Originally Posted by Saladin

Well for one thing, there's the subjective quality that damage absorbed is more valuable than damage healed. The catch is, we can't really measure the correlation between them. That is to say, we can't state whether damage absorbed is 3x, 2x, or 1.1x as valuable as damage healed because it changes based on the fight and the healing target.

As a completely off the wall example, if your tank is sitting on a 30k HP pool and takes a hit of 30,100, then the fact that you can heal for 31,000 is utterly irrelevant. Obviously these numbers are completely contrived, and in reality 300 points of absorption should never mean the difference between a tank life or death. However, it does demonstrate the point that damage absorption is a special kind of HPS since it's incapable of overhealing and increases target's effective life.

Straight-up healing, on the other hand, suffers from the negative side effects of overheal and simple human error. Sacred Shield acts like a single-target smart heal in that, so long as you keep the buff up, it will apply the shield as often as it can to absorb as much damage as it can.

Now, beyond the Damage Absorbed vs. Damage Healed debate, there's also the fact that if you're using Glyph of Seal of Light, you're obviously not using a more valuable glyph like Divinity or Holy Shock. So in that sense, while you could get more of a benefit from Seal of Light, it may not be the most efficient configuration of your gear and glyphs. Personally where I see myself in current content, I prefer the lack of 4T7 and an extra glyph slot to keeping 4T7 and eating up a glyph slot with SoL. Especially considering you miss out on so much mana from SoW with the glyph and melee ticks combined.

Finally, 5k HPS is an arbitrary number. On some fights you will need more, some fights you will need less, and some fights you will need both more and less based on the phase (i.e., Mimiron). The percentage of "HPS" that 4T8 provides depends on the fight as well as the player's gear, in addition to being directly modified by the player's spellpower. For example, 4T8 means more to a SP-stacking paladin who's rocking 3k spellpower than an Int-stacking paladin with 2k.

Basically, 4T8 is something that player's need to evaluate based on their own circumstances. There are no hard and fast rules that it is solidly "good" or "bad". It's a tool. Healing is about using the right tool for the right job.

Originally Posted by Izha

How does the new Darkmoon Card: Death stack up against Bandit's Insignia? The 85 crit is less in stat weight than the 190 AP on the insignia but I am seeing people claim that Black Ice is effecting the death card's proc. Would the extra 10% damage from Black Ice make up for the lower stat weight? The death card also has ~250 higher low end damage than the insignia. I don't have a death card so I can't test for myself to verify if Black Ice effects the card's damage.

Originally Posted by Minifridge

Current WIP.

Addons:

Pitbull4
KgPanels
Chatter
Dominos (Rothar ButtonFacade skin)
Chinchilla
SatrinaBufFrames

UF placement inspired by Winco's UI.


I'll be uploading as soon as I work out a few more bells and whistles and fixing some errors.

C+C welcome

Originally Posted by Led ++

I guess kgPanels as you cant make the borders like that in default Pitbull.

Originally Posted by Minifridge

This.

Originally Posted by Sammanta

at this moment, whats the best bracer ?

[Slime Stream Bands] with delicated dragon's eye and 114 ap

or

[Bracers of the Smothering Inferno] only with 114 ap ?

Originally Posted by lovell243

hey
was just reading through and im still stuck on the stats and dps of arms over fury.
ive been fury for a while and now they nerfed it ive droped alot of dps, so i went to arms and i think i didnt spec correctly or gem correctly.
please would you look at the spec i did and advise me on what i must do/change and also help on what to gem etc
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
thanks

Originally Posted by Loggy

I've looked everywhere and I can't figure out what texture you use for Pitbull.

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/u...309_021008.jpg

My ui. KGpanels texture is taken from Badrasta's UI, which can be found here: BadRasta UI : WoWInterface Downloads : Graphical Compilations.

Pitbull
Buttontimers
SBF
Prat
Buttonfacade - Caith
Tekticles
Bartender4
Quartz
Recount
Grid
Chinchilla
etc.

Originally Posted by frmorrison

You have the order about right, but Frost isn't that far behind. If you are having trouble with its dps, it is likely due to using the incorrect rotation/glyphs. Playing each spec properly will yield nearly the same dps raid buffed.

http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t53319-a..._cycle_2_data/ has some information, but it is limited and not updated with the current specs/glyphs.

Originally Posted by Aieda

It can be quite hard to determine the BiS gear. If you look at all the gear available, in hard-mode also, then it keeps changing as people tweek it here and there. People who don't have access to hardmode, because their guilds are not doing them, also need some help to determine BiS gear for them.
If it was so easy to model a complete BiS set, then the initial set wouldn't have needed to be posted here either for everyone to see, because people could just look for themselves in the spreadsheet.
It's quite a big help for non-hardmode raiders to know what optimal gear set outside of hardmode raids they should aim for eventually.

The argument that "it hasn't been done in the past" is just crap tbh.. So you're saying we should never do anything new and just stick to the old ways? The difficulties in the game varies as well as the game and players themselves, if more and more people feel they aren't able to experience the hardest stuff available, then why shouldn't this thread expand itself to include them also? Afterall we all just want to become our best within our limits - and in that sense this thread is still sticking to it's topic - best POSSIBLE dps (for those that can't do hardmode also now).