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Old 01/01/09, 2:30 PM   #1626
gorfiend252
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Draenei Death Knight
 
Lothar
Weapon Enchants

I have seen alot of discussion about what spec DW might be best. What I havent seen (or have just missed and sorry if I have) is what are the best 2 weapon enchants and is it consistant with each spec or does the best weapon enchant combo change with wichever DW spec you choose?
 
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Old 01/01/09, 2:37 PM   #1627
Xanfear
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Tauren Death Knight
 
Emeriss (EU)
I've spent hours testing the 32/39 with fast/fast, slow/fast, blood/unholy presence - and I haven't been able to hit anywhere close to the numbers that everyone else seems to be putting up.
So what was the best combo? Fast/fast or slow/fast? Blood/unholy presence?
I just specced this 0/32/39 to test out the dps compared to my usual unholy build, but on a dummie i do 400-500 more dps. Might be just the icy talon which you don't have in unholy, but you do get the 20% from shammy. It seems promising, but i only have 1 dps 1h weap, therefore i'm using a 1h tank weapon in my OH.
 
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Old 01/01/09, 5:17 PM   #1628
RoundDisc
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Night Elf Warrior
 
Azjol-Nerub
Man, i really wish they didn't remove the swing time loss off of slam. It used to be really fun and hard to do a slam rotation. I was awesome at doing that and timing it perfectley. Now its meh.
 
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Old 01/01/09, 6:42 PM   #1629
Griefknight
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Orc Death Knight
 
Detheroc
I have finally took the time to log into the PTR and test out blood tanking. I'm about to say that blood will be my new tank spec but I am having trouble figuring out what my rotation is as a tank. I'm also curious as to where my points are best spent. This may have been answered a few pages back, sorry if they have.

Then I have to decide on glyphs... I suppose this has all been discussed pages ago but I don't see to much.

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Old 01/01/09, 6:43 PM   #1630
astateofmind
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Human Death Knight
 
Chamber of Aspects (EU)
Hey, i'm new around, unfortunately i didn't had time to read everything on the forum, so: my build

Few questions:

1. Is haste important for DW? More precise: should i drop the 3 points in [Virulence] or maybe the 3 in [Outbreak] and put 5 points in [Icy Talons]? Or is better to drop the [Icy talons] (and the 2 in [Black Ice]) and put the points in UH another talent?

2. Rune of Fallen crusader on both weaps?

3. Is OH importan to be a very fast weapon or i should choose a weapon with better dps and stats against a faster one?

Example: [Fang of Truth] or [Furious Saronite Beatstick]

Thanks!
 
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Old 01/01/09, 7:31 PM   #1631
blitzseed
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Human Death Knight
 
Anvilmar
Ok i will go back and see what i can find. ty
 
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Old 01/01/09, 7:40 PM   #1632
Broseph
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Night Elf Druid
 
Dragonmaw
Originally Posted by astateofmind View Post
Hey, i'm new around, unfortunately i didn't had time to read anythingon the forum
Your post edited for inaccuracy.

Read this thread to find answers to your questions and to find out why your build is terrible.

You have come to the wrong place if you expect us to do your work for you.
 
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Old 01/01/09, 7:53 PM   #1633
Whispering_mole
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Human Rogue
 
Kel'Thuzad
I use death coil also when i have runic power it add alot of dps during what ever fight you are doing
 
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Old 01/01/09, 9:53 PM   #1634
endersshadow
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Undead Warlock
 
Bleeding Hollow
Hey guys.. wish I could make a new thread about this, but I am on "post probation" since I am a new account. I have been reading elitistjerks for over a year and only now find a need to make a new post.

I have been trying various specs out and have found the 41/30 to be the most decent thus far after trying pure demo/pure destro/and pure affliction specs, I have not tried the 2/13/56 spec that people seem to rave about. My problem is that I lack sufficent crititcal strike at this time so really benifit from the 10% that you pickup from the 41/30 and love the 15% damage bonus of fire when CoA procs the buff.. my rotation I do is CoA/immo/incinerate until immo needs to be refreshed then rinse and repeat..

I stay away from laying curruption due to the mana cost and also the cost of the GCD effectivly making it better to cast immo/inc spam.

My question is this: I know that various specs are very gear dependant and here is where I currently stand on gear: The World of Warcraft Armory

I have 28.2% crit, so 33% on fire spells and 35% when i equip my firestone. My spellpower with the 41 in demo gives gets me to 2100 when fel armor is up with a demon out.

I am pulling close to 2500 single target dps, my question is I have seen people here claiming 4k dps to 5k dps single target dps. So my question is am I doing something wrong is the other specs really that better? I have tried the different specs and did not get near the dps I do now with 41/30 my gear has improved since those days but I know that 10% crit difference is making the difference with the 100% crit dps bonus that you get from bane. Without the extra 10% I would only crit out of every 3 or 4 casts, where with my current 35% crit I crit every 2/3 casts, with the norm being every second cast.

So with the gear that I have does anyone think I would benifit from another spec and what would the rotation be?

Thank you for any input you can provide.
 
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Old 01/01/09, 10:58 PM   #1635
Liania
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Blood Elf Warlock
 
Mazrigos (EU)
About glyphs... Some suggest Immolate/CoA/SL is the best while others go with corruption instead of SL. Which is the best?
 
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Old 01/02/09, 12:05 AM   #1636
bigdawg78
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Human Death Knight
 
Stormscale
Originally Posted by Consider View Post
Rune Strike is when you parry or dodge an enemy attack, not when the enemy parries or dodges one of your attacks. Thus, expertise is completely irrelevant to it.
For some reason I thought it was the other way around. My bad. Sheesh so must hostility.
 
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Old 01/02/09, 3:43 AM   #1637
Triks
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Cho'gall
Originally Posted by Arawethion View Post
I'm in the same boat--it can be hard to shed hit until you get the right drops. He has both Leggings of the Wanton Spellcaster and Dying Curse, so he needs a pretty specific set of top gear to get back down to cap.
screw hit stats;(
 
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Old 01/02/09, 8:14 AM   #1638
WannaSPOON
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Human Warlock
 
Bleeding Hollow
Qupe, what unit frame is that you're using?
 
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Old 01/02/09, 8:56 AM   #1639
Qupe
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Kilrogg
Stuf : WoWInterface Downloads : Unit Mods

They're pretty great. Really similar config to that of Pitbull but far, far, far, less resources.
 
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Old 01/02/09, 9:19 AM   #1640
codydude815
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Troll Hunter
 
Wyrmrest Accord
Hey guys, long time reader, first time poster.

Just had a couple questions, but first off i'd like to say how appreciative i am that you take your time to do this.

These are gonna sounds pretty noobish, because i really suck with number crunching when it involves pets.

1.) The general consensus i get is that cats and scorpids will still be better post nerf, but out of those two, which is just flat out better?


2.) How much of a DPS reduction are BM hunters looking at after the nerf? I put out ~2.8k in naxx overall atm, hitting about 2.2 on bosses, and up to 6k on trash (<3 volley)

3.) I see how most of your pets are putting at least half of your DPS out, but mine only puts out ~900 where i put out 1900-2200. I'm currently using a cat.

Thanks =)

PS, my gear really isn't that great, my guild is pretty much stuck in 10 man naxx atm, with a few 25 mans with another guild.
 
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Old 01/02/09, 12:30 PM   #1641
Mayorsayer
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Gnome Warlock
 
Nathrezim
Originally Posted by Aarian View Post
I have been raiding as affliction for a while, and im starting to wonder if the 0/30/40 +1 spec can even compete with 55/0/16.. I have yet to see a meter where a demo/destro warlock has been close to an affliction lock.. I'd really like to play as some type of destro if it isn't going to gimp my dps, just looking for some insentive
i run 0/31/41 and never get beat by other similarly geared locks on any fight EXCEPT patchwork and heigan.

IMO affliction is like communism. both are great in theory not in practice.

i play on a pvp server so i also RAPE affliction locks out in the world. There is nothing like a soulfire gank
 
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Old 01/02/09, 12:54 PM   #1642
Tzeni
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Bonechewer
Originally Posted by Snowy View Post
The discussion here was about only having one HS tank -- i.e. 2 tanking Patchwerk, not 3. In that case, you have to set things up so that melee don't get hit by HS, because the 3rd person on the threat list will be an option if healing isn't done corrrectly.
Ah, I see. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
 
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Old 01/02/09, 12:58 PM   #1643
Skyreaper
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Gnome Warlock
 
Runetotem (EU)
The 0\40\31 vs 0\31\40

Im really trying to work out what specc that would turn out the most DPS.

So far, i havent been able to find a clear winner is theese 2 builds!

Any thoughts about this?

The builds im talking about is:

0\40\31

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

0\31\40

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
 
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Old 01/02/09, 2:20 PM   #1644
IWEARGOGGLES
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Mal'Ganis
I know this is really basic to say, but make sure divine plea is used every minute and arcane torrent is used often as well.

Now, since I'm [sadly] a perfectionist, I was wondering about maximizing AP from professions. I've read on here that JC/BS is the best combination for adding DPS, but I'm mostly curious about how much better it is than enchanting/[jc or bs]. Are there any stats posted on this?

And lastly, how do these 2 stack up for future patches? Will you be able to make a decent amount of gold with JC in upcoming patches? I only ask because I'm pretty confident with my gold making skills using enchanting. If the AP increase is significant I'd probably change anyways though.

Thanks in advance!
 
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Old 01/02/09, 2:26 PM   #1645
presidentofmalf
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Human Warlock
 
Malfurion
Since I installed WOTLK, my WoW has been totally out of commission (I'm a Comcast customer, no doubt). Sooo, I'm only 73. I've had little to no desire to read up on a game I can't play - but I am moving this week and will have new interwebz, so I've put together this MM spec - what do you guys think?

I was thinking of taking the extra points from efficiency and moving them into Go For the Throat, or imp arcane... or maybe keeping the efficiency points and taking the points out of survival.

Any thoughts?

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Old 01/02/09, 2:42 PM   #1646
Daysha
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Human Paladin
 
Ysondre
Originally Posted by IWEARGOGGLES View Post
I know this is really basic to say, but make sure divine plea is used every minute and arcane torrent is used often as well.

Now, since I'm [sadly] a perfectionist, I was wondering about maximizing AP from professions. I've read on here that JC/BS is the best combination for adding DPS, but I'm mostly curious about how much better it is than enchanting/[jc or bs]. Are there any stats posted on this?

And lastly, how do these 2 stack up for future patches? Will you be able to make a decent amount of gold with JC in upcoming patches? I only ask because I'm pretty confident with my gold making skills using enchanting. If the AP increase is significant I'd probably change anyways though.

Thanks in advance!
check out the very first post on this thread under the [Professions] heading
 
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Old 01/02/09, 3:45 PM   #1647
Bellante
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Tauren Shaman
 
Mazrigos (EU)
I did not know that. Thanks for the heads up!
 
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Old 01/02/09, 4:30 PM   #1648
crazian
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Undead Priest
 
Tichondrius
So I have just started to arena this season and was trying to figure out which spec seems to be the way to go. I was really interested in the new idea of stacking crit which i liked cause it would allow me to go shadow if i ever wanted to also.

The crit seems like "eh"-ish at first look but when i take into consideration that my twos partner is a Boomkin i feel like that makes it even more valuable to stack crit.

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

This is my current build right now. I would just like suggestions or ideas of what you guys think.
 
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Old 01/02/09, 4:37 PM   #1649
Whispering_mole
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Human Rogue
 
Kel'Thuzad
Pyrinaa If it works for other aoes im going to assume it will work for most/all aoes
 
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Old 01/02/09, 6:16 PM   #1650
Hanturd
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Orc Hunter
 
Llane
Wondering if I could get some input on a possible spec I will be raiding with in 25 man content. I have just hit the haste cap and planned on going mm, but survival looks like it would be a lot of fun, so we built a hybrid.

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

It includes Trueshot which is one of the staples of mm + some fun AP increase talents down in survival. Do you guys think this would be viable?

 
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