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12/30/08, 11:12 AM
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#1601
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Piston Honda
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My guild's experience is the same as Lucinde's.
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12/30/08, 1:31 PM
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#1602
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Piston Honda
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What do you guys think of this for a build next patch for both PvE and PvP.
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?sham...h=150712070605
Unrelenting Storms going to 12% and people getting more and more geared every week, I don't think convection will be useful at all in PvE.
Missing 2 points from Elemental Weapons isn't ideal but i think most people will still manage without 50 spell power.
I know its not ideal for super high arena players or min max PvE players, but i don't see myself needing to respec at all after 3.08
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12/30/08, 1:54 PM
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#1603
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Glass Joe
Dwarf Druid
Anvilmar (EU)
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Originally Posted by Blafa
I just finnished my "final" wrath interface. Built on Ace 3. Be sure to check the combat screen below!
Addons:
Pitbull - Unitframes
kgPanels - Panels
Bartender 4 - Actions Bars
Ebb - Buffs
Prat - Chat
FuBar - "Addon Tracking bar"
Simple Minimap - Map
Recount - Damage Meters
DoTimer - Dot Timers
Quartz - Castingbar
In-Combat Screen
Comments and suggestions appreciated!
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Can you send me how you have that setup? What addon shows raid dps? And what fubar is that, i cant find one like it.
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12/30/08, 2:00 PM
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#1604
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Von Kaiser
Orc Death Knight
Black Dragonflight
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Just going to vent here to see if anyone else feels the same way.
Right now unholy owns the monopoly of 2h dps. No other 2h dps spec can touch unholy dps. Suprisingly this spec is going to get buffed in the patch with the ghoul glyph adding yet more percent of your strength to the ghoul. As well as night of the dead being buffed for more consistant ghoul uptime.
I don't know about you guys but i rolled thsi class because of the extreme flexibility it promised and the buffs it could bring. If any one was missing i could switch my spec and bring the buff the raid was missing at a cost of plus or minus 300 dps.
I can easily pull 4k+ in raids as unholy 2h spec. If i go blood, not only do i have to work twice as hard and keep an extremely tight rotation, but i come out with far less dps while doing more work. And frost...
Frost is so absurd right now. Im simply stunned that a PS'less rotation is working best. While it might work, to me that just feels clunky and downright bad design.
Then we have DW builds. Right now the DW builds are doing the most dps. Blizzard said they didn't want to promote DW builds because too many dk's would go DW instead of 2h. I dont understand this logic. They base everything around making players make a choice. So why not just let them choose? Why halfass things and make people go hybrid spec just to make DW work.
I think the Bullet needs to be bit and they just need to make frost the DW build.
With the patch looming, to me i see unholy as our beastmaster pve spec, Blood tanking with a last stand lasting 30 seconds with 50 percent more healing on a one minute cooldown, that will become the tank spec as i honestly see no way that spec can ever die with good healers. (By good healers i mean our holy paladin who can solo heal 10 man sapphiron.)
GC even admitted that he is suprised dk's havent needed more tweaks up to this point but the tweaks are coming. How long must we wait though? This patch is taking forever to come out, obviously because of holidays, but the next content patch = a raid dungeon and we already know how long those take to come out. We can bank on four months of waiting.
I dunno, im just not impressed at the current standing of our class. Its very unpolished and needs a ton of work.
End rant
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12/30/08, 2:16 PM
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#1605
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Glass Joe
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Thank you very much nathan!
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12/30/08, 2:45 PM
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#1606
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King Hippo
Blood Elf Death Knight
Blackrock
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Originally Posted by Zadus
I dunno, im just not impressed at the current standing of our class. Its very unpolished and needs a ton of work.
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Maybe it seems that way because the Death Knight class has been live for, oh, let's call it two months. TWO MONTHS. How many years of polish did it take the Paladin to get as solid as it is now? Ok, how about Warlock and Druid (current iteration of the Warlock class nonwithstanding)?
With the extremely short lifetime of the class, I think Blizzard is doing an admirable job; none of the talent trees are completely useless and, after this upcoming patch, all three will be able to tank. It's a great first effort which will, hopefully, be followed up by the same continued attention and tweaking that most of the other classes have gotten.
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I am not your personal Frost Deathknight knowledge base. If you have a simple question, ask in the simple questions thread; if you have a more esoteric, specific, or complicated question, ask in the spec-appropriate thread.
My PM, WoWmail, and, especially, chat boxes are NOT the appropriate places for these questions.
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12/30/08, 2:53 PM
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#1607
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Von Kaiser
Troll Mage
Shadow Council
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Ah, I didn't realize Omen was already scaling threat displays in that manner. Thanks for the clarification.
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12/30/08, 3:39 PM
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#1608
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Death Knight
Al'Akir (EU)
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Originally Posted by Ren
I got 6559 DPS ( recount ss) on Patchwerk earlier tonight with this 32/39 spec. I find that Night of the Dead is only useful on very few fights (Sapph, Heigan, Sarth) so I didn't bother speccing it. I tank on Sartharion anyways. The major glyphs I used were Ghoul, Icy Touch, and Plague Strike. Tejax, the other dps DK, was 17/0/54 Unholy.
I started channeling Army of the Dead the second the boss was engaged and then followed this rotation:
IT-PS-HB-BS-BS
IT-PS-HB-IT-IT
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Oh hello. You basically just blew all the theorycrafting out of the water by pumping 6559 DPS in to Patchwork with uncapped expertise and hit (and 24% unbuffed crit). Did the stars allign for you on this fight or are you constantly seeing this kind of output?
I guess we need to revamp that stat table a bit, judging Ren's DPS. AP>*?
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12/30/08, 3:43 PM
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#1609
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by meStevo
Maybe I should have been paying more attention... because im at 1200agi and almost 4k ap with dragonhawk. It worth re-gemming for AP over my 4 +16 agi gems at this point? Was BM for so long (have been SV since just after 3.0 came out) that just kept with 'zomg agi > *' mentality ever since.
Edit: Well, I know the answer to this... the spreadsheet. Need to get Office back on my computer at home 
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Im at work... so fired up the spreadhseet and thought I'd answer my own question.
Edit: Fixing my numbers cause im a spreadsheet noob. Loaded my talents tinkered with the shot rotation, and using the stock 'level 80 raid' buffs' agi appears to be a ~3dps improvement over subbing in ap gems as survival.
Last edited by meStevo : 12/30/08 at 4:43 PM.
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12/30/08, 9:38 PM
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#1610
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Glass Joe
Undead Death Knight
Detheroc
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Could anyone link a good pve/raid resto spec plz :P
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12/31/08, 9:56 AM
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#1612
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Glass Joe
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Angry Dread/Webbed Death combo
I have been lucky in naxx:
I just got Angry Dread
I also have Webbed Death
I also have Maexxna's Femur
I want to use Dread and Webbed Death.
My question is how to best spec for them.
I have tried the spreadsheet and it doesn't answer my question.
Should I spec with Mace Specialization or Close Quarters?
Does anyone know of a link to a spec which would work with these?
I sure would appreciate any help
Thanks
Naknek
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12/31/08, 10:36 AM
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#1613
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Von Kaiser
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Gnome Hunter
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by Praanz
Have 1 person announce waves (we use our sartharion tank) with LEFT or RIGHT. Now people never need to think or look from wich side a wave comes.
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We do this (with inside / outside calls). We didn't consider it until afterwards, but using flares could simplify this even further. Drop two flares in your primary safe zones and call a color. DPS can run to a color with minimal thinking allowing them to further focus on their rotations.
Unrelated to strategy, was anyone else disappointed with these encounters still? Granted they were much more difficult than any of the other encounters so far in Wrath, but we still spent much less time (30 pulls for 25-man, ~65 for 10 man) than anything in Burning Crusade going back as far as SSC. Hell, we didn't even understand how Twilight Torment worked until we began attempts on the 10-man version after we had cleared the encounter in 25-man. Not that it's fun banging your head against content for months on end, but post-nerf, pre-3.0 M'uru was probably the most fun I've had raiding and these encounters didn't even come close :\
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12/31/08, 11:32 AM
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#1614
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Glass Joe
Orc Death Knight
Alonsus (EU)
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Originally Posted by Pyros
1) If you mean currently, no, the general concensus is anything but unholy sucks, unless you're in very early tanking gear where frost is as good/better than unholy. If you mean next patch, people are working on builds, but I guess it'll need to wait. Most versions don't go DRW or Blood Gorged, stopping at the tier before(and taking everything on that tier) then getting frost and unholy goodies.
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Yeah sorry i should have said "after the patch"
I came up with THIS. Wasn't sure wether to take subversion or DRM adn teh general consensus seems to say that Spell deflection isn't much use (unless i've got my wires crossed). Also i figure bloodworms would last as long as a month in a blow torch in boss fights. Am i far off?
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2) Rune Tap is certainly a good tanking talent, I like it when I use an unholy/blood hybrid for sartharion tanking, it's excelent to heal yourself during a wall when your healer will take a few seconds to position and the bad guy is still breathing in your face. Mark of Blood not so much, it seems rather weak because it's not reactive but proactive, meaning you need to know when you will need it before you use it, and also MAYBE(I'm not sure I haven't tested in a long time) it only procs off hits or parries, not misses or dodges.
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Yeah it's only on damage delt isn't it? I'd stick it on the boss right at teh beggining of a fight mebby whilst healers are getting in position. Plus the extra healing never hurts really ^_^
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3) There's currently no fight where it's useful at least. The only fight that it will proc often and stay up is sapphiron, and frost resists is mostly unnecessary for the fight, even undergeared.
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I guess its a a "wait ad see whats in Uladar" talent.
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4) Both, see previous posts
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Yeah thats kinda why i asked ^_^ I'm confused as to which is best for when
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5) Matter of taste, and spec. For unholy it's pretty good, for blood not so much. Also depends on your gear and how much hit you have, and if you run 10man or 25man(in 25 you'll often have misery or FF, in 10 not that much). I usually don't bother unless I have useless points, which rarely happens in the first 2 tiers of unholy, even when I skip morbidity.
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Fairy nuff i shall cast it aside! *casts aside Virulence* Ha!
Certainly the most surreal answer I've had to that one 
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12/31/08, 3:30 PM
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#1615
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Warlock
Baelgun (EU)
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Hello guys,
I'm Danijel and new on this Board. So first: plx dont flame me cause i got very highskilled english-skills  .
So.. I read...and read, i mean.. i TRYED to read these Forums good and maybe i failed.I saw many Rotations,many Talent-Trees and testet one Week,every day 1h at the Boss-Dummie.
At the moment is my DPS Rating @ the Dummie from 2700-3300 DPS.
I have some Questions - no, im not angry when you dont answer a noob - its okay. really.
First, my Charakter: The World of Warcraft Armory
Second, my Tree: The World of Warcraft Armory
My Rotation is simple,
1. Lifetap to gain 100 Spelldamage when the Tank is pulling.
2. Shadowbolt for my first Shadow embrace on the Mob
3. Trinket use
4. Haunt
5. UA
6. Immolate
7. Corruption
8. CoA
9. Siphon life
Actually with my 520 ( +spellstone ) Haste i can get 2-3 Shadowbolts before Haunt is going off the mob
Then:
I reset Haunt - UA - Immolate and again casting 4-5 Shadowbolts.
Then: I Start this from the begining, so fazit is: Lifetap - SB - Haunt - UA - Immo - Corr - CoA - Siphon life - sb - sb - sb - haunt - UA - Immo - sb - sb - sb - sb - Haunt - UA - Immo - Corr - CoA - Siphin life - sb - sb - sb - Haunt - UA - Immo - sb - sb - sb - sb . . . . . This is my Rotation and when the Boss is under 25% i look for a 2x Shadow Embrace buff and cast Souldrain - Reset my Haunt - Ua - Immo - Souldrain . . . .
You all know that is the Immolate Buggy and sometimes not goes on the Boss - so: WHAT to to? Reset Immolate & Destroy my Rotation, loose DMG? loose MANA?
OR i Ignore this and cast simply my Rotation without Immolate. Got anyone a answer for this?
My Glyphs are: CoA + Immolate ( damn bug! ) - and Siphon Life.
I always use my little friend with the Firebolts :P + Hastestone
Sometimes i made more DPS with my Firestone for Crit - coz more SB Crits = LOLDPS!
So... I hope one of you Guys can give me some Tipps / Corrections for my Gear/Tree/Rotation or else. Just want to learn, learn & learn to become one Day perfect. So be my Guru and Teach me! :>
You can Add me @ MSN or ICQ:
MSN: vexxo@web.de
ICQ: 148193985
PS: Sorry for this long, long Message
Good new year... Ditox.
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12/31/08, 7:20 PM
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#1616
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Glass Joe
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EXCELLENT!
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12/31/08, 7:29 PM
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#1617
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by Lohegrin
What do people do when you get an LnL proc? Just spam ES skipping the third tick or ES Arcane ES or just put a steady in between each of the ESs?
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Depends on whether they know how to maximize their DPS or not. Think about it, and the right thing to do will be obvious.
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12/31/08, 8:20 PM
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#1618
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Glass Joe
Human Death Knight
Stormrage
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12/31/08, 9:43 PM
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#1620
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Glass Joe
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Thanks for the input everyone. With all the changes (nerfs) to alch in LK, I'm considering dropping alch from my rogue and picking up mining, and then dropping insc. on the priest and leveling JC. I think a Ench/JC main and a herb/mining alt would be a great setup for a steady income.
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01/01/09, 6:09 AM
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#1621
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Glass Joe
Tauren Druid
Shattered Hand
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I am very interested to see how the availability of weapons in future raids and pvp that we will be able to use. In the past it has always seemed like we could choose one of three or four decent weapons through out the entire game.
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01/01/09, 8:16 AM
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#1622
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Glass Joe
Troll Hunter
Skullcrusher
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Originally Posted by Garby
Cobra Reflexes is always a DPS increase.
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Cool, explain.
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01/01/09, 9:33 AM
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#1623
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Glass Joe
Human Warlock
Zenedar (EU)
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I think the hardest heroic i have done is halls of stone, always had a poor tank who cant control aggro of all the mobs when you have to protect the dwarf. So so far have avoided doing this instance although i need i for the champion of the frozen wastes title.
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01/01/09, 1:15 PM
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#1624
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Glass Joe
Hounddog
Night Elf Druid
No WoW Account (EU)
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Excessive
A bit excessive on that "wannabe" part, but still =)
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01/01/09, 1:58 PM
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#1625
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Glass Joe
Troll Shaman
Nathrezim (EU)
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Hey guys,
Some guildmates and me were planning to slay Srtharion 3D 10er but we aren't quite sure if our setup is suitable for the fight. Our current setup is casterbased:
2Tanks(tankadin for all the adds and drakes/warri for sartharion)
2heal ( Healpally for both tanks and prist for groupheal)
6casterdd's ( 1 eleshamy/2warlocks/1mage/2moonkins)
I think every raidmember is very well geared and skilled... only the setup isn't quite sure...
Are 2 healers able to manage the high raiddmg?
Our plan was, to slay shadron before vesperons landing... we are all around 5k dps at patchwerk, while bloodlust a bit higher...
I only want to collect some feedback from someone who already maneged this fight.
mfg Finno
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