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Old 07/01/09, 4:50 PM   #5626
Hailstormdps
Glass Joe
 
Undead Mage
 
Area 52
From reading all these post this is what I have gathered. I am currently running the deep arcane spec (57/3/11). I am looking to run the FFB spec as it seems to be producing the same DPS numbers if not greater. (Please correct that statement if wrong).
Seems that the hit rating is still the 11% and crit rating needs to be roughly 30-32% (before molten amour). I still can not seem to find a definite answer as to what your base SP should be. I have seen 2K to 2.5K. I have seen less then 2K with the points in the correct talents to offset the lose. What is the general base SP that one should be around to successfully pull FFB off?

This is a build that I found. Is it a good one?

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
 
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Old 07/01/09, 5:13 PM   #5627
abomb
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Black Dragonflight
So I am fairly new to the death knight and I would like to think im a special cookie and have came up with a pretty awesome spec. Then reality hits me and I realize there are a lot of very intelligent posters here so I signed up and have been lurking around for a while... lots of great info here.

I have spent a decent amount of time working and re-working my build for small group pvp and some bgs

this is it:

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

its a 19/52 build (unholy/blood) based on increased damage, a "group" heal every 30 seconds, and pet / diseases from unholy.

Do my glyphs look good or would you change any?

Are there any tweaks you guys would do to my build?

Im wondering how this would stack up versus an unholy / frost build

my gear is bad at the moment so keep thatn in mind

thanks guys.
 
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Old 07/01/09, 5:17 PM   #5628
NagL
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Vashj (EU)
I guess there are more ppl then me that are confused about ARP and the Cap. I know the cap is at 100% = 1230 rating? and FF / Sunder Armor dont count there. And now to the part Im cunfused with, how does it work for a lvl 83 boss? The rating is the same I guess but our 10% from battle stance, is it still 10% for a lvl 83 boss or its lower?

I have been searching with no luck tho...

/Nagel
 
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Old 07/01/09, 6:01 PM   #5629
Hailstormdps
Glass Joe
 
Undead Mage
 
Area 52
I guess what I am trying figure out is how to successfully make the switch from deep arcane to fire/FFB spec. All this info is hard to digest as I make the transition from a casual player who only goes into raids when the raid needs a warm body, to be a valued part of my guilds raid progression.

So something like this would be better then the last build?

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
 
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Old 07/01/09, 7:48 PM   #5630
halachi
Glass Joe
 
Orc Shaman
 
Spirestone
I have a quick question, a few people have been telling me that haste is now the best stat to stack for enhance shamans, but then again a few have been telling me that attack power is still the best. my question is what is the best gem now for enhance shamans to use? ive even seen quite a few shamans gemming attack power and critical strike
can someone help me with this
 
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Old 07/01/09, 8:24 PM   #5631
Manateee
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Andorhal
Ok so none of that really answers the question... lol
 
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Old 07/01/09, 11:56 PM   #5632
Wase
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Garithos
What is the best spec for T8.5 4 set?

Quick explantion why would great as well.

Thank You
 
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Old 07/02/09, 1:00 AM   #5633
irgendwer
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Gnome Mage
 
Azshara (EU)
Originally Posted by Info View Post
I've been seeing a lot of discussion about the maximum possible Arcane dps- being ABlast spam.

My question is; would ABlast spam's dps be higher than using any rotation involving Amissiles or Abarrage, if you spec'd into as much mana regen talents as possible?
To clarify, I would plan on using a spec that goes into fire for the mana return from criticals (30% return), along with going deep into Arcane, but skipping Missile Barrage and ABarrage and the like- focusing purely on buffing ABlast.
(Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft) ~Using Mage Armor for more regen.

Would this be sustainable?
Would the mana gains be enough to sustain ABlast spam?
Would ABlast spam under this model make up for not speccing into Icy Veins and any other talent that buffs AMissiles/ABarrage?
Would Mage Armor be necessary to maximize mana regen or would the extra critical strike from Molten Armor be enough to compensate with the mana return on crits (losing the extra 50% spirit regen)?

I am trying to figure out how to maximize Arcane dps, because I really do enjoy it more than Fire or Frost.
SLOW is definitly a must have.... at least thats what 90% of the ppl think which ask other ones to rate their shitspecs..


If u really want a viable shitspec. ("viable")
http://wowdata.buffed.de/talentplane...0050303031002q
boom there u go - Frostbolt till Procc then Am - with cooldowns abspam
 
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Old 07/02/09, 5:50 AM   #5634
Noxifer
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Die Nachtwache (EU)
what waist to take

Just wanted to ask what u guys think about the two waist items u can get from tailoring. All destro wl s i know are using the one with

hit and haste, comparing them comes down to:

Cord of the white Dawn: 19 Sp, crit 48 VS 49 haste, 43 hit (sash of ancient power)

I wonder if the only reason for using the "caster" waist are the 43 hit, maybe considering later eq changes?

help me out pls, my guild wants me to decide before next raid^^
 
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Old 07/02/09, 5:54 AM   #5635
Testonut
Glass Joe
 
Orc Rogue
 
Darksorrow (EU)
Hey

I got a couple of questions im hoping someone can answer me.

First of all, you can see my gear here:

The World of Warcraft Armory

Before yesterdays raid, I used Grim Toll instead of Wrathstone - so I had 416 hit.
Wrathstone dropped, but I was playing on a computer with no spreadsheets on.. so I assumed Wrathstone would give me an increase in DPS since I already had so much hit. But now that im on my own computer again, and plug it into my spreadsheet - it says I lose approx. 55dps. Is this really correct, is Grim Toll that much better - despite the fact that I got way too much hit already?

- I feel a bit silly for taking this trinket now, if the spreadsheet is correct. Hopefully I can make a ticket and give the trinket to someone else in the guild, who might need it more than I do.


"Trust your spreadsheet" -- well this brings me to another question;

I am not expertise capped atm. So.. I could for instance buy "Belt of the Twilight Assassin", or gem some red slots with Expertise.. but it only shows a DECREASE in dps. Ain't it that important to be expertise capped as combat?

And one last thing, the spreadsheet shows an increase in DPS when I gem my boots with only red gems. But that can't be correct since my meta gem doesn't work without a blue gem.


As you can see, im a bit confused on how much I can really trust the spreadsheet (FYI, I use Combat_1.1.xls )

Thanks for your time!
 
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Old 07/02/09, 7:43 AM   #5636
Istaril
Piston Honda
 
Undead Rogue
 
Mal'Ganis
Is this really correct, is Grim Toll that much better
Yes. And hit above poison cap is not "Wasted", just less efficient - and sword spec benefits more from hit than most others.

Ain't it that important to be expertise capped as combat
It really isn't - your finishing moves can't be dodged (surprise attacks).

nd one last thing, the spreadsheet shows an increase in DPS when I gem my boots with only red gems. But that can't be correct since my meta gem doesn't work without a blue gem.
Your spreadsheet obviously assumes that you've activated the meta, as well you should be.
 
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Old 07/02/09, 9:10 AM   #5637
Orgath
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Orc Warlock
 
Kargath (EU)
Originally Posted by Noxifer View Post
Just wanted to ask what u guys think about the two waist items u can get from tailoring. All destro wl s i know are using the one with

hit and haste, comparing them comes down to:

Cord of the white Dawn: 19 Sp, crit 48 VS 49 haste, 43 hit (sash of ancient power)

I wonder if the only reason for using the "caster" waist are the 43 hit, maybe considering later eq changes?

help me out pls, my guild wants me to decide before next raid^^
OptiGear - BiS warlock gear optimiser (alpha)

or use chardev.org v6 ~ a World of Warcraft character planner to plan your next gear updates.

using Ancient Power (which is considered BiS by current simcraft scale factors) makes planning a lot easier and eventualy frees up that hit trinket slot.

for a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest - Simon & Garfunkel
 
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Old 07/02/09, 10:37 AM   #5638
Désespoir
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Priest
 
Cho'gall (EU)
So "Cataclysm" will be Bonnie "Azshara" Parker and Clyde "Sargeras" Barrow last ride on Azeroth ?
 
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Old 07/02/09, 11:01 AM   #5639
blaren
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Thorium Brotherhood
Rotation

What is the current rotation for 0/13/58?
 
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Old 07/02/09, 11:06 AM   #5640
Testonut
Glass Joe
 
Orc Rogue
 
Darksorrow (EU)
Thanks for the reply

GM ticket has been made, and a hunter should get Wrathstone from me soon
 
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Old 07/02/09, 12:13 PM   #5641
CowTree
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Uldaman
Thanks.
 
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Old 07/02/09, 1:02 PM   #5642
Heavygear
Glass Joe
 
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Human Warrior
 
Kilrogg
Thanks, Gruntle. Very helpul.

I think I'll change my approach and prioritize BS/Slams after all. It seems like others have been and I'm hearing more in favor of versus complaints.
 
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Old 07/02/09, 1:25 PM   #5643
belalrone
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Gnome Mage
 
Stormrage
Sorry for my ignorance I have not been in the game for the past 4 months. I currently have decent stats for ulduar and plan on a comback soon. My question is with my spirit being so low at 280, should I forego the improved molten armor glyph for the improved scorch glyph until I can get it 400+? If I figured it right with improved molten armor I would be getting a total of 3.35% crit approx. With out it and using Molten armor it is 2.33 or so. Any thoughts?

I plan on switching to a FFB build and either FB or arcane for the 2nd build.
 
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Old 07/02/09, 1:29 PM   #5644
medloh
Glass Joe
 
Troll Mage
 
Whisperwind
We just got our second 25man XT hardmode kill. It was a lot easier than our first kill after we decided to stick FB mages on XT the whole time and let other ranged with shorter nukes and no ttw buff take care of the life sparks. If memory serves, my dps went from 4.5k when on spark duty to 5.9k when sticking on XT.

It was doable when mages were on life spark duty with a /tar macro, but I definately ended up losing some cast time on dead sparks, and having no debuffs as other mentioned.
 
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Old 07/02/09, 1:32 PM   #5645
robbymo
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Human Mage
 
Eitrigg
Rawr will answer all your glyphing, specing and gearing needs.

Edit for spelling.
 
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Old 07/02/09, 3:15 PM   #5646
krauz
Glass Joe
 
Undead Rogue
 
Aegwynn
thank you for making this spreadsheet aldriana , it is very useful for all rogues in my guild, and we would like it to be updated

we all like to min max and we spread loot using ur spreadsheet to find out who gets a better upgrade
 
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Old 07/02/09, 3:38 PM   #5647
Grektar
Glass Joe
 
Orc Hunter
 
Altar of Storms
I didn't know where else to post this question because the elemental rotation thread is locked. So, I just wanted to know what the general rotation is for elemental now. Before, I was using CL in my rotation until an ele shaman in my guild told me that no shaman uses it in their rotation anymore. Apparently, the top DPS rotation is FS > LvB > LB spam until LvB comes up again. Is this true or should i still be weaving CL into my rotation?
 
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Old 07/02/09, 3:49 PM   #5648
Agash
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Khadgar (EU)
Use of CL is entirely dependant upon gear level (haste, SP, set bonuses etc). As your profile links to a level 72 hunter we don't have the information to help you.
 
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Old 07/02/09, 4:01 PM   #5649
Randrimm
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Icecrown
Originally Posted by Akuar View Post
If they proc at the same time it's a waste, because of the cap. All of your arp on your gear means nothing at that point. I highly doubt mjolnir/gt is better than greatness/mjolnir gemming for arp.
I play a warrior, and im trying to tweak my dps, attemting to decide what is more beneficial as arms. I've heard mixed things about stacking armor pen vs. Str, as Str is buffed by kings etc. With the newest buff armor pen some people are saying it is better to stack than Str even with kings buff. I guess the question is, what is the armor pen cap. My theory is that i have too much armor pen and need to be replacing that with Str to increase my dps. Im currently mace spec, with roughly 28% armor pen on the tooltip and in battle stance, with the target all sundered up that puts me at rougly 73% armor pen without Grim Toll proc. When GT procs it gives me about 50% armor pen thus wasting armor pen, since i assume you can not reduce enemy armor past 100%, (No negative armor pen.) This is where iam having trouble, when GT procs it puts me well over the cap. Some people have told me to not count on a trinket proc but when it procs im wasting mass amounts of armor pen where i could have strength. I guess i just need someone to enlighten me on the way armor pen really works and what the caps are and such.
The World of Warcraft Armory
Here is my armory if you want to brows it, some feedback would be great thanks!
 
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Old 07/02/09, 4:50 PM   #5650
Reluctant
Glass Joe
 
Human Mage
 
Borean Tundra
Fire FFB Glyph Question

Does anyone know if the fireball glyph works with FFB spell? I wasnt sure about glyphs.
 
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