Thread of Ultimate Suck - Page 366

vaevictus · 11/02/09, 3:47 PM

LOL ^ So much awesome in this!!

Sorry for the wasted post couldn't help it.

WimpySmurf · 11/02/09, 6:26 PM

Remove.

Firtahla · 11/02/09, 7:52 PM

Small question: What haste rating is best for Unholy using the 16/0/55 spec in Blood presence and a 2H weapon.

xaragon · 11/02/09, 8:07 PM

Hi i have read pretty much all through this entire thread and of course certain things have been changed by blizz during this time, but i am unclear on a few points

with the opening rotoation i am using as follows from what i have read from here

ds, hs, hs, horn, ghoul, it, ps, hysteria, drw, hs, hs, hs, hs, ds, erw, hs, hs, hs, pest

is the above considered the norm? i am using glyph of disease.

it seems alot of people have different views on this. also with on use trinkets(20 sec duration) should i pop that just before i put the diseases down?

also i make sure as soon as a frost or unoly rune is availiable i use ds to get the death runes, otherwise i am always using hs, and when runes are on cooldown i use dc.

with diseases should i always be refreshing when i have the higest ap? for example there is still 10 secs left on the 2 diseases but im about to lose all my str buffs should i be refreshing it before i lose the buffs or just refresh it when its about to run out?

Deathknoob · 11/02/09, 9:02 PM

Originally Posted by Firtahla

Small question: What haste rating is best for Unholy using the 16/0/55 spec in Blood presence and a 2H weapon.

The soft cap is the most important and it is 4.5% (147.56 haste rating) from gear. As long as you don't drop under 4.5% everything should be fine.

Toeguard · 11/03/09, 3:56 AM

i recently switched from arms to fury and was wondering a couple of things.
what is the arm pen cap??
should i gem strickly for strength, or throw some crit gems in too?
does haste have anything to do with my dps?
thanks

Varies · 11/03/09, 11:09 AM

Hey first time poster wondering if i could get some comments on my gear, spec, or anything that can help me improve.

Profiler - Wowhead

sorry if i posted in the wrong thread, not sure where to really post at here.

klüger · 11/03/09, 11:33 AM

Looks good. I'd drop your bracers and get the Bejeweled Wizard ones. I'd also go with the belt from 25 faction champs (hard), drop the t9 gloves (get the anub 25 hard gloves) and get t9 shoulders instead (if you can). That said, this is a _very_ cursory glance and I naturally recommend you to try those items in a builder to see how your stats are before you commit to items. Its just in general I'd go for less spirit. Also, its a minor thing but stop gemming purifieds after you've done the two you need. You lose sp either way.
Otherwise you look good with regards to haste, crit&sp.

Its also an accepted truth that runspeed is the best enchant for boots.

Oh and since you are doing anub hard. Get the damn trinket ASAP! Nothing else matters, the normal one is a steady 3.3% dps inrease for me from just the proc. I'd invest all I had in getting both if I were you. Everything else is just details.

mortar · 11/03/09, 12:56 PM

Well i just started to play my rog again after a month..
with the new cap versus the previous one..is it worth to go 735 with runestone? because I got a friend with identical gear and the number shown in recount is pretty weak.. and when he told me his attack power is just around 4000 unbuff..

Fahar · 11/03/09, 1:25 PM

Hi there,

I've been following this thread for a while now.

Why did the title just changed from "SS All I ever wanted" to "Where the story ends".

Was there any major changes involving UH spec or DKs in general? I could not find anything.

Another question I have is: How is UH's DPS conpared to the other specs? Have any1 compared it yet?

Thank you

wingwraith · 11/03/09, 1:35 PM

The title of this thread changes often and is only a quick view into the OP's mood and opinion on the current evolution of the Unholy spec. It's nothing to be taken too seriously.
My favorite title was something to the effect of: "Scourge Strike; It's a Love Story".

Jezbelle · 11/03/09, 2:08 PM

Originally Posted by Lesrek

All this coming from a paladin who hasn't downed a boss in ToGC in either 10 or 25. One of the paladins you quoted has completed all of ToGC 25 and is pulling 8k+ dps. How much dps are you doing that you are only finishing 5th in a guild that doesn't do heroics?

My guild is more "casual" though all dps are 5000+ dps in all fights with top 10 being above or near my dps.

In my current gear I pull:

6k+ on Beasts

7.5k+ on Jaraxxus [I cleanse Fel Fireball interrupt fails]

6k+ on Faction Champs

10.5k+ on Twins

6k+ on Anub [Melee is NOT allowed to touch white scarabs in our guild helps keep down spawns

]

I obviously don't know how to play don't listen to me LOL.

Edit: The casualness of my guild = 1 - 1.5 hours each week to do Toc 25 and Ony 25. That is all we do as a guild and the rest of the week is yours to do whatever you want to. We are basically made up of Alts/Altaholics so it works well for us.

Like i said though, don't listen to me I don't know what im doing

Jezbelle · 11/03/09, 2:21 PM

Originally Posted by Zurm

Oh dear. Allow me to inform you sir, because this unfortunately is something the truly uninformed continuously bring up.

If we had unlimited GCDs available, you would be correct; the highest damage buttons would be the best to push first. However, we do not live in that system. We do have a finite number of GCDs, and even after the 4s CS change we still have quite some downtime. As such, we have to look at each ability's potential DPS to maximize our overall DPS. While I don't have the time to go into exact specifics, if you bothered to read the 3.2 thread you would have read the answer about 5 times as to why you are horribly wrong. Also, just because YOU sit at the top 5 DPS in your guild is not empirical evidence that you are correct; for all we know the rest of your guild-mates could be just as ill-informed as you are and making the same types of mistakes.

Furthermore, exorcism won't be doing such good damage once you drop the glyph. Obviously SoV Glyph isn't ideal for you, but you've already proven your incredible prowess at ret with the fact that you wear 38 expertise instead of 26, a full 3% above the cap.

I look forward to seeing the post in The Banhammer after the mods have their way with you.

EDIT: Your math above proves nothing and is horribly wrong. While for your short window you may have higher damage, in the long run your system proves nothing. After you open with your awful exo-first system, you will have many more GCD's you're just WAITING on...that's lots of lost DPS because you move each ability's effective cooldown up.

I disagree with your view of how you are using "effective dps" as the basis of your priority decisions.You have your opinion I have mine.

Being petty and calling for a Banhammer? Really now.

BTW I am well aware of my current expertise of 38 and NOT AT ALL happy with it, but that is how the drops panned out for me. For one, I unfortunately am still running around with Worldcarver for a weapon. I don't enjoy PvP in WoW so that's what I got for now.

Milou · 11/03/09, 4:09 PM

Originally Posted by mortar

Well i just started to play my rog again after a month..
with the new cap versus the previous one..is it worth to go 735 with runestone? because I got a friend with identical gear and the number shown in recount is pretty weak.. and when he told me his attack power is just around 4000 unbuff..

The answer is 42.

superbike2001 · 11/03/09, 5:26 PM

First post!

I have been searching for a good discription about "Ranged Crit" but I cannot seem to find one. Im sure I have over looked it.

My Ranged Crit seems very low (11.39%) But my Melee seems a little to high. Beining a caster I would think my ranged Crit would need to be higher? I think somehting is a little backwards. Im not sure if it is a gear thing or what?

Can someone point me in the right direction or help me get a better understanding of why mine is so low?

Thanks!

Bubz · 11/03/09, 5:29 PM

My first post here. Quick question regarding best trinkets that are obtainable. Currently I am using the [Reign of the Unliving] (non-heroic version, sorry could not fix this) and [Embrace of the Spider]. Ignoring hard mode H TOC and H Algalon and H Yogg, what is the best trinket in game to replace [Embrace of the Spider]?

Shkarn · 11/03/09, 5:50 PM

Originally Posted by superbike2001

First post!

I have been searching for a good discription about "Ranged Crit" but I cannot seem to find one. Im sure I have over looked it.

My Ranged Crit seems very low (11.39%) But my Melee seems a little to high. Beining a caster I would think my ranged Crit would need to be higher? I think somehting is a little backwards. Im not sure if it is a gear thing or what?

Can someone point me in the right direction or help me get a better understanding of why mine is so low?

Thanks!

You should be looking at Spell crit, not ranged crit.

shoei · 11/03/09, 6:20 PM

i've tried to look around the forum for my answer but i couldn't find it and was wondering if you guys would help me out.

i was told that the t9.245 item was no good and that it was better to buy the non set tier pieces is this true for a roguge?

hkkilian · 11/03/09, 6:27 PM

Ah, that explains it. Thanks for clearing that up - and for your swift reply.

Zedicuss · 11/03/09, 7:45 PM

Originally Posted by Gasillio

The top arena frost mages currently are Pookz in 3v3/5v5 and Flýn in 2v2.

You can see their armories by clicking on the links. Basically the same build with a few shuffled points.

Thank you so much. I'll check them out.

Corbs · 11/03/09, 11:28 PM

So is the basic rotation for arcane AB until missile barrage proc then arcane missiles?

moobear · 11/03/09, 11:51 PM

Thanks all

really appreciate the help, i'll probably follow pinkshirtbadman's advice on weapon combo.

Once again thanks to all!

greendestiny · 11/04/09, 1:07 AM

Here is my armory:
The World of Warcraft Armory

I have been told that my dps is really low for my GS level. I have tried to fix it many times by tweaking my rotation a little bit but my dps has only gone up slightly. I do anywhere from 4.5 to 5.2 dps..What is hindering my dps?

My rotation is:
FF, Moonfire, IS, wrath til lunar eclipse then starfire til that eclipse ends...

now here is where I have changed. I used to stop my starfire if I didn't have enough time to finish the cast before the eclipsed ended. I was told to stop doing that and let my cast go fully. I also keep my dots up and never let them drop. Where am I going wrong?

Videl · 11/04/09, 2:19 AM

There's pretty much no situation in which stopping a cast that would finish successfully is going to gain you dps.

nesf · 11/04/09, 2:28 AM

Originally Posted by greendestiny

Here is my armory:
The World of Warcraft Armory

I have been told that my dps is really low for my GS level. I have tried to fix it many times by tweaking my rotation a little bit but my dps has only gone up slightly. I do anywhere from 4.5 to 5.2 dps..What is hindering my dps?

My rotation is:
FF, Moonfire, IS, wrath til lunar eclipse then starfire til that eclipse ends...

now here is where I have changed. I used to stop my starfire if I didn't have enough time to finish the cast before the eclipsed ended. I was told to stop doing that and let my cast go fully. I also keep my dots up and never let them drop. Where am I going wrong?

You've two terrible trinkets for a moonkin. Haste procs only benefit you when you're casting Starfire when you're over the haste cap* meaning that when that trinket pops and you're casting anything else you're not getting a dps boost. You want trinkets that proc Spellpower. Abyssal Rune and Sundial of the Exalted are easy to get.

Read this very carefully: Moonkin PvE DPS

*Not strictly true but true enough for this context.