Thread of Ultimate Suck - Page 153

Nazzaroni · 04/30/09, 3:42 PM

I'm currently Mutilate spec (51/13/7) but have been noticing for the majority of encounters it may be better to be Combat. I'm an active PvP'er so I want to keep one of my specs PvE and the other PvP.

My current gear set up is 4pc T7 and 1pc T8. I have Calamity's Grasp/Golem-Shard Sticker for my combat weapons. My main concerns are.
1. What glyphs to use.
2. Which poison to use on my MH
3. Primary gem choices
4. 15/51/5 vs 18/51/2

trancos.jorge · 04/30/09, 5:57 PM

Originally Posted by logist

Hello, first time poster, long time reader as i heard someone say before

Anyhow totally noob kinda question, im combat speced, fist/dagger 15/51/5 with 5 point in CQC ofc, BiS T7. using the combat spreadsheet i was just wondering for a single item, now i have [Envoy of Mortality] in ranged, but gotten the [Rising Sun] last night. Now whats confusing me is that stats wise envoy is better?, but the spreadsheet shows just a little more dps with the rising sun.
or is hit rating worth it? with rising sun i have hit 274 isnt that too much? and yet shows dps increase with rising sun.

I think that haste + hit rating is better than some critical since you can get crit rating from different sources (buffs)
Thats just my personal opinion.
You can also consider that you can use [deadly throw] (if you need to) if you have Rising Sun

Draktyr · 04/30/09, 6:05 PM

So UA is worth taking in DPS? Interesting..

dot dot dot

What did you think the talent did? Give you swine flu?

/sigh

Higinia · 04/30/09, 6:14 PM

which unholy dw spec is better?
obliterate, death coil, or ss? im having hard time finding out, anyone have any suggestions?

trv186 · 04/30/09, 6:40 PM

So far for a bloodelf/goat (no racials which help with weapon skill) The BIS I am still able to confirm in rawr is the following setup which I noticed was not in the OP. This set INCLUDES leather. Assuming a JC and BS. This was orginally posted by another member. There are other posts back a few pages for BIS for humans/dwarves which were very interesting if anyone else feels like bumping those. Good to see we can post BIS gear again

Helm - Conqueror's Aegis Helm
Neck - Pendulum of Infinity (socket bonus 4 AGI)
Cloak - Drape of Faceless General
Chest - Chestguard of Recluse
Wrists - Armbands of Bedlam (socket bonus unknown)
Weapon - Voldrethar, Dark Blade of Oblivion (x1 Dragon's Eye)
Libram - Furious Gladiator's Libram of Fortitude
Trinket1 - Darkmoon Card: Greatness
Trinket2 - Blood of the Old God
Ring1 - Seal of Betrayed King (4 str bonus)(dragon's eye)
Ring2 - Godbane Signet
Boots - Footpads of Silence
Legs - Congueror's Aegis Legplates (x1 Dragon's Eye)
Belt - Soul Devouring Cinch
Gloves - Conqueror's Aegis Gauntlets

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Fight Length - 6 minutes
Mob Type - Other
Below 20% time - 18%
Attack Power - 6590
Crit Chance - 47.49%
Miss - 0% at 266 hit rating
Dodge - 0% at 213 expertise rating
Melee Haste - 32.62%
Weapon Damage - 2639.75
Total DPS - 6,532

This was used with JC/Blacksmithing. Also some socket bonuses are unknown and might provide more dps. This did not include bloodlust, focus magic, or amplify magic (7389 dps with those 3 buffs)

Blooberry · 04/30/09, 6:51 PM

This is my current UI setup:

Image: Hunter UI picture by GreyStreetToker - Photobucket

Video: YouTube - Ironforge The Military Ward 043009 163901

It's not quite as minimalistic as some but I enjoy the overall setup. The addons I use are the following:

ButtonFacade
Dominos
DoTimer
Omen
OmniCC
Pitbull
PowerAuras
Quartz
RangeDisplay
Recount
SCT
SexyMap
Track-o-matique

Blooberry · 04/30/09, 6:53 PM

This is my current Ui setup:

YouTube - Ironforge The Military Ward 043009 163901

A link of the addons I use can be found here: Hunter: Useful Add-Ons/Mods

tainted · 04/30/09, 7:07 PM

I'm a fan of the 0/13/58 SS build. It's proven to be successful.

Fargom · 04/30/09, 7:17 PM

Originally Posted by Higinia

which unholy dw spec is better?
obliterate, death coil, or ss? im having hard time finding out, anyone have any suggestions?

This type of a post belongs on the wow forums, you need to read the entire thread (mostly the OP) and find out which spec would work best with the gear you currently have available.

The three Unholy builds being discussed here are very different, some value haste highly, others don't want much at all. You need to do some research and find your own answers based on the information in the thread. The fine folks who do the bulk of the work in this thread shouldn't have to answer your questions simply because you don't want to work for yourself.

We don't hold your hand here, sorry.

Sindrel · 04/30/09, 7:18 PM

Supericy, thx for the suggestion. I tried a couple diff gem replacements to see how things stacked up. Since a couple of the bonuses are either AP or go to AP through talents, the best combo I could get was maybe 4 of the gems replaced for a net dps gain of 4.58 with a loss of .26crit and ~500 less HP. Decent, so I'll take that under advisement.

Any thoughts on the talent question I posed? Has anyone else done any experimentation with pet dps loss due to dodged attacks due to less than optimal expertise?

EDIT: I don't see an efficient way to get down to Invig without taking 2/2 AH. Taking pts away from anything else winds up losing more than it's worth. Thx anyway, All.

Regards,

Sind

Raife · 04/30/09, 7:41 PM

First time poster.

Here is an XT parse of DW 0/13/58 Blood Presence. Just adding further evidence of the potential of 3.1 DW

Wow Web Stats

Rotation

IT PS SS BS BS DC's
SS SS SS DC's

Ghoul/SS/DD glpyhs
Not using UB or GF atm as GF is hard to work into a SS spam rotation ( however, I may work it in with Blood Taps )

Overall I enjoy the play style and it seems to scale very nicely as this build pushes out more white dmg than 2hand unholy ( from what I have seen from our 12/0/59 DK )

Edit: No Light Bomb dmg. I had one gravity bomb on me and I helped with aoe at one point (DND dmg)

Sten · 04/30/09, 7:44 PM

all of the 3 specs are similar and is more a choice of playstyle and preference imo, slight difference in gearing aswell.

Twistlers · 04/30/09, 7:56 PM

WoW Web Stats

character name: Wapadoobop
Weapon: Inevitable Defeat
spec: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
rotation: PS-IT-FS-OB-FS-BS-BS-FS | PS-IT-FS-OB-FS-OB-FS (i save macro'd blood tap/UA for when crusader and greatness are up)
consumables: elixir of mighty strength, no potions or food buff

didn't really have to move around at all on this one, basically sat my happy arse down and deeps'd away. did smudge up rotation a few times as i'm still not used to 2h frost, i might swap virulence for death rune mastery for ease of rotations

Nishin · 04/30/09, 8:03 PM

Anyone played around with the combat spreadsheet to see what kind of gear gives the highest possible dps?
If anyone has done this, i would appreciate if you could send it to me or mayby link it somewhere, would be appreciated thanks.

cupruta · 04/30/09, 8:29 PM

i cnt get the spread sheet to down load, could this be because i operate on a mac?

Snootzi · 04/30/09, 8:30 PM

Has anyone done any real testing of Venge sigil for unholy? recently got it for alot of dkp, didn't raid tonight but hope to try it soon.

Darkstarrz · 04/30/09, 8:34 PM

Have the new changes been added to the sim graph on page 1 yet zak?

aznken93 · 04/30/09, 8:48 PM

heyy uhh i am useing the 20/51/0

I need help with my roation! that can help me get my dps up!

uh i have 3/5 val n 2/5 heross

rage03usa · 04/30/09, 9:27 PM

did anyone notice my question about reckoning vs divinity?

SethKeta · 04/30/09, 9:53 PM

I was thinking of tanking with a frost build of 10/51/10. http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...5&version=9835

I was curious if this would be viewed as a decent all around tanking spec that wouldn't have me at any disadvantages. What would it's flaws be, and am I missing some important talents that I should be getting otherwise?

Mana · 04/30/09, 9:58 PM

wow really =(

hope thats not true.. i wanna use the pvp dagger in pve lol.

Slimbob · 04/30/09, 10:08 PM

I have read through a lot of this but I'm trying to figure out something specific that I can't seem too find. My question: Is Aimed shot + 3/3 Barrage more of a dps increase than going deeper into BM for Aspect Mastery? On a side note, what about Silencing Shot, is it substantial increase in dps? Thank you for any info.

Setta · 04/30/09, 10:13 PM

Alpengeist · 04/30/09, 10:14 PM

Made this in Rawr, race is Blood Elf.

DPS - 6580

Head Conqueror's Aegis Helm
Neck Insurmountable Fervor
Shoulders Conqueror's Aegis Shoulderplates
Chest Steelbreaker's Embrace
Waist Belt of the Titans
Legs Conqueror's Aegis Legplates
Feet Boots of the Underdweller
Wrist Bitter Cold Armguards
Hands Conqueror's Aegis Gauntlets
Finger1 Sif's Promise
Finger2 Godbane Signet
Trinket1 Darkmoon Card: Greatness
Trinket2 Blood of the Old God
Back Drape of the Faceless General
MainHand Earthshaper
Ranged Deadly Gladiator's Libram of Fortitude

Character: @US-
Race: BloodElf
Status: 6,580 dps
Health: 28,365
Strength: 2,239
Agility: 488
Attack Power: 6,682
Crit Chance: 41.73 %
Miss Chance: 0.00 %
Dodge Chance: 0.00 %
Melee Haste: 31.54 %
Weapon Damage: 2,768.76
Attack Speed: 2.53
White: 1,414
Seal: 1,732
Crusader Strike: 953
Judgement: 745
Consecration: 639
Exorcism: 360
Divine Storm: 510
Hammer of Wrath: 227
Other: 0
Total DPS: 6,580
Crusader Strike CD: 6.59
Judgement CD: 9.51
Consecration CD: 10.70
Exorcism CD: 15.58
Divine Storm CD: 10.70
Hammer of Wrath CD: 6.35

jermthe1 · 04/30/09, 10:44 PM

Hi everyone I am very new to this forum and after a couple of weeks being here in Uld. I've decided to post because my guild believes I'm not putting out as much dps as I should be. My shaman's name is Müdbone (alt+0252 for the u). Right now were doing the Kologarn encounter. My dps is running about 3.5k. Damage done is around 848k, we wiped last attempt. The rotation I'm trying to use is flame shock, lava burst, chain lightning, and then 2x lightning bolt back to chain lightning, and then lightning bolt, and then finally lava burst. The first rotation is fine but the second rotation cycle the cool downs do not fall like they should. Just wondering if anyone can offer any help at all.

Armory link =http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ghostlands&n=M%C3%BCdbone