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07/01/09, 7:25 AM
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#5601
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Bald Bull
Human Warrior
Turalyon (EU)
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Originally Posted by rokachub
Hey guys, first time posting in here but long time reader. I've been playing as prot since level 68, even did the long grind from 70 to 80 as prot haha. Its been a little slow on the raiding so i decided to go arms for a little while to test it out. With my current gear im sitting at 34.5% crit and 3.2k AP unbuffed. Im a over on hit cap and will be regemming shortly, my question is this; Since my gear isnt so great, will it do me better to gem all Str or should i go for the full ArP gem setup? Thanks in advance
Armory
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Warrior DPS Calculation Spreadsheet
Make sure to read the post and the instructions on the first page of the spreadsheet to avoid errors. Then use the Armory import function in the top right of the Arms spreadsheet and experiment with ArP and Str gems.
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Unexpected TankPoints error
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Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler, justifying Druid health > Warrior health
To be generous, the warrior has 50K and the druid has 55K? How many times is that 5K going to make a difference when the boss hits for 40K? I know more Stam is always better, even in relatively trivial amounts. But until the magnitude is so large that the druid can survive one more hit than the warrior, it isn’t likely to crop up often.
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Clearly someone doesn't understand how EH works. That, or upgrading from T8 to T9 is optional in beating Arthas. Clearly.
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07/01/09, 7:38 AM
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#5602
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Glass Joe
Undead Rogue
Bloodfeather (EU)
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Weapon Choice
Hey people i need someone else's opinion on weapon choice. this is my current gear : The World of Warcraft Armory.
With this current gear and spec the spreadsheet indicates that my charactor is able to dish out 6960.8 dps.
I recently got my hands on [Stonerender] and [Vulmir, the Northern Tempest]. interestingly enough when i inserted these 2 weap's to the spreadsheet and put 5 points on mace spec there was a slight drop in dps to 6955.2 dps. but it also gave an extra 2% hit chance.
that said, what would your choice be between the current swords i have and these new mace's given their item level and dps?
any info would be apreciated, thx! 
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07/01/09, 8:13 AM
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#5603
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Glass Joe
Uhoh
Orc Warrior
Jubei'Thos
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Originally Posted by Liar
Warrior DPS Calculation Spreadsheet
Make sure to read the post and the instructions on the first page of the spreadsheet to avoid errors. Then use the Armory import function in the top right of the Arms spreadsheet and experiment with ArP and Str gems.
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I've tried to do that but it gets an error. I allowed all the macros and stuff like that but just doesnt want to work.
*edit* got it working
Any tips from anyone though?
Last edited by rokachub : 07/01/09 at 8:24 AM.
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07/01/09, 8:21 AM
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#5604
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by winst
I see the chat has moved onto trinkets/internal cooldowns so I'll post a picture of how I deal with it (and yes, I find it very useful).
underneath MY unit frame on the lower middle left are the active trinket procs, and under my target frame on the lower middle right are the internal CDs. Procodile, btw.
(my ui has changed a little since this shot, but those elements remain the same and I post only to demonstrate a trinket monitoring mod.)
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was just wondering what the addon displaying the internal CD on trinkets is called if someone might know ?
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07/01/09, 9:45 AM
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#5605
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Glass Joe
Undead Priest
Ahn'Qiraj (EU)
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thanks
thanks
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07/01/09, 9:46 AM
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#5606
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Glass Joe
Undead Priest
Ahn'Qiraj (EU)
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ima shelhas zona!
thank you!
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07/01/09, 9:47 AM
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#5607
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by KergeKacsa
MM is not bad when moving. You got 1 more instant than SV (Arcane instead of BA), and you haven't got Sniper training.
(And lot of the fight doesn't need too much running.)
Let's see the bosses:
Ignis, Razorscale, XT, Assembly of Iron, Kologarn, Auriaya, Mimiron, Hodir, Thorim, Freya: MM
XT Hard mode: SV, if you are killing the sparks (we do with 3 hunters), MM if you on the boss (As SV, I shoot HM, BA, SrS on the boss, and ExS, Aimed, SS on the sparks)
General Vezax: SV (You can do more dmg with lower AotV-time.)
Yogg-Saron: MM (if you are on Yoggi in the last phase, if not you can choose SV too, but I didn't used to.)
MM is relatively weaker then SV if you have to shoot lot of individual adds with little HP, because there is no time to achive full serpent dmg, no time to piercing shots.
If there is a lot of adds at a time, MM is better than SV because bigger volley-dps.
With pure 1-boss dmg MM is better, even when running (one instant shoot with low-CD instead of a dot with longer CD).
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Correct me if I am wrong but I was under the impression that MM do rely on SteadyShot (for the procs etc.) as well as AutoShots more then Survival . The so-called xtra instant shot is Arcane which can readily be omitted within Rotation. And more importantly Survival Hunters main damage is Explosive Shot which usually provides around 40% of All the damage. While MM dps much more homogenious. I was thinking that what really matters is the DPS % of Instants vs Timed Casts where a Survival Hunters Steady Shot damage sits somewhere around 8%-10%
Also please let me know if u can give a few "hints" or "tricks" to let me adapt MM readily
Thanks in advance
PS: I failed to inform earlier.. I am talking about Hardmodes such as XT-Freya-Thorim and Yogg where the DPS really matters. Other straight fights I simply don't find it worthwhile to switch spec for a couple hundred dps since it will be easy kill anyway.
PS2 : Also to get full benefit from MM talents it looks like I need to make sure my target has Hunters Mark on it
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07/01/09, 10:19 AM
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#5608
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Glass Joe
Gawad
Blood Elf Paladin
Non-US/EU Server (EU)
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I havn't been able to get on the PTR myself but had a quick scroll through this thread and judging by posted screenshots seal of vengeance seems to be topping the damage meter. Just curious if wearing 2p t8.5 tanking will be viable as dps, not too good with the maths myself and can't test it out at the minute.
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07/01/09, 10:21 AM
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#5609
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Glass Joe
Human Paladin
Frostmourne (EU)
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Thanks for this information, I didn't know that at all. Really weird :S. So I have to switch my spot now  .
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07/01/09, 10:34 AM
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#5610
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Paladin
Wildhammer
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Crits on Ssting is gonna be OP can't wait, grinded a hunter just for 3.2, Patch notes scared me away from holy paladin, 
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07/01/09, 10:44 AM
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#5611
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Glass Joe
Human Warlock
Khaz'goroth (EU)
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Hey Guys,
just wanted you to have a look at my parse, as I am not this happy with my DPS the last time.
My UI has any "required" addons like Boss Timers and Dot Timer.
First of all my
WoW Armory Link
And these are the last 2 raids I have taken part at:
World of Logs
World of Logs
Hopefully you guys can give me some hints in order to improve my DPS.
Thanks
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07/01/09, 10:50 AM
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#5612
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Glass Joe
Undead Rogue
Frostmane (EU)
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Originally Posted by Yurichi
was just wondering what the addon displaying the internal CD on trinkets is called if someone might know ?
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If u read his post again he calls it Procodile. 
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07/01/09, 11:03 AM
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#5613
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Banned
Night Elf Druid
Silvermoon (EU)
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sometimes people forget i think that tanking is kina a race to keep yourself alive(not one to dodge the most hits) so even if you dodge alote of hits per % the most important thing is to stay alive ,it s never a good ideea to go only focus at avoidance ....because you may have 65% dodge but if you have low armor or stamina you may get a random consecutive 3 hits that kill you while someone with 40% dodge may be still alive after the same hits because he stacks stamina too and armor(considering that you are healed)
considering diminishing returns on agility and dodge i think is very wrong to say agility/dodge are still more importent then stamina even at high avoidance
for exemple still considering agility better then stamina when you have 65% dodge i think is very wrong
also most hardest fights to tank(hardmodes) in my opinion tend to favor stamina over dodge/agility
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07/01/09, 11:10 AM
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#5614
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by calebdk
If u read his post again he calls it Procodile. 
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well the thing is i've had Procodile down but i haven't been able to work it like that so it was more like if he had wrote the wrong one >_> nvm me :< /selfslap
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07/01/09, 11:10 AM
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#5615
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Glass Joe
Human Death Knight
Khaz'goroth
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I personally use blood spec for pvp because it increases survivability by a substantial amount when a healer is not present. Every 3 minutes I can pop the majority of my cooldowns and be generating so much health back that it would take 3-5 people to eventually take me down over the span of 45-60 seconds?<--fair guess using 800 resilience. I have a macro that incorporates hysteria, trinket and a full rune spam which works very well. For the 5 minutes cooldown I add in empowered rune weapon and it just cracks healers down. I run with a prot war so we can hold someone down for no less than 15 or so seconds. Also with my current build I have a vampiricblood>licheborn>(targetself)deathcoil spam, good for around 13k hp with 80 runepower for emergency situations. Also if you are able to identify the high dpser for their team early I throw mark of blood on them, so for every hit they land it heals for 1000-1500 based on around 21k.
I personally use this build - Blood PVP
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
There is more than likely room for improvement, also the skills aren't necessarily set to maximize dps..however, it gives you alot of utility and boosts crit % through skills. Critiques are always welcome.
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07/01/09, 12:01 PM
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#5616
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Glass Joe
Tauren Shaman
Nordrassil (EU)
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Here is my ui i use

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07/01/09, 12:27 PM
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#5617
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Glass Joe
Draenei Shaman
Emerald Dream (EU)
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Curiuos about a spec.
I've seen a interesting spec. recently, and i'm wondering about it's potential. It seems a bit greedy, but hey everyone's a jerk anyway.
I'll respec and run some dummy test with it.
Spec being thus:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Not sure about the glyphs, major ones. What do you think?
Edit: i've been looking through EJ and wow-forums and heard rumor of numbers being run for this spec but can't seem to find any.
Last edited by zfate : 07/01/09 at 12:52 PM.
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07/01/09, 1:10 PM
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#5618
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Glass Joe
Tauren Warrior
Moon Guard
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I have a quick question. I can not for the life of me figure out why my dps is around 1k less than it should be according to landsoul's spreadsheet. I used to raid as arms (have been arms since level 1 ) but am now fury for the guild, and would love any tips you have.
Wow Web Stats
is a wws from the last run we did. was in 25 man ulduar, and this was about average for buffs and group makeup I usualy run with, my lag is around 350-400 ms. Thank you in advance for any help you guys can give.
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07/01/09, 1:40 PM
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#5619
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Glass Joe
Tauren Warrior
Moon Guard
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I did adjust latency and race yes. But you may have a point on the 'not a machine part'. I just wanted to make sure I was just not completely fail lol.
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07/01/09, 1:46 PM
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#5620
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Glass Joe
Human Warlock
Kargath (EU)
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Thanks, this helped me alot! The background is that i want to test some sets without changing the items ingame, logout, wait for armory update, etc. 
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07/01/09, 2:04 PM
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#5621
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Paladin
Frostmane (EU)
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Originally Posted by Shadycasting
Hit. the biggest difference in gear requirements form FFb to FB/TTW is the hit requirement since you do not get Precision. To be raid hit capped (assuming heroic presence and a 3% hit buff) you have to hit 13% hit which is somewhere in the vicinity of 360 hit.
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I see, so for me beeing horde, that hit cap would be somewhere close to 400 hit ?
And also, I remeber reading somewhere that spirit is an important factor, how much spirit should I have for fire/ttw to be superior to frostfire, asuming hit caping?
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07/01/09, 2:15 PM
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#5622
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Glass Joe
Human Warlock
Earthen Ring
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I was wondering for warriors who are still ingearing and doing mostly naxx 25, what spec is better?
I currently run Arms, (Thrallus on Earthen Ring) and do about 2500, and about 2200 as fury. But I feel like I should be doing more.
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07/01/09, 2:19 PM
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#5623
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Bald Bull
Human Warrior
Turalyon (EU)
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Originally Posted by Lillyanne
I was wondering for warriors who are still ingearing and doing mostly naxx 25, what spec is better?
I currently run Arms, (Thrallus on Earthen Ring) and do about 2500, and about 2200 as fury. But I feel like I should be doing more.
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Warrior DPS Calculation Spreadsheet Play around some. ^_^
(If I were to make a guess, I'd say Arms is better with non-optimal gear, but better be sure and check yourself)
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Unexpected TankPoints error
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Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler, justifying Druid health > Warrior health
To be generous, the warrior has 50K and the druid has 55K? How many times is that 5K going to make a difference when the boss hits for 40K? I know more Stam is always better, even in relatively trivial amounts. But until the magnitude is so large that the druid can survive one more hit than the warrior, it isn’t likely to crop up often.
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Clearly someone doesn't understand how EH works. That, or upgrading from T8 to T9 is optional in beating Arthas. Clearly.
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07/01/09, 2:19 PM
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#5624
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Deeper Shade of Blue
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Originally Posted by zfate
I've seen a interesting spec. recently, and i'm wondering about it's potential. It seems a bit greedy, but hey everyone's a jerk anyway.
I'll respec and run some dummy test with it.
Spec being thus:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Not sure about the glyphs, major ones. What do you think?
Edit: i've been looking through EJ and wow-forums and heard rumor of numbers being run for this spec but can't seem to find any.
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It's a horrible spec and you should be ashamed of yourself for even contemplating it. Do you really think 5% crit to lightning bolts is worth giving up Feral Spirits for? 5% crit to LB is worth about 50dps. My wolves have output as much as 1200 dps while they are active making them worth 300dps, 300>50.
Skipping Imp WF Totem and Enhancing Totems only works if you have another Shaman acting as your totem bitch since otherwise it is a significant loss of raid dps for a minimal personal gain. Finally 1 point in call of flame is worth more dps then 1 point in reverberation.
Lastly why are you doing posting this here? This is the TTT thread and the discussion here should be related specifically to the TTT. That post belongs in the Shaman class forums under the simple questions thread.
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07/01/09, 2:23 PM
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#5625
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Warlock
Aerie Peak
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Thanks again eredor! Completely the opposite of what I expected from the results though, go figure. Back to the trainer I go.
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