Thread of Ultimate Suck - Page 217

Pwnee · 06/23/09, 11:09 PM

I haven't found any sort of "direction" to where to start right after hitting 80. I am at the min hit cap with 100 hit rating...but I don't know what gear to look for...where to get it, etc.

I thought this thread would have it but I don't see it. Any info would be nice. thank you

Pwn

Jarathag · 06/24/09, 3:06 AM

Hello there, I have having a hard time deciding what is the best upgrade. I am debating between using Mechanist's Bindings(50 AP enchant), Thrusting Bands(50 AP enchant), Runed Ironhide Boots( Icewalker and 8agi 12 stam gem), and Footpads of Silence(Icewalker 8agi 12 stam and 16 agi gems). I have been tooling around with the combat spreadsheet(i am combat sword at the moment) and I am merely looking for some input. All values are taken unbuffed.

Mecanist's Bindings and Footpads of Silence:
Damage: 1007-1263
Speed: 2.12/1.23
Power:3824
Hit Raiting:313
Armor Pen Raiting:4.79%
Crit Chance:37.18%
Expertise:24/24
Agility:1437

Mecanist's Bindings and Runed Ironhide Boots:(my current set up)
Damage: 1002-1258
Speed: 2.12/1.23
Power:3797
Hit Raiting:265
Armor Pen Raiting:8.77%
Crit Chance:35.84%
Expertise:31/31
Agility:1427

Thrusting Bands and Footpads of Silence:
Damage: 1004-1260
Speed: 2.15/1.24
Power:3809
Hit Raiting:349
Armor Pen Raiting:4.79%
Crit Chance:36.24%
Expertise:29/29
Agility:1430

Kedrin · 06/24/09, 3:27 AM

Originally Posted by Jarathag

Hello there, I have having a hard time deciding what is the best upgrade. I am debating between using Mechanist's Bindings(50 AP enchant), Thrusting Bands(50 AP enchant), Runed Ironhide Boots( Icewalker and 8agi 12 stam gem), and Footpads of Silence(Icewalker 8agi 12 stam and 16 agi gems). I have been tooling around with the combat spreadsheet(i am combat sword at the moment) and I am merely looking for some input. All values are taken unbuffed.

Mecanist's Bindings and Footpads of Silence:
Damage: 1007-1263
Speed: 2.12/1.23
Power:3824
Hit Raiting:313
Armor Pen Raiting:4.79%
Crit Chance:37.18%
Expertise:24/24
Agility:1437

Mecanist's Bindings and Runed Ironhide Boots:(my current set up)
Damage: 1002-1258
Speed: 2.12/1.23
Power:3797
Hit Raiting:265
Armor Pen Raiting:8.77%
Crit Chance:35.84%
Expertise:31/31
Agility:1427

Thrusting Bands and Footpads of Silence:
Damage: 1004-1260
Speed: 2.15/1.24
Power:3809
Hit Raiting:349
Armor Pen Raiting:4.79%
Crit Chance:36.24%
Expertise:29/29
Agility:1430

I would take a guess, just by looking at them for 2 seconds, that Mecanist's Bindings and Footpads of Silence is the best set up. If you read "Pocket Guide to WOTLK" you would note that you only need 26 exp so if you have 29 or 31 exp you have wasted stats. Using a spread sheet would tell you better then anyone here could just by looking at the numbers. I would also suggest not using blue gems unless its your only one for your meta.

whitewidow · 06/24/09, 4:32 AM

Hello all, kind of new to this website but anyway. and if this topic has been covered my apologies just went to the last page but meh. Im currently leveling up a rogue and hell be 80 in a few weeks and i just want to know what will be the best pve spec for me when i ding 80 and have piss all gear, just like spec rotations glyphs etc.

thanks

etc. · 06/24/09, 4:33 AM

Can someone post a list of BiS for dru tanks?

VIPER-SGS · 06/24/09, 4:48 AM

Hello all ,

I have recently made a priest , and i would like to ask u all ..who can tell me ..the necesary stats i need to go for as shadow and as a disc ( healer - pve spec ), would realy apreciate this ty.

What is the Hit cap needed atm as shadow - using this spec : Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Also any points of view u can make abouth that spec-glyphs. ty

Btw here is the disco heal spec (PvE ): Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Also any points of view abouth the spec would be verry apresiated.

Madkappa · 06/24/09, 5:33 AM

Originally Posted by noobmage

A question about glyph.

My talents: 3/13/55

Conclusively is better:

glyph of life tap, glyph of conflagrate, glyph of incinerate

or

glyph of life tap, glyph of conflagrate, glyph of immolate

i read different sticky posts (All apparently updated to 3.1.) with the 2 choises.

If you're specced into ISL in Destruction (and there's really no reason not to) you don't want the Glyph of Life Tap. This may change with 3.2, but Incinerate/Conflagrate/Immolate are your best options at the moment.

Bramme · 06/24/09, 6:03 AM

Originally Posted by VIPER-SGS

Hello all ,

I have recently made a priest , and i would like to ask u all ..who can tell me ..the necesary stats i need to go for as shadow and as a disc ( healer - pve spec ), would realy apreciate this ty.

What is the Hit cap needed atm as shadow - using this spec : Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Also any points of view u can make abouth that spec-glyphs. ty

Btw here is the disco heal spec (PvE ): Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Also any points of view abouth the spec would be verry apresiated.

You really should take the time to read through some of the threads. Even if it's just the basics. Then you would know the hit cap is 289 (or about 11%), sp > all for shadow priests and that gearing a disc priest really depends on what you're doing in the raid.

_Feisty_ · 06/24/09, 6:20 AM

Bear BiS by Karthis (Of Teeth and Claws)

Bear BiS by Kalon (Think Tank) ...addendum

I think if you go by the general guidelines from this two lists you can't go much wrong.

Bossi · 06/24/09, 6:23 AM

edit: fail

tfp · 06/24/09, 6:56 AM

Originally Posted by Bossi

36y diameter, radius would be awesome though

It is radius. Diameter would mean that you would only heal targets that are about 15-20y away. This is not true. If someone is in your normal healing range you will most likely hit them with PoH.

MatsT · 06/24/09, 6:56 AM

Not sure why you are bothering with all of these half-assed macros. If you are trying to heal in BG's it's far more effective to get a raidframe addon like Grid that show health, range and debuffs, or if you don't want/can't get addons, use friendly nameplates along with default raid UI.

KungKulan · 06/24/09, 7:27 AM

If they want hunters to raid as BM again thay still have a lot to fix, cuz there are still bosses when u focus more to keep your pet alive then pump out your max dmg and gief back Kill Shot of Global Cd again !

Lantador · 06/24/09, 9:10 AM

Originally Posted by kooskie

I currently have FotFF and Mirror of Truth equipped, and I have recently acquired the Wrathstone from Kologarn in Ulduar 25.

Which is better for a Fury Warrior such as myself? I've heard various opinions about Wrathstone replacing MoT and various opinions about Wrathstone replacing FotFF.

Any proof?

Kuska @ Dragonmaw US

Get the spreadsheet, and import your character. Then its easy to just swap out the trinkets with different gear combinations and see what will give you the most DPS.

Dyallo · 06/24/09, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by dr_AllCOM3

A disease buff isn't Unholy only. Every DK profits from it. Blizz simply wants to make diseases a bit more promiment. They also aren't overpowered, since they take some time to set up.

EP is what's overpowered. No other class can buff aoe damage so massively.

Oh no, a unique ability in WoW?!

Nachtmahr · 06/24/09, 11:54 AM

Exactley EP is op, thats why my suggestion/idea was to make EP procc from Bloodstrikes not diseases...

Blazingmage · 06/24/09, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by ash2ash

Haste starts getting "wasted" as soon as you reach 50% haste through any combination of buffs or rating due to it no longer affecting global cooldown. This happens quite frequently especially during bloodlust, but since most mage spells have casttimes, it isn't something that you need to be too worried about.

In order for cast time spells to start getting clipped, your haste will have no affect past (cast time-1)*100% haste (ie (3-1)*100% = 200% haste for fireball) due to the spell being limited by a global cooldown. In my experience, the only time you even remotely begin to approach cast time spell caps are during Hodir or Vezax, but I mainly raid with fire/FFB so YMMV with frostbolt/arcane spec.

Keep in mind these numbers have absolutely no practical value. It doesn't account for latency, hotstreak, or other intangibles such as movement.

LB = 12 seconds.

Initial cast followed by 1.5sec GCD = 10.5 seconds of non-gcd limited casttime or 3 fireballs non-hasted.

HF = haste factor from external sources.  These are multipicative. (for instance, 3% ret + 5% from shaman and you have 1.03*1.05 = 1.0815)

X = personal haste rating

GCD time = 1.5/[HF*(1+(X/3279))]

TTC (Time to cast between living bombs) = LB - GCD time

FBCT (Fireball cast time) = 3/(HF*(1+X/3279))

Number of casts (truncate the value) = TTC / FBCT

I'll save you the math. In order to reach the first breakpoint of four fireballs, you need about 132 personal haste with a ret pally + GoA totem - easily attainable in blues. The second breakpoint of five fireballs is about 890 haste rating. There's really no point going further since current gear won't really support any extra fireballs unless you are under the effect of bloodlust.

I made a simple spreadsheet for this (Please check my math, I whipped this up pretty hastily)

There we go, just what I was looking for. Thanks a lot ^^

Korkmaz · 06/24/09, 12:14 PM

Hey, one question.. as Dual Wield.. whats better.. fast or slowly blades? or one fast and one slow blade? pls help i have one Hailstorm

klüger · 06/24/09, 12:32 PM

Problem is that other classes get their dot-crit from talents, and as such its more readily assumed that they get synergy from other talents.

Originally Posted by Mynd

Has anyone had a chance to test whether this is just a tooltip error? I can't believe that blizzard would have just gifted us another 2% hit and it must be either a bug or a tooltip that was hastily changed without thinking.

work on your reading

Originally Posted by Altiris

I think it is safe to assume that iMF and Vengeance both apply to periodic crits on Moonfire. They couldn't have made both our set bonuses crap, and with only 50% crits, this one would be.

*shrug*
its apparent that the 4pc is filler, they can't seriously implement a bonus that is worse then t7 (can they?)
I wouldn't assume either way though apparently the sets are buyable for gold on PTR, so if we could only log in it would be np to find out

Anubisknight · 06/24/09, 1:56 PM

When I try running the Rawr.exe file (after extracting the Rawr zip file), I get the error : "The application failed to initialize properly (0xc0000135). Click on OK to terminate the application. Is there anything that I am not doing right?

Thanks.

cremor · 06/24/09, 3:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anubisknight

Is there anything that I am not doing right?

Yes.

You have neither read the Readme.txt, nor used Google, nor used the search function in this thread/forum.

Grik · 06/24/09, 3:32 PM

I have a couple of questions:

First: I was wondering if it would be more worthwhile to spend money on leveling blacksmithing or buy a nobles deck for DMC:G. I would do both if I had the cash, but I just don't. I would be dropping mining, and I already have JC. Keep in mind I would be doing BS for the extra sockets. From what I can calculate, they are not too far apart cost-wise (maybe I'm wrong). Any recommendations would be appreciated.

Second: Is it worth using [Conqueror's Scourgestalker Legguards] to get my 4-set bonus over [Saronite Mesh Legguards]. Assume identical gems/enchants, Surv spec.

Thanks!

iliketurtles · 06/24/09, 4:51 PM

Hey whats going on everbody iam new to this site i read on here all the time. soo my question is about dps rotation as arms ive been arms the majority of the time ive played WoW and always tryed to better myself. Iam in the top guild on my sever on blackwater raiders and just trying to figure out whats the best rotation for warrior's to better myself as a player soo here is wat i do:

rend
MS main priorty
OP when procs
slam after OP
SD

ive gotten alot better on being on top of the meters but if anyone has any other specs or rotations that are better please let me know =)

ty guys appreacite it

Iroared · 06/24/09, 5:04 PM

Originally Posted by Grik

I have a couple of questions:

First: I was wondering if it would be more worthwhile to spend money on leveling blacksmithing or buy a nobles deck for DMC:G. I would do both if I had the cash, but I just don't. I would be dropping mining, and I already have JC. Keep in mind I would be doing BS for the extra sockets. From what I can calculate, they are not too far apart cost-wise (maybe I'm wrong). Any recommendations would be appreciated.

Second: Is it worth using [Conqueror's Scourgestalker Legguards] to get my 4-set bonus over [Saronite Mesh Legguards]. Assume identical gems/enchants, Surv spec.

Thanks!

Depends on what trinkets are you using now, bonus from DMC:G should outweigh 2 sockets unless you had something like wrathstone in that slot already. Also, unless your server economy is really screwed up, blacksmithing should be much cheaper to level than nobles deck costs - so the comparison isn't really fair. I think I spent around 2-3K to level blacksmithing and we had pretty inflated prices on ore, like 50g for stack of thorium and 70g for adamantite (I mined most of the adamantite, it takes very little time if you fly around blades edge).

About legs - I would try the speadsheet but it seems that 4-set bonus is a good reason to drop a 226 item for a set piece (especially if it has armor pen on it).

Kurianna · 06/24/09, 5:50 PM

Originally Posted by Grik

I have a couple of questions:

First: I was wondering if it would be more worthwhile to spend money on leveling blacksmithing or buy a nobles deck for DMC:G. I would do both if I had the cash, but I just don't. I would be dropping mining, and I already have JC. Keep in mind I would be doing BS for the extra sockets. From what I can calculate, they are not too far apart cost-wise (maybe I'm wrong). Any recommendations would be appreciated.

Second: Is it worth using [Conqueror's Scourgestalker Legguards] to get my 4-set bonus over [Saronite Mesh Legguards]. Assume identical gems/enchants, Surv spec.

Thanks!

I'm SV as well, and have the pants as part of my 4pc (offtier shoulders for now). I broke the set by swapping in the Saronite Mess Leggings, and my dps dropped by 20. I had to change one gem to a Vivid Forest Emerald to keep my hit at capped, do to currently having the 6 hit socket bonus on the tier legs. Now, other stats would affect this, so I would also suggest plugging your specifics in the sheet and testing it before making a decision.