Thread of Ultimate Suck - Page 228

pfooti · 07/03/09, 3:40 PM

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Nolyn · 07/03/09, 4:14 PM

Hello everyone,

So far i have enjoyed reading this thread very much and love that there is one place where 'Solo-Hunters' can share experience and ideas.

I am slowly getting bored with raiding and so i have taken up soloing. After watching some youtube video's i've noticed that there is a big lack of good quality hunter solo video's. The only person that has good quality videos on youtube is SKHope (who has posted on this thread a few times).

So i have taken it upon myself to start frapsing my solo adventures and so far i have only been focusing on MC. The only boss right now that is stopping me is Golemagg, so since my turtle is only 77 still i will be leveing him up to 80 before going back.

When i make my video's i try my best to explain what to do in the video's, so hopefully if anyone is having trouble on an encounter they can check my videos out for help =)

Here is my YouTube page - I only have Sulfuron and Garr for MC so far, I have more i just havn't had time to render them yet. I also did Attumen since i was bored one day...as usual lol. Eventually I will be doing AQ20 and ZG once MC is done.

YouTube - NolanHunter18's Channel

Please feel free to comment or write back here for suggestions / advice etc.

debeucci · 07/03/09, 4:29 PM

Has anyone done the math on moving 2 points from morbidity into runic power mastery? I'm the standard 51/0/20 atm.

As I get more arp gear, I find that my dc hits for less and less of my total damage. Also, i'm wasting a lot of rp sometimes capped at 100 simply without a cd to use on a dc at opportune times.

If rp was at 130, it would provide 3 seconds of drw, as well as giving me more room to keep above 25 rp for deathstrike, as well as giving me 3 dcs if everything else is on cd.

Is that worth a 10% decrease in deathcoil cd?

pfooti · 07/03/09, 5:38 PM

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Nissin · 07/03/09, 8:13 PM

Apologies for guild chat but I don't feel like taking another pic haha. If you want to know my addons PM me and I'll send you the package.

TurnerRosser · 07/04/09, 12:18 AM

hey im new to the forums but i play a blood dk named Marotolk his armoury page is attached to this reply plz tell me what u think. my rotation is obliterate twice then heart strike 6 times main cds r hysteria and dancin rune wep. not Über geared but ive pushed 4k in ulduar 10 b4

JohnnyBloodhoof · 07/04/09, 12:53 AM

is there a clear cut best spec for pvp (burst dps)?
i looked thru as many pages as my add brain would allow, sorry if i missed it

Hexify · 07/04/09, 1:58 AM

With the t8 2pc bonus would 0/10/61 spec be better then 7/10/59 or the normal unholy/blood spec?

Hexify · 07/04/09, 2:04 AM

Why is Str to gloves favored over the Crusher enchant?

Ghraabthar · 07/04/09, 2:09 AM

With the new DRW change RPM becomes a useless talent IMO. The duration of DRW is fixed and only affected by the glyph, not the old formula where you could get an extra 3 seconds from 130 RP compared to 100.

• Asphyxialol · 07/04/09, 5:23 AM

Originally Posted by JohnnyBloodhoof

is there a clear cut best spec for pvp (burst dps)?
i looked thru as many pages as my add brain would allow, sorry if i missed it

The best sources for DK PvP information is either going to be here (the EJ PvP Forums): http://elitistjerks.com/f38/
or on Arena Junkies - World of Warcraft PvP Strategy and Discussion.

Here is a standard place to look for a quick glance at the most popular and competitive specs in the US:
World of Warcraft Arena Ranking | SK Gaming

If you are going for straight up burst, a frost spec would be best, an in depth discussion about playing frost in PvP can be find in the EJ PvP forums or amongst many threads on the Arenajunkies website.

Cowhow · 07/04/09, 5:29 AM

hey there, Im new to this forum (as member) but were reading before...
Well stll some weeks ago I was tank in my guild because of this summer thing we merage with another guild and I decided to go dps (to dont have 5+ tanks in raid...) first thing I done was regeming everything to arm.pen. so now i have 448 armor penetration (still dont have grim toll or mjolnir runestone) the problem is that rawr is still suguesting me agi over armor penetration, so Im not sure or rawr dont have this kind of theory, or will start to suguest armor pen gems at 500-600 armor penetration. Here you writed that at 200-300 armor penetration, armor penetration become best gem. So question is, does rawr use that theory about ar.pen. ?

Nolyn · 07/04/09, 7:10 AM

thanks for the response.

ya i tried it one more time and realized that i would have to do some in and out movements but i got tired of attempting him and had a buddie come help me kill him so that i could solo domo and rag since i never attempted them yet

and they are easy lol. be putting them up on my youtube soon as i get some time =)

Miki · 07/04/09, 7:15 AM

hey guys!

I have some trouble to choose the right equipment for max dps.
I started playing 2 months ago after 1 year of pause. First with two-hand (for pvp and pve); but since the patch of fury i tried doing some fury dps.

I think my equipment is quite good, but not BiS. As i played Arms, gemming ArP was the priority and as much ArP as possible. Then i got Grim toll and now i am not sure how to gem.

But first my equipment (will try to log out in fury specc): The World of Warcraft Armory

Here are the stats:
mainhand: worldcarver 232.5 dps (berserking)
offhand: rune edge 232.5 dps (berserking)
AP: 4360 (besri stance, without shout)
Crit: 32.90% (bersi)
Hit: 225
Arp: 666 (54.97%)
Expertise: 22 (manihand) / 25 (offhand)
Haste: 70

Now my questions:

1) Should i just gem all slots to strengh, cause of Grim toll?
2) Is the weapon combo of worldcarver+rune edge better than runde edge + ironsoul (offhand)
3) Would it be better to take "mirror of truth" and kick grim toll, and stay at about 55-60% arp (passice)
4) I also have gloves and legs T8 and could swap, so i could get the 4piece set bonus, but i think the loss of some important stats is too much? opinions?

5) should i change the legs with clockwerk legplates and so loose the 2piece set bonus of t7,5?

My Prob is atm, i am not quite sure how to change some pieces, so i stay at max dps possible. i am quit happy with my dps now, most fights 5k+, sometimes 6k+... but i always try to do my best with the gear i have or is available for me.
(My raid is doing 25 uldu and start hm's, we will do hodir hm next)... and in Uldu 10 we have most of the hm's down, council, general and yogg not *g*)

thx 4 help

Charmath · 07/04/09, 9:39 AM

Originally Posted by Miki

1) Should i just gem all slots to strengh, cause of Grim toll?
2) Is the weapon combo of worldcarver+rune edge better than runde edge + ironsoul (offhand)
3) Would it be better to take "mirror of truth" and kick grim toll, and stay at about 55-60% arp (passice)
4) I also have gloves and legs T8 and could swap, so i could get the 4piece set bonus, but i think the loss of some important stats is too much? opinions?
5) should i change the legs with clockwerk legplates and so loose the 2piece set bonus of t7,5?

Did you read the announcement on the front page? http://elitistjerks.com/f81/a45-here...p_me_not_suck/

There is no reason to not use Rune Edge in your main hand. It shares the same speed and dps as with Worldcarver, only you'll see less dodges on your MH attacks.

1. Pro tip: Use the spreadsheet to see what's optimal for you with the current gear you have available.
2. See Pro tip
3. Answer above
4. See prevoius answer
5. Guess what

Miraculum · 07/04/09, 10:20 AM

Hi guys, I've been trying to workshop my dps as an enhancement shaman for the last 2 months, and I've been using this thread a lot. There are, however, a few things I've discovered on my own, that I don't see explained here (at least not clearly) that I wanted to share. That said, I feel I must disclaim myself by saying that if anyone finds flaw in what follows, by all means, correct me, the last thing I want to do is mislead people.

1st of all, my rotation:
at 5 stacks of MW - Chain Lightning. Yes, Lightning bolt scales better with spell damage, and I don't have the Exact number here, but my observations have been that prior to about 2300 spell damage, chain lightning still does more damage. Another note on this subject; For those of you looking for a macro that will cast both chain lightning, and then lightning bolt when CL is on cooldown - it doesn't exist. You can't make a macro that is contingent upon a spell being cooled down. The mechanics for it do not exist.
Next Stormstrike...
Next Earth Shock...
Next Lava Lash...

And finally, when those things are on cooldown, I'm either refreshing magma totem, or lightning shield.

Other data:

On the topic of spirit wolves and attack power:
buffs, and burning trinkets WILL effect your wolves damage, but it IS realtime. In other words, burning a 15 second trinket before summoning your wolves offers no real advantage, because as soon as the buff wears off, they will lose it too.

Well, that's all I have for now. Working on a few other things, but I won't post anything inconclusive. Hope this helps

GTO89 · 07/04/09, 10:31 AM

I love this spreadsheet! When i use it I take off all the raid buffs, my thoughts were I would see my pure dps. I was wondering if this was a bad idea. Thanks for ne help.

Rhadamanthis · 07/04/09, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Psychosomatic

You're probably thinking of WoW Equip.

That is it, I guess I had too many drinks yesterday night!
Thanks for the help Psycho.

Omidin · 07/04/09, 10:51 AM

Hey night, could you take a look at my post in the previous page? I've had some nasty compiling issue that I just cant seem to work out.

pHishr · 07/04/09, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Tebla

Like I said, I took the Grid settings from Supplicum's UI and I really like the look of them. I haven't decided if I am going to keep them or start from scratch. Horizontally depleting health probably would fit better with the overall design. I wanted it to get to the neat stage and then work on pretty.

One of the things I am looking to do now is bring the whole UI together with better continuity. I have made the two panels on the bottom corners equal now and brought omen next to recount. I am looking up how to make the panel on the right only appear when I am in a party or raid and use the space for a tracker panel when solo. Here is today's change. I am still not happy with it, especially since I still have Omen disappearing out of combat and there is a blank area there.

It's getting there, though.

Come on, use direct links!

homie2582 · 07/04/09, 1:03 PM

I have a question: what is the best talent tree for hunters who want to do the best dps ? can someone send me a link to that talent tree ? and also the best talent tree for a wolf ?

thx

Waddy · 07/04/09, 2:17 PM

Originally Posted by Astalion

A spec I haven't seen posted that seems to be competitive is this: 10/54/7.
Best options seem to be using BP, FC/RI (RI seems to be far superior to FC, especially with the increase to 10%), and SoA (quick simulation showed a large (~175 dps) difference in favor of SoA, no comparison made with the new Sigil yet)

I've been running my simulations on a modified version of Kahorie's simulator (added information I could find in this thread such as sigils not being affected by the offhand penalty, runes only being consumed on main hand hits, razorice stacking up to 10%, and just now (aka after most of my testing) the 15% increase to disease damage and SotVH nerf). I also added the hit from Heroic Presence, which might affect gear choices but hopefully (likely) not much else. (Simulations with the BiS gear below ended up at around 6.9k dps, but keep in mind that most of the changes I made to the simulator lead to increased DPS (but more accurate) values compared to others' simulations, and as such you probably should run your own simulations on this if you want some numbers for comparison)

Original tests were done using my own DKs T7/T7.5 gear, but from further testing it seems to scale properly with T8 BiS gear as well.
BiS Gear stats used for those interested: Str: 1426, Agi: 245, Int: 46, Arm: 14291, Hit: 177, Crit: 752, Haste: 255, Arp: 160, Exp: 179, OH/MH: 178.9dps/2.7s, 4p T8
Yes, the hit is kinda low, but from EP calcs it actually doesn't seem to be that important (melee hit cap being a lot lower due to NoCS, and relatively few spells used)
LootRank listing (EP values derived from the T7 gear, being below spellhit cap. Above the spellhit cap the value of Hit falls to roughly 0.77 (or 77 with AP set as 100, but lootrank isn't a fan of big numbers :P). Note: Kahorie's calculations seemed a bit dodgy regarding weapon dps and weapon speed EPs, so I made some calculations of my own which halved the listed value of MH weapon dps, but makes more sense matematically, unless I missed something :P)

Priority used was: FF > BP > OB > BS > FS > Rime
With the T8 4P bonus moving BS above OB seemed to give a few (<10) DPS increase from a few short tests (2*24h simulations on each), and with proper estimation of free GCDs (taking into account Rime procs and such) it might be a worthwhile tactic for maximising DPS, but doesn't really seem worth the hassle in my opinion.

I also did some tests using Glyph of Disease instead of Glyph of Blood Strike, and it seems to be a DPS loss of about ~40, but still being better than using any other Glyph. (Note: The simulator's priority system doesn't take full advantage of this Glyph, and has to reapply disease with PS/IT fairly often even with it. In practice Glyph of Disease might actually be superior)

As for the Blood Strike Glyph, if you need to get Chillblains (did we get confirmation on whether this actually worked on bosses?) the best point to move seems to be UA (Though I once again wonder if this is something the simulator uses properly, and you might want to have both a dps and a survival cooldown for various bosses, in which case you probably want to move a point from Black Ice instead (didn't test that extensively though))

Hopefully this will help narrow down some of the questions in the OP and possibly help decide the spec to use in 3.2.

Actually I came up with the spec about a week ago or so but my post was deleted because I didn't follow it with simulator data.

bobxii · 07/04/09, 5:18 PM

Well, nothing they can do to boost PvE survivability is going to affect shaman representation in arenas; the class in general is broken to begin with, the problem being that the effectiveness of the character is too easily shut down - something a PvE fix is not going to affect. Another discussion, perhaps.

However, it isn't terribly difficult to revamp enhancement's upper-tier talents to WotLK-level effectiveness (as many other classes got) - which hasn't happened because likely the developers responsible for it have a different mindset into how talents should work for shaman (just speculation, but isn't it odd how all but the very latest-changed enhancement talents are single-function, whereas the elemental / resto talents are nearly all multi-functional?). The simplest fix with zero effect outside of enhancement would be to add 20% extra HP to the Weapon Mastery talent. Tada, fixed.

Cattlecltsms · 07/04/09, 5:30 PM

Heya-- i have an arms warrior with great pre uld gea rhttp://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Tichondrius&n=Cattleclysm. But for months now, i have had such terrible DPS, i recently found a new rotation which is rend>OP>MS>execute>slam, provided by uglygreens post a while back. This has helped significantly with my DPS, but with the gear i have equipped, i should be doing close to 5k on boss fights, but instead doing 3400-4100 DPS. Maybe its in the rotation, gear/stats/gems?

Cattlecltsms · 07/04/09, 6:58 PM

Heya-- i have an arms warrior with great pre uld gear The World of Warcraft Armory. But for months now, i have had such terrible DPS, i recently found a new rotation which is rend>OP>MS>execute>slam, provided by uglygreens post a while back. This has helped significantly with my DPS, but with the gear i have equipped, i should be doing close to 5k on boss fights, but instead doing 3400-4100 DPS. Maybe its in the rotation, gear/stats/gems?

Stats--
Damage:1507-1830
AP: 3359
Hit: 290
Crit: 37.67%
Expertise: 23
Str: 824