Thread of Ultimate Suck - Page 6

Mardraum · 07/18/08, 7:16 PM

Originally Posted by Aeverius
Okay, last time.

Somehow you managed to quote me without reading what I wrote, specifically: "If WotLK went live tomorrow, a 70 tank would output basically the same threat per ability that he does today."

WRONG

Originally Posted by Aeverius
1.1 coefficient on Shield Slam.
Sword and Board doesn't increase the damage of anything. It lets you use Shield Slam more often.
1.25 coefficient on Revenge. Unfortunately, with Shield Block changes, you won't always be able to use Revenge.
15% crit is not 15% damage. Personally, I'd rather have 15% damage any day of the week, but that's beside the point.

Learn to read
SHIELD SLAM DOES 10% MORE DAMAGE.
YOU DO MORE SHIELD SLAMS. SHIELD SLAMS ARE YOUR HIGHEST THREAT ABILITY.
YOU'LL HAVE REVENGE UP MOST OF THE TIME WITHOUT SHEILD BLOCKING ANYWAYS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A THING CALLED BLOCK RATE.
The heroic strike info was just a typo I meant to say 15% extra crit on heroic strikes really is 15% more damage for heroic strikes, but then again you have no common sense so you couldn't figure that out.

No need for that kind of attitude really.

Tekino · 07/18/08, 8:02 PM

nice, thanks alot

Ambika · 07/19/08, 9:18 AM

Originally Posted by Copernicus

The current achievements are listed on mmo-champion.

id.

Wrath of the Lich King Tuskarrmageddon Mindlessly slaughter 1,000,000 Tuskarr. Reward: Baby Seal Club

Quality achievements here...

Salamir · 07/19/08, 10:18 AM

I can see it now, tanks complaining that by dismantling we're causing rage starvation. And yeah, I doubt it'll work on most level 80+ bosses.

These changes are so completely lackluster. As a community, we've been asking for group/raid utility for a long, long time. And still nothing. I wouldn't expect huge changes at this point, but rather tweaks and balancing. As it stands, I don't see rogues garnering more than one raid spot, down from the 2 we currently hold.

This is sad.

anarkin · 07/19/08, 12:53 PM

ok i am just starting to realize the finer points of becoming a hunter not a huntard

first question how can i rewrite my 3:2 to auto trigger my trinket "Bladesfist's Breadth"

THIS IS WHAT IM USING NOW:
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast [target=pettarget] Kill Command
/cast [target=pettarget] Lightning Breath
/cast Steady Shot
/script UIErrorFrame: Clear ()

secondly haste how much is too much? i have64 now without the badge chest will i be screwed with it>?

COULD YOU MESSAGE ME WITH REPLYS TO ENSURE

<--- THIS NUB GETS A PROPER EDUCATION?

Souldeath · 07/19/08, 8:23 PM

Originally Posted by sanny

So this is what it looks like at the moment.
I wouldn't mind some comments and critisism, if you think something should be changed, added or whatever!

Addons:

wow any chance of you telling me what Uf texture bar that is? if its custom any chance of uploading just the bar texture

?

Hardbody · 07/19/08, 8:44 PM

Want to buy a turtle mount achievement.

Eph · 07/19/08, 8:49 PM

Originally Posted by Souldeath

wow any chance of you telling me what Uf texture bar that is? if its custom any chance of uploading just the bar texture

?

Kinda looks like Minimalist. (?)

mrboh · 07/20/08, 8:02 AM

Originally Posted by Lamaros

mrboh please don't post split. It's against the rules and will get you an infraction.

Do you mean split messages into multiple quotes? If so, sorry, I wasn't aware of that.

dwamid · 07/20/08, 8:59 AM

Originally Posted by Bungie

If your going to be executing you will want to have double mongoose on them considering that execute isn't affected by ArP or AP or any other stat other than Crit. Also try and get two one handed swords, the ones off mother ideally since sword specc procs will help towards your rage generation and from that your dps out put. (I am assuming you are sword specced considering your armory link is dead)

The sword from Mother is awesome but we still have a rogue who needs it and i didn't get to win it. Also i am a fury warrior.

bowezed · 07/20/08, 11:31 AM

Hi, sorry if this is off topic but I just specced survival a day or so a go.. is it the same as Beast mastery shot wise? (Steady auto timing) or should I throw in stings / arcane anything?

Help before my raid time (9:30 EST) would be much appreciated guys, thanks.

Also, unbuffed my agi is currently around 900-920, is that good enough (i should be over 1000 with elixir/food/buffs)

thanks guys.

pwnsauce123 · 07/20/08, 8:45 PM

yea...i think that could be my awnser..any other tips that i could use for my hunter?
any other macros or just the steady shot macro?

United10 · 07/20/08, 9:16 PM

I have been trying to peruse the myriad of posts in this thread and gain some insight into how to be a great healadin. I started healing for our arena team and hadn't ever done it before. I soon began healing for 5 mans and eventually Kara. After reading through here I noticed mention of using different ranks of HL. I am currently using Grid with Clique for my healing and only using FL and HL at their highest ranks. I'm trying to figure out what I need to do to become better. I currently have just under 2000 +healing with about 25% crit chance and 149 mp5. My haste rating is at 14. I primarily heal Kara, 5 man heroics, and arena. I'm trying to understand what stats, gear and gems I should be looking for, particularly post Kara. Most of my gear is PVP Arena gear with a few other pieces added in for my PVE set. Is it necessary for me to start stacking haste? Is spell crit a better stat to stack for PVP? Should I be getting a separate PVE set?
As far as stacking haste, it appears that stacking haste is done with the intention of using a downgraded HL. I am very new to this thread and the theorycrafting behind healadins, so please dont be too harsh on me. I'm just trying to get some ideas here on what stats I need to look for post-Kara.

Dra · 07/20/08, 9:31 PM

Originally Posted by Avitus

Now just to avoid any misunderstandings: I spec holy frequently and I welcome any buffs we get, however I see these changes (if they make it to live, I know this is still very early beta) equivalent to a death sentence to retribution spec in 25 man raids.

Ideas, comments?

I have an idea. Go to the goddamn WoW-forums! These forums are getting worse by the day because of posts like yours and the assholes that actually argue with the people that post them.

I thought the "rule" here was to post facts and theories that have been and can be verified and tested in-game. Especially the last three days the oh-my-god-the-sky-is-falling-what-will-we-do to actually useful information ratio has been way too fucking much to one. So yes, I'm going to just hi-jack your post to urge the moderaters to do something about it. Blow me.

IKT · 07/20/08, 9:49 PM

I haven't had any issues with omen in a loooong time, thus I have no reason to tryout DTM.

Going back to KTM would feel like going back to 2005.

Samiel · 07/20/08, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Antiock

Actually, reports are suggesting that Art of War is massively overpowered. The "double damage" seems to be applied after every other multiplier, and its not the same as a critical strike. There have been Judgements of Command for well over 10k on stunned targets.

Also, even without Art of War, judgements are doing a lot more damage, and with Judgements of the Wise's mana return scaling with damage, even if it is random it's not going to be negligible. Same with the heal from Divine Storm.

That's a lot of damage, heh, 10K, maybe people will actually fear a Ret Paladin now

Tictaklin · 07/20/08, 10:53 PM

I'm going to assume this has been posted already in this thread, not sure if it's been thoroughly discussed. This is only regarding Sunwell, +Haste or +Heal? I've looked at many wws reports of KJ kills and there is really no winner between paladins using max heal/crit and paladins using max haste, even one's who disregard socket bonus's. I began using Haste when I saw alot of Sunwell gear had passive haste on it. Also there was a thread on SK gaming's site where their pallies really support haste in Sunwell. They talked about how Sunwell isn't a FoL instance, the raid damage is too high, Haste increased their HPS by quite some bit, and so on. I'm wondering what everyone else is thinking, and if there are any numbers to prove one way or another. I'm just confused because like I said before I've seen wws reports where the pallies are 1 and 2 on the charts and are gemmed for max heal/crit and other reports where the pallies are 1 and 2 but are gemmed for max haste. Loot FTW was my best example of max heal paladins who are #1 and 2 on a KJ kill. Here is the wws Wow Web Stats

Here is my armory link if you think there is something I can do to improve myself. It's 221 Haste btw. I'm aiming for 300 to get a 1.67 Holy Light cast with Light's Grace up. The World of Warcraft Armory

I just looked a few pages back, there is alot of talk about it. I'll look again there.

Shaven · 07/21/08, 1:52 AM

well i tried 4 piece t5 + 4 piece t6 on illidan tonight...

and...

yeah, im maimer...

no shadowpriest in the raid, no elemental shaman.

Ox539 · 07/21/08, 8:18 AM

Originally Posted by Jheherrin

Can we keep WotLK discussions to the WotLK Enhancement thread please?
It just confuses the issue if posted here.

While we're at it: is there any way I could get the source code of Y0!'s simulator? I really would like to try and extend it for WotLK...

Evoroth · 07/21/08, 9:19 AM

Epic guide. Has really helped me in learning to be a successful tank from nothing.

Kanaka · 07/21/08, 7:18 PM

hi i was wondering if you guys can tellme what u think . atm im 41/20/0 and love the bm spec but i think i can do more even tho i dont raid with a guild anymore. my main plan is to get the most dps i can no matter what.
armory link The World of Warcraft Armory

Argavaine · 07/22/08, 5:18 AM

I don’t know about you but I have a big déj�* vu. I think there is a big paladin development problem.
Before a new expansion arrives some devs have to decide where the classes should go:

Dev1: Paladins are weak now but they have to keep some weaknesses and some class mechanics should stay unique so lets tweak some talents and improve paladins strengths in order to make them competitive with other classes.

Dev2: ok

Dev3: ok

So patchnotes arrive and some paladins say WTF BLIZ ? Where is our snare/interrupt/MS/purge etc … other paladins say to them that they are just a bunch of some crybabies and the new improvements and damage are tremendous.

So the Beta arrives and other classes realize that Paladins can sometimes one shot them with their huge burst damage (ok its always to early for real testing lvl 60 for BC and lvl 70 for WotLK but nevertheless).

Other classes: WTF Bliz?

Devs: ok you are right

Paladins: that hurts but you are right one shoting should not happen.

So devs have to reduce our burst/damage ….. and here we go now ….

What do you think?

alwyzbkillin · 07/22/08, 12:05 PM

is there a HOLY WotLK discussion. I see one for Shadow and Disc but not one for holy..

alwyzbkillin · 07/22/08, 12:29 PM

Tyvm..

Cynex · 07/22/08, 12:34 PM

Hello,

I have been reading this post for pretty long time. I have rolled balance spec in my new guild, so i am kinda new comer to moonkin dps. I would like to ask some experienced people to check my armory link (The World of Warcraft Armory) and tell if i am doing anything wrong, and what should i do in the future. I am pushing 1600 dps on brutallus which doesnt satisfy me. Any tips, recomends are apreciated

.

Thanks in advance, Cynex.