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Evøl · 01/02/09, 6:24 PM

Hey Everyone,

Wow Armory Character Sheet

First time poster as well, I've was hoping to get feedback on my current build. Ive spent quite a bit of gold on re-speccing 41/30, 30/41, CB Destro Etc. Most times I hover between high 1800's - 2.2K on naxx 10 content and I'm looking to improve. I have the +73 spell hit trinket that I usually raid with. and with the imp out and imp firestone I'm around 26% Crit, 340 Hit, and around 1850 approximate spell damage +3% Inc Fire Damage without raid buffs / consumables.

any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks!

Fenz · 01/02/09, 7:21 PM

Originally Posted by Evøl

Hey Everyone,

Wow Armory Character Sheet

First time poster as well, I've was hoping to get feedback on my current build. Ive spent quite a bit of gold on re-speccing 41/30, 30/41, CB Destro Etc. Most times I hover between high 1800's - 2.2K on naxx 10 content and I'm looking to improve. I have the +73 spell hit trinket that I usually raid with. and with the imp out and imp firestone I'm around 26% Crit, 340 Hit, and around 1850 approximate spell damage +3% Inc Fire Damage without raid buffs / consumables.

any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks!

Fallenman has a thread for that on the US forums and maybe on wowmb.net too. I hope we do not get 500 please comment on my build posts in here.

flimflam · 01/02/09, 7:29 PM

Originally Posted by Hanturd

Wondering if I could get some input on a possible spec I will be raiding with in 25 man content. I have just hit the haste cap and planned on going mm, but survival looks like it would be a lot of fun, so we built a hybrid.

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

It includes Trueshot which is one of the staples of mm + some fun AP increase talents down in survival. Do you guys think this would be viable?

You could run any build you want but i think it would be a big mistake DPS wise to skip out on either Explosive Shot or Chimera Shot being that they add a lot of damage to the respective specs. (Explosive even more after the patch if it stays the way it is on the PTR)

lelos · 01/02/09, 7:31 PM

Hi there i have some questions about mage gear i want to know whats the best gear atm for a mage i currently have 4 part of valor all except head also got hood of rationality]and gown of the spellweaver so i am wondering whats better to use atm 4 x t7.5 parts + head or chest and one more thing whats is better when hot streak procs and i am casting a frostfire to interupt the spell and cast pyro or w8 for the ffb to cast.

Zodrune · 01/02/09, 7:48 PM

Im currently lvl 70, soon to be 71 and is lvling in Northrend. Atm I am specced unholy but think it would be better with blood cause of the Unholy Presence, heres my talent build. So can I please have a suggestion on a specc IF i should respecc at all.

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Glac · 01/02/09, 8:22 PM

On the topic of expertise, as a Human DK, I get swords and mace's sadly.. I see orcs on here with Axes sitting around 27 expertise, is that a number I should shoot for? and what about when not using a weapon your race gets expertise in?

silver7 · 01/02/09, 8:24 PM

hello i want to know what is the best specc actually for warlock, what is the hit capped, haste VS crit what is more important?? atm im using master demonology and shadow and flame. but i want to know the opinion of the pro players. thx for atention and hope i can learn with people here.

Actovision · 01/02/09, 8:32 PM

Originally Posted by testthewest

Denying the point, that survivability must come at the cost of dps is arrogant.

So too is claiming that you sacrifice everything for single-target dps when many Frostfire mages can spec for excellent aoe damage (in both the frost and fire trees), for example. And it's also arrogant to claim that simply because you absolutely require your spec to do more damage it should be so, purple monkey dishwasher! I tried to hint at this point above, but it seems I need to spell it out. If you feel that your fun is being infringed upon because another class/spec can do equal damage and stand in the fire a little longer, maybe you should play a game that's more suited to your monomaniacal impulses, and not this ever-changing, social, cooperative MMO. Because it's pretty clear you are in the minority, and Blizz will always pursue changes that bring in more players, instead of those changes that exclude. If yours is the prevailing sentiment on the official forums, then I can see how that dumb ass armor class argument came about...

Compound · 01/02/09, 8:33 PM

Hey Guys, i'll cut straight to the chase.

I've been 80 on my rogue for about two weeks or so, running with 2.4k AP, 24,20% crit and 265 HIT. I'm dual wielding Papercutters, MH with berserking and OH with 26 agi. (So as you can see my gear aint great yet)

I've tried multiple muti specs: 51/10/7 without blood spatter and with blood spatter also tried 53/5/13 and 51/7/13. So basically tried and tested all mutilate specs with and without rupture and with and without slice and dice.

Basically what i'm comming to atm is that my dps using 51/10/7(no blood spatter, no serrated blades but with imp SnD) is the best. Now i'm somewhat puzzled to this because using this spec i'll even use instant in MH and wound in OH and run completely without deadly and do the best dps of all builds spamming eviscerate with imp evis.

So basically i'm asking if anyone can tell me if my AP/HIT/CRIT is to blame for this or what, because the typical instant/deadly with spatter and serated blades while doing a rotation of garrote, snd, muti, muti, rup, muti, muti, env gets beat to a pulp just doing garotte, snd, muti, muti, evis, muti, muti evis. I've tried every possible spec and poison combo as said.

Enlighten me.

• Garby · 01/02/09, 9:09 PM

Originally Posted by Hanturd

Wondering if I could get some input on a possible spec I will be raiding with in 25 man content. I have just hit the haste cap and planned on going mm, but survival looks like it would be a lot of fun, so we built a hybrid.

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

It includes Trueshot which is one of the staples of mm + some fun AP increase talents down in survival. Do you guys think this would be viable?

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Kontagion · 01/02/09, 9:23 PM

So I tried the 0/20/51 build, I liked it a lot, and it gave me the best DPS so far in a raid, however; I didn't like losing the Haste from frost. This led me to come up with this build... 0/27/44 (Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft)
Basically in frost you pick up all the normal talents but you also get 2 points in RPM since you don't gain UB from the unholy tree, this allows you to throw out 3 death coils in an RP dump. In unholy I was able to pick up NotD and WP to keep my ghoul up easier and WP because it's pro. I'm not in "the best gear" solo I can do 2-2.3k depending on procs and what not, in a raid I can do 3.5k on a boss. With this build over a 10 minute sparse on a target dummy in ebon hold, I was doing 2.154 DPS. Icy Touch and Melee made up 60% of my damage (IT being 31% and Melee being 29%) then the rest was filled with procs, etc. I'm not much of a theory crafter, but this build seems to hold potential. I cam here hoping one of you guru's could do some further testing and input your ideas and feedback on this spec.

Peace.

csbassplaye3r2003 · 01/03/09, 1:12 AM

Just looking for a critique on my spec/build.

WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Death Knight -> Talent Calculator

Primary partner will probably be a boomkin (friend of mine). We've been thinking of it as a counter comp vs the DK/Ret paladin 2s team that seems to dominate the upper tier. (Deathgrip + typhoon for disruption)

One thing I've been wondering about is the value of mark of blood vs. hungering cold. They both offer a survivability skill, but in a different forms, any thoughts would be appreciated.

Glyphs:
Blood strike, Dnd, IBF

Thinking about switching Dnd or bloodstrike for Oblit.

tkoreaper · 01/03/09, 4:09 AM

At what point does Haste become more valuable than Crit? I noticed that a while back my spreadsheet was saying that haste had more value, but since then I've replaced a lot of my gear and lost quite a bit of crit and now the latest spreadsheet is telling me that crit is of higher value. Currently I have 12.94% crit and 529 haste.

Also I did some fiddling around with some gear and came up with *THIS*, tell me what you think.

Phantomp · 01/03/09, 11:24 AM

Iv heard that in 3.0.8 deep destruc will go through some changes i was wondering it is a good time to switch to deep destruc from fg/emberstorm build in 3.0.8. im also wondering how deep destruc will fair against deep afflict in patch 3.0.8 any1 has any idea? also would anyone give me any comments on how viable this build is Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft thanks in advance.

Sinoshi · 01/03/09, 12:07 PM

I am currently 44/27 and is this the right rotation to be using?

PS IT HB BS BS Runic Dump
HB IT IT HB Runic Dump

Also I have the talent Runic Mastery and I was wondering if its better to drop it for Annihilation for its crit.

Sinoshi · 01/03/09, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Sinoshi

I am currently 44/27 and is this the right rotation to be using?

PS IT HB BS BS Runic Dump
HB IT IT HB Runic Dump

Also I have the talent Runic Mastery and I was wondering if its better to drop it for Annihilation for its crit.

Anyone?

Rosoe · 01/03/09, 2:23 PM

Could it be generally assumed (all personal simming aside) that itemization is much better for enhancement shamans in Wrath and mail will generally be more attractive than leather at this point? Or do I need to be digging around in the dead skins of animals bin still?

Teagen_Sirrus · 01/03/09, 3:41 PM

Stupid Question, but I'm having one of those days.
What is the name of the Pally T7 Gear?

Keji · 01/03/09, 4:08 PM

Alright, heres a question to throw out there, If you have the sigil where increases your Obliterate and SS damage by 420, would your OB be stronger than HB? If that is true that it is stronger, how would you modify the 0/32/39 spec? So it would include the talent Annihlation?

*edit*
Could 43/28 potentially work? Any suggestions? IDK if this spec works or not, I just thought of it off of my head, someone could of even already posted this spec lol. Any suggestions on spec, will it work for the sigil if the sigil makes Obliterate stronger than HB?

coldbear · 01/03/09, 4:22 PM

Cheers Habba for pushing me to re-re-read all of Toskks' pages. Made me realize how far behind Windchilla in gear I am - even though we run the exact same instances, and i can finally say I understand the relationships between Agi/Str/Hit/Exp with respect to dps.

Zelyon · 01/03/09, 4:44 PM

Originally Posted by Azrayne

First thing to ask yourself is whether you have a shadow priest/moonkin available the majority of the time? I imagine most 25 man guilds, and no small number of 10 man guilds, would, in which case you can drop back down to 289 hit.

As far as specific items go, Mark of the War Prisoner from H VH and Dying Curse from Naxx25 both provide a large chunk of hit rating and a nice DPS bonus (73 hit and a SP useable, and 71 hit and a SP proc, respectively). Can't go wrong with either of them, especially since your trinket choice at the moment is decidedly lacking. Grab whichever one you can get your hands on first, throw a belt buckle on your belt and gem it with a SP/hit gem, bam you're capped, have fun.

If you want to be capped out assuming no moonkin/SP, you're going to have to do a bit more thorough of a regearing. But that's not too big a deal, considering you're still wearing a large number of level 70 items which presumeably you're going to want to replace at the first available opportunity anyway.

I posted a gear setup in the 'best non-raid mage gear' thread which will cap you out at 14% hit and give you very respectable stats without requiring any raid loot, and there's a load of other good suggestions for gear there as well: Best Non-Raid Mage Gear

Mmm, thanks much. Yea, I still have a lot of 70 gear that I'm working on replacing, I haven't been playing much in the last few days, but, I'll get working on that. Thanks a lot, again.

Russta · 01/03/09, 4:56 PM

Valorous/Heroes Redemption.

sandrilde · 01/03/09, 10:24 PM

Did I miss a good discussion of gems somewhere?

Imp kings is such a huge buff that it seems like Agi should be super useful, as it scales with kings. Sure rogues get what a 4 % AP buff as combat? but that's vs. a 10% buff on their agi as kings, and of course more agi buff in HAT spec, too. Yet it seems like most rogues are gemming AP these days.

Anyone crunched the numbers to figure out which is best?

sxizzoe · 01/03/09, 11:25 PM

Out of curiousity, how does Str scale with kitty AP? In relation to agility? Do we have vastly different scaling from rogues or are we pretty much the same? Rawr recommending Str over Agi threw me for a loop and now I am confused because I am feral noob. ?>?

shed · 01/03/09, 11:51 PM

Thanks alot for the testing and the script to determine GCD usage.