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Old 06/30/09, 11:50 AM   #5576
hakana
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Scarlet Crusade
Confused

I was just wondering if someone could look me up and give me a hand, I have been reading forum's forever and currently use Rawr for my gear and such, but, I still seem to be getting beat in dps by peeps in lesser gear even if I use the exact same rotation. Bad luck? I hardly doubt it
 
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Old 06/30/09, 12:44 PM   #5577
keebz
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Malfurion
Just as a rough estimate, what should be the DPS of an unholy Death Knight doing his first/second Naxxramas? Also anyone's own DPS if they remember it during their first/second Naxx would be helpful too. What should you aim for? 2000? 1500+?

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Old 06/30/09, 1:20 PM   #5578
Namuka
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Lightbringer
Unsure about this

So is there a graph which shows when crit wanes off as you get more of it and armor penetration and haste become more important? Does the spreadsheet dps take all of these stats into account when showing gain/loss in gear changes? I would imagine these stats are very indivudal specific. I have about 35% crit and was wondering if I should swap relentless edge for the staff from Uld10 with armor penetration etc.
 
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Old 06/30/09, 2:08 PM   #5579
Fuzzymage
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Spinebreaker
Howdy, first time poster but long time reader.

Does anyone know if the FoL Hot will trigger a heal on the Beacon target? If it does then raids with multiple paladins would provide the best MT healing setup. 4FoL casts to get the HoT's rolling and then HL to keep Lights Grace up.

Example Scenario:
Setup: A 25man raid with 4 paladins (prefer all with divine guardian for SS buff) and a preferred non Pally tank.
All paladins place SS on themselves and proceed to cast their rotation of FoL to keep HoTs rolling on all SS targets (targets need to be known and SS needs to be up 100%) and thus flwoi. Would a viable FoL rotation work by throwing FoL on all the SS targets causing a steady trickle of 1400-1600 hot ticks on the Beacon target work? This is all dependent on if Beacon of Light receives heals from the FoL hot. This would create a cascade of constant healing tic's as long as the HoT's are maintained with the SS buff.

**Edit**

Thanks, sorry missed the post where it was explained, posting from work = missing some posts.

Last edited by Fuzzymage : 06/30/09 at 3:04 PM.
 
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Old 06/30/09, 2:41 PM   #5580
Worldofrage
Banned
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Eldre'Thalas
Why warrior DPS?

I've been a long time reader of posts relating to anything to do with warriors. Very recently I have switched my spec to arms and have seen, like many others, that until we reach the cusp of Ulduar gear we usually find ourselves neck to neck with Fury warriors (with a few exceptions of course). However, it seems that we also almost always tend to see our DPS near or at the bottom of the damage/DPS meters in high end raiding guilds. I absolutely love my warrior, and have been trying everything possible to improve my output. I originally sought to post about my recent discovery of simply switching my spec from a typical arms to a typical fury spec, and adding a decent off hand weapon and seeing my DPS (in Landsouls spreadsheet) go up by over 100 points. Yet, I now see how little that matters when the highest end gear for DPS warriors only puts out 6-7k, while every other melee class can surpass that, I wonder when Blizzard is, if ever, going to bring the DPS warrior back into an important role in raids. Currently I do on average of about 6k in Ulduar as arms. However I was rejected from one of the top guilds on my server, simply because they can only afford to have one DPS warrior in their guild; and even then, I see him sitting on certain fights which require incredibly heavy DPS. Why? Why is it that we cannot even have a fair chance with other melee classes? I'm looking forward to see what kind of an effect the upcoming changes will have on our class as DPS and hope that people can share what they feel about this seemingly unfair disadvantage that our particular melee class is currently in. Again, I understand the forum rules. I'm not complaining so much as asking others to argue my observations. I want someone to prove me wrong, so I have some hope at the end of the tunnel in respect to my warrior.
 
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Old 06/30/09, 3:09 PM   #5581
runic
Banned
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Blackhand
tier 7.5 again?

I know a completely new set of gear will come out with 3.2, but if I remember correctly the jump from tier 7 to tier 8 was minimal at best, and in 3.2 I was thinking would it be possible that t7.5 will become better than t8.5 again? A couple of points.
A scourge strike damage reduction will also reduce the damage buff from 4 pc t8
B With the buff to death coil, the extra 5 RP per scourge strike might once again push t7 on top.
Any of you math junkies care to do your thing?
Once again I do realize t9 will trivialize this argument, but wouldn't it be funny that when 3.2 comes out your BiS gear pre 3.2 raiding will be good old scourgeborne.
 
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Old 06/30/09, 3:10 PM   #5582
bchorn
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Icecrown
Originally Posted by hakana View Post
I was just wondering if someone could look me up and give me a hand, I have been reading forum's forever and currently use Rawr for my gear and such, but, I still seem to be getting beat in dps by peeps in lesser gear even if I use the exact same rotation. Bad luck? I hardly doubt it
Stop using Rawr and use the spreadsheet
 
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Old 06/30/09, 3:35 PM   #5583
Speeder
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Orc Warrior
 
Burning Legion (EU)
Originally Posted by bchorn View Post
I think we are not keeping up with other melee classes in terms of DPS because our Tier 8 set is sorely lacking crit when compared to our Tier 7 gear.

Tier 7 vs Tier 8 comparision: Rogue
Tier 7 vs Tier 8 comparision: Shaman
Tier 7 vs Tier 8 comparision: Warrior

Rogues only lose some stamina and some haste when they upgrade to Tier 8. Shaman's only lose a minor amount of expertise, hit, and stamina. Warriors on the other hand lose 3.42% crit. Couple that loss with the shortage of plate gear with crit on it and you can see why warrior dps is not scaling with other classes.
crit isnt that important (raid buffed I am at 45%, in t7 it could be 50%, not so big difference), we got Arp from t8 which benefits us greatly. Its just class mechanics + rogue 4pc t8.5 bonus

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Old 06/30/09, 3:47 PM   #5584
bombdigie
Banned
 
Human Mage
 
Cenarius
Originally Posted by Solisa View Post
The main reason no one is terribly concerned about arcane explosion is because Blizzard is similar DPS (or better?) while being far more sustainable and far less dangerous for arcane.
You know everyone always says that blizzard does more damage than any other AOE. I think thats nonsense, when I'm FFB and I blizzard AOE, I'm behind almost all other dps classes, however when I'm FB and I spam AE I'm always on top of the meters. I'm not sure if blizzard is that much safer either, because I have 40% reduced agro vs. 10%.

Recount doesn't lie... AE spam wins.
 
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Old 06/30/09, 4:44 PM   #5585
Rithgor
Glass Joe
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Uldum
Im curious, in your expert opinions, do these changes to DW, make it viable for tanking?
 
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Old 06/30/09, 5:05 PM   #5586
robm78
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Malorne
Sup Guys...

So I just hit 80 last night on my lock and I am now Destruction. I am looking to raid with him and I have learned quite a bit from just reading off this site. So plz take a look at my gear/build etc... would love any tips for max DPS! My build isnt updated but I currently have 3/15/53.

My rotation is Immolate, conflagrate, CB, CoA, Corruption, Incinerate, Incinerate......rinse and repeat.

I'm doing just over 2500 DPS with my gear.

Another question is I seem to lose DPS on Trash mobs....Am I supposed to just cast Seed of Corruption?? any tips on Trash mobs would be great also.

Thanks guys.
 
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Old 06/30/09, 6:07 PM   #5587
Supergreat
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Earthen Ring
Originally Posted by Loryli View Post
To help explain what Boevis is telling you think of it this way:
Now if you have 50% dodge and add 1% dodge you are now mitigating 2% of the overall incoming damage, not 1%. Think of it this way. Originally we are taking 100 DPS, with 50% dodge it becomes 50 DPS. With 1% more dodge that 50 DPS drops to 49 DPS, a 2% decrease in the current damage we are taking. In this way while dodge becomes harder to increase, it also becomes more powerful per point gained. It scales much like armor does in that respect.
So as Boevis says - Agility will always be our best mitigation stat, aside from armor.
This was a very useful illustration/explanation for me, thanks!
 
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Old 06/30/09, 6:42 PM   #5588
firestórm
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Khadgar (EU)
Originally Posted by Thaeryn View Post
@firestorm - The addon works for any level of paladin that has at least taken the Crusader Strike talent. Also, it does not work for Holy or Protection specs at all.
, Sorry Thaery if i sound like a total
nob, but you said this addon works for any level Retribution paladin that as taken Crusader Strike talent. but how can it work when to get that talent you need to spend 40 points in Retribution tree to even active thst talent making you level 51.

So could you please explaine how that make's it work for any level paladin thank you.

Even if you have made a mistake and ment heart of the Crusader witch i don't think you would of done, even that talent Required level: 17
 
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Old 06/30/09, 6:45 PM   #5589
Ash***
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Death Knight
 
Feathermoon
Excellent, thank you.
 
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Old 06/30/09, 6:50 PM   #5590
coderego
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Firetree
Mediation: Allows 50% of your mana regeneration to continue while casting.

What exactly does that mean? That wihout the spell you regen 0 mana while casting? Or that your mp5 while casting is increased?

I ask because, I find that as a holy priest I very rarely cast. I use mostly instants. POM, Renews, instant flash heals, COH, etc. My only real cast is prayer of healing.

Thanks for the help!
 
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Old 06/30/09, 6:53 PM   #5591
Syan48306
Glass Joe
 
Human Priest
 
Magtheridon
I've read around and all the comments that I have found are pertaining to paladins.
What is the best item in terms of regen: [Pandora's Plea] vs [Sif's Remembrance]

I'm running with pandora's atm with 3 x runed dragon's eyes, so if i were to use the sif, i'd gem 3 int dragon's eyes. It's pretty much the same, just want to know what's the better trinket for regen.
 
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Old 06/30/09, 7:06 PM   #5592
ShuSham
Glass Joe
 
Shusham
Draenei Shaman
 
Aerie Peak
Originally Posted by Rouncer View Post
Normal breakdown except you aren't using Magma Totem and Magma Totem is a significant source of damage especially on Sarth with all the adds.
ok tks
 
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Old 06/30/09, 9:25 PM   #5593
Ashol
Glass Joe
 
Orc Hunter
 
Wildhammer
i must be an idiot

is there a macro that i can use that does blood fury, kill command, rapid fire, beastial wrath, pets skills, and possibly kill shot and then go back using my shot priority list manually till i can use kill shot again please shoot holes it this or make it work you freakin geniuses.








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Old 06/30/09, 9:48 PM   #5594
Kinsnap
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Priest
 
Muradin
Thanks for the response!

Last edited by Kinsnap : 07/01/09 at 2:52 PM.
 
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Old 06/30/09, 9:49 PM   #5595
Zeyk_Shade
Von Kaiser
 
Zeyk_Shade's Avatar
 
Orc Rogue
 
Mal'Ganis


Nug Energy Bars
Rogue Power Bars
Pitbull
kgPanels
Chatter
Mutilate Points
Poisoner
Chinchilla Map
BigWigs
Skada
Loggerhead
Fubar
GuildFu
CalendarFu
DurabilityFu
Loggerhead
QuestGuru
nQuest
Lightheaded
Combuctor

20 - 23MB total
 
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Old 06/30/09, 9:52 PM   #5596
Ashol
Glass Joe
 
Orc Hunter
 
Wildhammer
damb i am an idiot then

please show example of macro recomended

man i wish there was a thread for each type of hunter sv,bm, & mm that show the end all currently working macros that are recommended and detailed explainations of there use instead of "you suck that dont work this works /no you suck that dont work here is what i do....."



being new has its advantages, and being experience sure must suck.
 
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Old 06/30/09, 10:33 PM   #5597
mde
Glass Joe
 
Human Rogue
 
Garithos
WTB Disc BiS list.. i think it's considerably diff since the argument of haste>crit for disc
 
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Old 06/30/09, 11:46 PM   #5598
FizzSprocket
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Silver Hand
Originally Posted by Lieska View Post
Admittedly it's been a very long time since I levelled my rogue but I believe where it differs from casters in particular is that it's considerably more effective sticking to mobs a bit below your level, unless you're heavily twinked. That way you kill quickly and take little damage and can just move from mob to mob with no downtime. Other classes need to regain mana anyway so health loss is irrelevant, or they have some form of self healing, making the higher experience gain per mob worth it for them.
While next patch will make things a lot easier for levelling a rogue (Axes are generally better itemised at lower levels) and BoA chest, i still think survivability is an issue.

I was able to twink my character, but dieing to a 23 crocolisk whilst 25 is a bit of a deterrence for the newer players.


I also picked up as much hit as i could whilst levelling, there is still the problem of hitting 20% of the time.
 
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Old 07/01/09, 12:13 AM   #5599
Mellowman187
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Death Knight
 
Kel'Thuzad
Good Post Very Helpful!
 
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Old 07/01/09, 7:16 AM   #5600
rokachub
Glass Joe
 
Uhoh
Orc Warrior
 
Jubei'Thos
Hey guys, first time posting in here but long time reader. I've been playing as prot since level 68, even did the long grind from 70 to 80 as prot haha. Its been a little slow on the raiding so i decided to go arms for a little while to test it out. With my current gear im sitting at 34.5% crit and 3.2k AP unbuffed. Im a over on hit cap and will be regemming shortly, my question is this; Since my gear isnt so great, will it do me better to gem all Str or should i go for the full ArP gem setup? Thanks in advance

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