..............................1.38
Rapid fire +drums..................1.32
Rapid fire+quick shots............1.20
Rapid fire+quick shots+drums 1.14
(adding in dst would take forever trying to time it)

with the badge X-bow. I seem to have too much passive haste and/or buffs in raid to quicken me up well below 1.4 speed.

1.At what point (including latency of ~200) is the perfect shot speed before I start clipping auto shots with the 3:2 macro? 1.6? or do i switch to a 1:1 macro?

2. What would be the perfect trinket combo, I have all 3:
[Dragonspine Trophy]
[Berserker's Call]
[Ashtongue Talisman of Swiftness]

3. I usually get partied up with a non-beneficial group (healers& mages) so how should I use my personal buffs to best suit my maximum dps
Rapid Fire
Blood Fury
Bestial Wrath
[Drums of Battle]
[Berserker's Call]-if i equip it

My armory
The World of Warcraft Armory

Quick stats:
RAP:2236 -with hawk
Crit:28.84
hit:141 -close enough

so many questions lol, sorry should I find a slower weapon? [Ancient Amani Longbow] I could switch to?

thank you

Edit:this was posted in the wrong hunter topic seeing if i can get more responses here

baracas · 08/03/08, 8:35 PM

Would someone please care to comment on a good balance of +spellcrit,spellhaste, and +heals for holy paly t5 and better. I can easily gem to 2250 but its give and take. At what point, do you consentrate more on spell crit, spell haste, mp5, etc. If anyone would care to list a good combo of crit rating, haste, etc, etc, it would be greatlyly appreciated. Personally i give much more to crit rating and +heals then i do haste or mp5 but i would enjoy others opinion on it. THanks

Hupepak · 08/03/08, 10:52 PM

hi im really new to this. So if the cycle is "3s5r"....does that mean i build 3 combo points with no SnD during that time? Would the dps would be that good compared to 1s/3s/5r or something.

Hupepak · 08/03/08, 11:35 PM

hi guys. So if im supposed to do "3s/5r" cycle. Does that mean I build up 3 combo points with no SnD, then SnD, then rupture? is that better compared to 1s/3s/5r or something? And I found it is impossible for the 3s to stay long after 5cb rupture and another 3 points for new SnD.

Yake · 08/03/08, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by Lizzie

Upload please !

Chul · 08/04/08, 3:37 AM

Thank you for all the work you put into the spreadsheet Cheeky!

p.s. Here's hoping you have a beta key, as those that give a lot back to the community should be rewarded.

Yellowss · 08/04/08, 5:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anedris

I know how it works. My point was the in the current one, you see a group with 3 or more members who are hurt and one who is hurt more than the others and you target the lowest one. With the Wrath one, you're not going to have the same visual summary of who the eligible targets are - you're just going to be throwing it into the area where the raid damage is occurring. Giving it a bit more punch on a specific critically injured target will still be valuable, but it won't have the same capacity to "even out" the group's health that it would have in the present state (of course that "evening" out will not be required with the Wrath version; it will essentially do that by itself).

(And yes, I know PoM works wonders for this same "evening out" function presently.)

Som dose this mean that coh will be a "smart heal" choosing the targets whith the greathest hp difference from their maximum hp?

Iliyan · 08/04/08, 8:38 AM

OH lol, I just realized that Blizzard is included in the description of "World in Flames" wtf is with that...

Garanthir · 08/04/08, 11:33 AM

Latest Blue post

WoW Forums -> Feral Concerns in WotLK

In case some folks can't get to it:

The design is for bears to be viable, end-game main tanks. The design is for cats to be viable, end-game melee dps. In both cases you are going to need the right talents, good gear, skill and companions who can back you up -- I don't mean to imply raiding will be easy.

If you want to do a little tanking and dps, you probably won't be as optimal at either, though you'll probably always be better at switching between the two than other classes. In order to be as good at tanking as the other classes, you might have to give up a few talents that maximize your dps, and vice versa. This is a good thing -- it lets you choose to actually be a main tank.

We are adding a new class to Lich King, as well as improving the raid viability of specs such as Arcane mage, Survival hunter and Balance druid. That means you have 30 available specs for 25 slots. There are two ways to design around this problem. One is that there are 25 mandatory specs and 5 that shouldn't be raiding. Boo. A more fun, interesting and ultimately fair direction is that you actually have some choices in who to bring. Imagine running a raid with no warrior tanks at all.

Don't worry about your bears. The armor and other changes were done to fix itemization issues, not to nerf druids. You've already gotten the ability to drink pots in bear form and benefit from weapon enchants and windfury. We have plenty of knobs to turn to make sure you can do your job even better than you could in LK.

Yellowss · 08/04/08, 2:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anedris

I know how it works. My point was the in the current one, you see a group with 3 or more members who are hurt and one who is hurt more than the others and you target the lowest one. With the Wrath one, you're not going to have the same visual summary of who the eligible targets are - you're just going to be throwing it into the area where the raid damage is occurring. Giving it a bit more punch on a specific critically injured target will still be valuable, but it won't have the same capacity to "even out" the group's health that it would have in the present state (of course that "evening" out will not be required with the Wrath version; it will essentially do that by itself).

(And yes, I know PoM works wonders for this same "evening out" function presently.)

So dose this mean that coh will be a "smart heal" choosing the targets with the greatest hp difference from their maximum hp?

MatthewDB · 08/04/08, 5:34 PM

Have they sent out the new round of invitations? I was under the impression that the August 1st deadline would mean new invitations today.

swankholyman · 08/04/08, 5:47 PM

K, now I guess I'm just gunna toss out all the interesting things I see from the new healing priest trees and due to the fact that I couldn’t read all 18 pages hopefully Ill be adding something new to the conceptual look at priest healing in wrath and not just be beating a dead horse.

In a grand portion of TBC priests have kind of gained an overwhelming feeling of misdirection in both the holy tree and the shadow tree… The only place I ever felt truly at ease and on par was in a disc spec because it was so obviously a decent pvp build that Blizzard knew what they were doing with it. Now when groups finally began reaching Tier 6 content and with the release of Sunwell holy priests finally gained some viability with circle of healing that they formally lacked (pre tier 6, paladins have higher pure healing, shammies have way higher raid healing, and druids were far more consistent), leaving priests like feral druids as an off spec that were situationaly useful. With the direction they finally found for priests in this content is where I believe they began the drawing boards for wrath.

With the Tier 10 talent (usually the biggest pure stat improver of a class) improving the healing done by all of priests AOE’s and multi target heals by 10% at 5/5, Holy priests in wrath are going to be cast into the role initially reserved for disc priests which became unviable due to their pure lack of healing, pure AOE and instant cast healing. So if I were to go holy in wrath I would spec
Disc tier1 0,5 tier2 3,2,0,0 tier3 1,1,3 (meditation may become obsolete pending need for COH, if priests need to burst spam then have 15-20 sec of relief before bosses reAOE, imp shield may be more viable for the oh shit factor) tier4 0,5,0 ( best reason to duck into disc in wrath IMO for holy you’ll be casting incredible amounts of instant casts).
Holy Tier1 2,3,4 tier2 0,5 Tier3 0,0,3 Tier4 0,3,0 Tier5 2,1,4 (I added the point in Healing prayers from from holy nova and 1/5 SG cuz I really think the reduced cost of POM will be totally worth it in wrath) Tier6 0,5 Tier7 3,0,0 Tier8 5,0 (If you’re a smart healer serendipity is worthless, if it was to all heals Id take it for overheal on AOE’s but it isn’t) Tier 9 1,1,3 Tier 10 5 tier 11 1.

This build IMO offers a lot of AOE capability with the versatility to still be functional in 5/10 man content with full Emp healing DF and Imp healing.

Now its time for disc which I believe will be the best build in Wrath for both raid viability and Arena though I will be exclusively talking about its raid function for now. Disc in wrath is an attempt to give priests back a feeling of real healing potential while maintaining the pure heart of priests which is offering a vast array of services to a raid while maintaining a personal role at the same time (IE shadow priests with mana return and dps, holy priests with POM and renew for raid support while being on a tank). This goal of bringing a priest back to the potential to truly heal a tank in high lvl content is the basis for my spec and I believe priests will be teamed with a pally for main tank heals in wrath (which will be really nice not getting plopped on the OT every fight of our raiding existence). And with the change of Rapture to only giving yourself mana it opens up a clear message to all raiders that Priests are now gunna be as mana efficient as pallies and have the stats and means to not get stuck at some awkward position in the raid. So with the current info we have on new game mechanics heres my disc spec.
Disc tier 1 0,5 tier2 3,2,0,0 tier3 2,1,3 tier4 0,5,0 Tier5 5,1,2 tier6 0,5 tier7 0,1,0 tier8 5,0 tier9 3,0,2 (this is where I stopped in raid disc, Penance is a good spell but until we know if every tick of it procs grace it just isn’t worth losing SOR and the bonus to healing from SG)
Holy Tier 1 2,3,4 Tier 2 0,5 tier3 0,0,3 tier4 0,3,0 tier5 0,1,5

Problems with this spec your missing Spiritual healing but IMO its not worth losing grace and DA for… it gives a huge buff to your tank, pally healer beside you and on rolling lifeblooms. Also as stated earlier with Rapture priests are finally as mana efficient as pallies or druids which is a huge blessing…

Hopefully I didn’t forget anything, reply if you’de like the disc spec is gunna be mine when wrath comes out so if anyone sees anything terrible about it pls reply.

Sprout · 08/04/08, 5:54 PM

Edited my post to include the ivalue costs included.

IKT · 08/04/08, 8:28 PM

Originally Posted by lazerpewpew

To Glaurong:

I, for one, hate Blizzard's torrent distribution idea. It has always been so horrific slow for me, and the mandatory upload means I can not do anything online. I always get my patch from filefront.com.

Just because it's horrific slow for you doesn't mean it's not a valid form of add on update distribution.

More than likely it just means you don't know how to port forward correctly.

silotallaja · 08/04/08, 9:32 PM

Rogue community is too hung on theorycrafting, that Bliz fears a large ammount of useless qq if they started eariler on us. They leave us to the end of the line, so we have less time to whine before the release

Or maybe they want us to be the king's of dps again and finish all other classes, so they know how much OP we need to be.

Arazan · 08/04/08, 9:46 PM

Oh my bad then, I was away for the weekend so I'm just now getting back to computerland.

immortalix · 08/04/08, 10:59 PM

how much extra dps is contributed by racials? specifically nightelves and undead?

i rolled a dwarf pre-bc when they were the only class with fear ward. if i were to roll a new priest now i'd probably go night elf or dranei (alliance ftw!)

spanko · 08/05/08, 3:17 AM

I got an invite tonight and I never did anything related to Blizzcon, WWI, or Dell.

Lushiris · 08/05/08, 4:41 AM

Hi all, just 1 question. Do Fire mages spam fire blast at every cd during boss fights? It seems to increase ur overall dps, but i nvr see any rotation including fire blast?

bitanga · 08/05/08, 4:52 AM

maybe it was temp bug, since i never noticed that happens.

Btw since i am using 2h weapon i adapted arms warrior PvE rotation there. Dont have issue with runes since by the time i use combo ability A>white attack>ability B>white attack> ability 3>deathcoil>white attack.. runes get refreshed. According to Recount it is showing some dps increase. Have in mind that this data isnt tracked in instance.

P.S Necrosis is big crap, and it will be even worse as you gain better gear. Atm its 4-7% of my total dmg. With some critpants gear, it will go bellow 2%. With super gear you wont notice it at all. And you spended 4-5 points there.

Lockdown · 08/05/08, 4:54 AM

Same here, just got my invite tonight for opting in (Although I do possess a Dell XPS 1730, but that didnt matter for sure).

watersrog · 08/05/08, 5:17 AM

Thank you for the replays. Sounds pretty good actually.

Marieth · 08/05/08, 10:03 AM

It was confirmed by a CM in the german forum, that indeed a round of opt-in invites has gone out last night (GMT+1 here).
(src: WotLK Forum-EU, it is in german)

I was one of the lucky recipients and have already copied my charakters to the beta realm.
Sadly I have to spend another hour at work and still need to download the beta client.