Thread of Ultimate Suck - Page 388

Konata · 11/22/09, 12:58 AM

If you had scent of blood or chill of the grave and FS that would help threat alot. If you have AoE troubles use the HB glyph. You don't really need lichborne or Icy talons talent.

I would just suggest using the build on the first page. It is a good cookie cutter build. But I would replace IT glyph with the HB.

Pandapwns · 11/22/09, 1:02 AM

Originally Posted by Darament

I have a question about hit rating. Normally I would just go to the Elemental Shaman think tank but that seems to be unavailable to me.
I had a Draenei Shaman that I had faction changed into a Orc, now that I don't have Heroic Presence I am missing on some of my spell casts in 10 mans. Before I did the faction change I stayed around 280 hit rating and now I have 350 hit rating after the faction change but i'm still missing with a couple of spell casts every fight. I thought it was 13% but I must have been mistaken. I'm wondering what the hit cap is for Shamans horde side? I know there was 2 different numbers, they were buffed and unbuffed, but I don't remember what they were.
If anyone knows a link to something I can use for reference to the numbers then that would be great.

17% Shadowpriest is 3%

Monny · 11/22/09, 5:39 AM

I apologize in advance in case the question might be a clone.

I'm now raiding with 2 items from T8.5 and 2 items from T9.5, this being my MM spec.

I'm benefiting from the two tier bonuses: +10% SSting damage and SSting critting capability, and this is keeping me from spending my badges on other T9 / 9.5 items.

I'm not good enough on spreadsheet to work out a comparison i can be confident in. As a bonus factor, enhancing my dots is improving damage during movement, and i can hardly take this into account in spreadsheets.

I'd love to have some advice.

Dtekkar · 11/22/09, 6:20 AM

3 questions:
1. What is the top rogue DPS spec as of 11/23/09 with mixed epics from reg TOC heroics and 10/25 naxx and uld?

2. What is the top rogue DPS spec as of 11/23/09 with all ilvl 245 gear?
and..
3. What is the top rogue DPS spec as of 11/23/09 with all BiS items?

Very roughly. An "average" amount of burn phases, a "typical" amount of raid buffs, boss armor, etc, etc.
I will delete this post if I find the answer in these monster threads before responded to, of course. I don't have access to Excel on this computer, so spreadsheets are presently impossible.

myno · 11/22/09, 6:21 AM

Spam Heroic Strike.

dragtar · 11/22/09, 6:23 AM

with the latency factor and loosing 1k dps , he is not so wrong. I have the same problem: latency ca. 270.

I have a pala in my raidsystem almost same equipped, near same ap, same weapon etc than I have and he has almost 500 - 1 k dps more than I have, he has a latency of 50. So now I'm asking myself: how could I reduce the losses of dps done by latency ??

One idea could be higher crits I think or what is your opinion ?

sp00n · 11/22/09, 8:31 AM

You can go with OpenOffice if you don't have Excel available to at least use Aldriana's spreadsheets.
That being said, with 4T8 the specs all still contain Rupture, and when your gear gets good enough you switch to Eviscerate/Envenom only.
The exact point to switch can only be determined with a spreadsheet I fear.

@[Raging Deathbringer]
I quickly entered its stats into the spreadsheet, and with my gear it scores 124 DPS lower than the [The Lion's Maw]. So if the proc doesn't make up for those 124 DPS, which from all I've heard so far it doesn't, it really belongs in the bank.

Trakor · 11/22/09, 9:20 AM

Originally Posted by dragtar

So now I'm asking myself: how could I reduce the losses of dps done by latency ??

Assuming same gear, skill and rng, the only way to get closer is by reducing your latency. The only way I know you can do that (if you already have the best internet connection available for your area) is via tunnels.

• Ceasar330241 · 11/22/09, 1:08 PM

Originally Posted by Velthore

My guild is as open minded or more than most. Hell I tanked one set off adds for our first heroic Anub kill which is by far one of the 2 worst options, props to my guilds healers for keeping me up through that nightmare. I still believe DK's are one of the worst choices for the majority of progression content. The fact that you can say that you go back to farm content, heroic or not, and say that all 4 tanks are on the same page does not necessarily make me feel any better.

Then why are you trying to tank a DK if you feel they are so inferior. I'm going to guess you either have bad timing on your healer cast time vs incoming damage or you are not chaining CDs properly during the kill zones of incoming boss damage. With no tank tree, but only tanking talents and unique utility from DPS talents you have to approach damage reduction much differently.

DK tanking is basically bear tanking from plate. Avoid as much damage as you can. Warriors and Paladins want some damage since they need to take damage to regenerate resources.

Fallen Angel · 11/22/09, 2:07 PM

Ok..So yes I am still somewhat Noob when it comes to WoW. However I do have an 80 mage that I am working on. I lvled as frost; once I obtained lvl 80 I respecd duel w/ Fire/Arcane...spec at 20/52/0 and 50/3/11. The World of Warcraft Armory

I am having problems w/ the Dps output. From what Ive read and heard arcane is spose to be the top spec yet FB may take over in 3.3 if Im correct. I have a higher dps in fb than arcane even when doing correct rotations. I think it could be gemming. Are there any hints I could recieve or pointers that any could offer. My guild is dropping me from the 10/25 raid spots because of this. I have correct add-ons and what-nots. If this isnt the correct forum for these questions let me know. Im kinda rushing out the door but anywho. I am keeping FB spec for the mana use and dps output versus Arcanes mana hog. Arcane hits high dps fast but cant sustain it while fire takes a tad longer yet once at peak it is easy to sustain. What am I doing wrong if anything at all?

• Ceasar330241 · 11/22/09, 2:35 PM

Originally Posted by Waine

I'm not suure where this post belongs so I placed it here in the demonology thread. I have recently been asked by my guild to be a part of a 5 man rotation to apply the 5% critt debuff on the bosses in our ToTC 25 man runs. I could really use some help here as I have been informed my turn in the barrel will be on Sunday....yikes!

As a utility for the raid, they would like my secondary spec to be in Demonology. Since I hav played the Demo Lock before, I agreed to start my research.

Besides taking 5 points in improved Shadow Bolt I am told I will need the Glyph of Shadow Bolt so I can cast it once for the effect and won't have to spam 5 SB's to stack the effect.

My questions are:

Is there a desent talent tree that I can try without sacrificing a ton of dps?

What is the best choice for re-glyphing?

Anyone find a decent rotation for this?

I sure would appreciate any help I can get with this. I stopped playing the demon spec because it just didn't compete well with the other specs in raid and I'm worried this will take the enjoyment out of the game for me.

If you guild runs an elemental shaman or a moonkin I believe you are wasting your time. I seriously doubt ISB 5% stacks on moonkin aura or elemental oath and besides, that really ruins your personnel dps.

Kaveli · 11/22/09, 3:26 PM

here is a link to our Anub kill

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

you might notice a pattern at the top of the meter.

This is probably a good log to look at as far as UH dk performance. good side by side comparision.

Mitra · 11/22/09, 5:01 PM

I will have about 920 arp after i gem all my gear without an arp trinket. Im wondering if that is enough to finally replace all my tier 8.5 and do an eviscerate only cycle. All my gear has arp on it except chest, belt and cloak. If it isnt enough what is the minimum amount i want without GT/runestone?

Pressure · 11/22/09, 6:51 PM

The hit rating needed not to miss specials is 164 (5% with 3/3 precision).
However the hit rating needed not to miss white swings is much higher.
I was missing 12% of my normal melee attacks at 174 hit on a heroic target dummy ...this reduced to 5% miss when I had about 300 hit.
Anyone know the hit rating not to miss normal swings?
The reason for asking this: at 300 hit rating I had about 100 dps increase than over 174 hit rating.

ethannzz · 11/22/09, 7:01 PM

So far the best guide yet.
It's not too specific but gets the job done.

I, personally, am tired of all these guide pertaining to jewelcrafting, mining, etc.
They should not be about the profession itself, but the way you use it.

GJ.

ethannzz · 11/22/09, 7:07 PM

lol just quest
>_<

ethannzz · 11/22/09, 7:10 PM

Originally Posted by Peaseblossom

My guild finally scored our Val'anyr last night; thanks to everyone in this thread for help with the process of getting it.

We went with leaving Mimiron out, since it seemed to be the prevailing wisdom, even though phase 2 was the only phase that gave us any difficulty when we were learning Yogg in the first place. And it was nothing. Our kill was actually a much cleaner attempt than any of our Yogg+4 kills -- maybe it was just a matter of people being extra-focused. At any rate, certainly for anyone approaching this with ToC gear, one Keeper doesn't make much of a difference at all.

Gtz.
My guild's on their way to scoop one also
;]

ethannzz · 11/22/09, 7:18 PM

Originally Posted by Scorpidlight

My 3's comp has changed again and due to my inexperience in arena I'm compelled to ask another question or two.

My comp is now Disc/Ele/Ret. We can put out some amazing burst, and recently we've decided to just bum-rush the healer. No idea if that's a good strategy or not, but it seems to have about a 75% success rate.
Our biggest problem comes when we fight (good) lock/disc/* or any melee heavy teams that train our shammy. I was wondering if speccing 2/2 Vindication would help as I think it reduces over 1k ap and would help slow their burst attempt, since we don't have a hamstring-esk move.
Against lock/disc/* teams (asterisk is for w/e) I've tried using SoJ on the warlock and we've tried to burn it down while I focus repentance on the priest/fearbomb/hex. So far no go. Is there anything worth specing for that would help against these comps, or can I just ask for general advice here? Would specing differently be too situational?
We seem to do fine if the other team focuses on me or my disc priest first, but if they hit our ele shaman - it's usually game over. HoP only does so much, and even with pain suppression it only takes the slightest bit of coordinated cc to down him.
Lastly, with my comp, could you recommend any changes to my spec? I was specced for imp HoJ and was informed last night by a full relentless pally buddy of mine that it wasn't worth the points, so I respecced 7/13/51.
Here's my armory profile Scorpidlight Armory
Due to some recent losses, I'm wondering if it's me messing things up for our team, or if it's just my gear (yeah I know ironsoul sucks, and honestly I feel it's one of the biggest problems with my gear). If possible, it'd be great if I could ask for some general advice on the whole of my character. (wrong libram is equipped atm, I normally swap to seal specific.) My main point for all this questioning is I want to make sure I'm doing all I can for my team.

Thank you very much for your time!
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Did some testing on the PTR with a premade character - it does seem to be that my weapon is the biggest drawback to my gear. Well, that and about 1k ap. However, through my testing, I also noted it wasn't really our strategy that was lacking, it seems to be more my gear level. I would still appreciate any advice that can be given on the subject, as I would like to learn all I can. Also, SoCor seems to be especially useful on healers (ones that don't cleanse themselves) combined with [Libram of Valiance]. After 5 stacks, I have manged to burst down a disc priest (with well timed HoJ of course).

Looks like I need to run 25m toc for the [Dual-blade Butcher].

i was about to ask about your weapon, but then i saw your edit.
Good luck getting your weapon, it was a pain for me.

ethannzz · 11/22/09, 7:36 PM

Originally Posted by Lactose

#showtooltip
/cast [target=player] Master's Call
/petdefensive
/stopmacro [modifier]
/petpassive

Haven't tested in-game, but syntax should work. Without a modifier (shift, ctrl or alt), it will run through the entire macro, with petpassive being set last.
With a modifier, it should stop running the macro after setting it to petdefensive.

This looks about right.
But what im not understanding is, why choose a hunter if you are looking for limited keybinds?

Sonho · 11/22/09, 7:53 PM

Extrem noob quest:
As a combat rogue Fist - dagger , no swapping. Wich is the basic cycle? Evis only cycle that is, and keep SnD up ?

sadkiller · 11/22/09, 8:03 PM

hey mates i read many articles and i see im kinda out on hit rate but isnt the hit rate 186 for arms ?
and about the gear here is my gear from armory

The World of Warcraft Armory

about the rotation i charge rend /ms / SD ,,OP " when they proc"/ when everything on CD i use slam or the bladestorm

sometimes i hit easly 4500 and others i stuck at 3250 i dont know wats wrong... about my sword enchant im getting a berserker for sure but i was out of gold recently and i got the new t9 chest from badges item lvl 232 and the ony 10 man helm i wanna put strength gems on them unless u advice me of cri and armor pent. and im thinkin to get the hit rate trinket from badges since its give 128 hit rate and mix it with ony quest item reward neckless

im lost i need an advices here :S plz assist me i wanna hit constant 5k ++

Deus_Phasmatis · 11/22/09, 8:27 PM

You need 8% hit, not 5% (5% if for PvP, not PvE). That's 263 Hit, so gear/gem for it (it really is that good). ArP should be better than Str for you, so gem for ArP over Str (though putting a 10Str/10Crit gem in to get a socket bonus isn't terrible). Other than that, work on getting better gear.

Orcus · 11/22/09, 8:37 PM

I have a question. Which Glyph is better, Glyph of Lava, or Glyph of Totem of Wraith. I was wondering which one is better and why?

silverinches · 11/22/09, 9:35 PM

hi guys, just a simple question to ask:

Is clearing 4 stacks of Arcane Blasts with unhasted AM (without MBarr) better dps and dbm than clearing with A.Barr?

Is it advisable to continue Arcane Blasting after your 4th one to fish for a lucky M.Barr procc, mana-wise?

I know this question has been raised and answered in one of past posts but i just cant find it! >.<

thanks!

Man of Glass · 11/22/09, 10:23 PM

So, this might have been asked already, but if there ARE Diminishing Returns on Deep Freeze in Arenas, would Deep Freeze do this damage to an enemy if they've become immune.