Thread of Ultimate Suck - Page 68

damerae · 01/04/09, 12:53 AM

I was curious if someone could take a look at my armory and throw me a few pointers on if and/or what I could re-socket to boost my unholy dps some more. I am currently pushing 4.8k on Patchwerk w/ ghoul and garg (no AoTD).

I noticed that my expertise is not capped, so if anyone has a recommendation on what I should re-socket to cap it that'd be nice. If re-socketing won't make a difference, then so bet it; I'll just continue to upgrade my current gear.

I appreciate it thank you.

WoWArmory Link: The World of Warcraft Armory

P.S. I am using a ring that adds +hit instead of the Ring of Invincibility atm, so I am hit capped at 8%.

Desaan · 01/04/09, 1:08 AM

Blizzard just haven't put in enough effort with arena's and battlegrounds, never mind even thought about what the hell they are doing. What's the point of resilience gear when certain class's (you know who they are) abuse the fact that they can STILL get away with using high end PVE gear in an arena environment just because of the way the class mechanics and talents benefit them.

Flat out, at level 80 when you hand in your 1st team charter you should be given a choice of full blue sets that can only be worn in battlegrounds and arena's with better versions coming from a combo of battleground and arena play. Likewise PVE gear is not allowed into these environments, keeping PVP/PVE two entirely different mechanics.

They could of easily done this before WOTLK and who would of complained? Now, because they have done nothing the situation is a complete mess again.

Persephoneia · 01/04/09, 8:36 AM

Hello Peeps,
Just a quick question about haste. I finally got enough badges to collect my tier 7 chest but after going over the stats I can't justify the spend. I have the crystal infused tunic at the moment and the stats seem more beneficial to me. I will warn you though I have a strange fetish with hit rating. But am I right in thinking haste has very little effect for us rogues? yet it appears on 3 of the 5 tier 7 pieces, where hit or exp would be much better?. Obviously the 2 set rupture bonus makes it worth getting alone. Also does anyone else feel some of the T7 pieces are underwhelming to say the least in comparison to some of even the boe epic items we can obtain?

I have been a long time student of these forums and would just like to give a big thank you to all that contribute so much of your spare time to helkp others learn the in's and outs of the class.
Thank you

Perse x

chicimono · 01/04/09, 8:42 AM

finally a thread for a sv hunter, goin off topic from u guys i would like to thank everyone here puting tips up and all that stuff as now i am learning how to play sv a bit better now on to my issue my dps will testing on heroic dummy went to 1600 or a bit more cant remember correctly but yea i started using the rotation listed at the start of the thread which made my dps higher in heroics but when i get into heroics and raids im always doing 1200dps to 1400 or less i dont know whats the issue but i still get top or near top damage while dps below me is crappin on my dps, is this a stat issue maybe change a few points around in my build to fix it up but i would have to say its not involving my gear as im half epic or more, as usual bm hunters in my guild are like go bm its awesome but i never liked bm sv has always stuck out to me because of the traps and explosive shot so yea not looking to change spec as i have worked so hard geting my sv spec good. so any hel or views on what might be wrong would be a great help thanks

UberDrivel · 01/04/09, 4:43 PM

Originally Posted by UberDrivel

Hi, sorry if this has already been asked, but I was wondering what the ideal way to start (and sustain) a Mutilate cycle was.

Right now, before a boss fight, I...

1. Stack HfB to three stacks and pool energy to max, Tricks of the Trade the tank.
2. Garrote if the pull puts the boss' back to me, but if I have to spend too long getting in position, I'll just Mutilate. Should I be ambushing? (DWing Paper Cutters at the moment.)
3. Start up Slice and Dice immediately with whatever combo points I've just gained, hoping for a Ruthlessness/RS proc.
4. Mutilate, and hope for a crit, which will bring me to 4 combo points.
5. Rupture if I have 4 cps, Mutilate and Rupture if I don't yet.
6. Cross my fingers and hope I can Envenom in time to refresh SnD.
7. Refresh HfB, Rupture and SnD as needed. Pew pew.

Essentially, my main question is what my opener should be - Garrote, Mutilate or Ambush. Generally, does one do a large amount of damage compared to another? (I would think the difference is pretty negligible in overall dps.) Or, as I suspect, is the real difference the number of potential combo points? Garrote awards 1 cp, period. Ambush awards 1 or 2 if it crits, and Mutilate has about a 50/50 chance of awarding two or three. Since I use these points to SnD, essentially Garrote = shortest SnD timer, Mutilate = longest, and Ambush is somewhere in between.

Now, SnD duration is somewhat trivial with Cut to the Chase, but if I want to build up a 4-5 pt Rupture, and some bad luck (no Ruthlessness, no Mutilate crit) means I have to spend ~50 (Mutilate w/ Overkill discount) + 60 (second Mutilate) +25 (Rupture) + 35 (Envenom, refreshing SnD) more energy before I can refresh SnD, It doesn't happen too often, but it sometimes does.

This could all just be nitpicking, but of course I want to min/max with my rotation, as well as my gear.

Any word on this? I went combat last night just for a change of pace, and it was so boring I'm definitely switching back. So...

Isalay · 01/04/09, 6:36 PM

What are your thoughts on [Darkmoon Card: Greatness] for a Resto Shammy? Trying to decide if I should use my deck for my Shammy or my Druid first.

Crackensan · 01/04/09, 7:35 PM

Why Take desecration in the next patch? Is it still worth it over everything else in the tree? if so, wold you take points out of BcB or Necrosis to make room?

moxy · 01/04/09, 9:49 PM

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Haadhun · 01/04/09, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by Xceed

Im 0/53/18 skilled, also thinking mm is the right way through arena. Got some nice survivability plus LnL with Arcane.

Bursts really good at some situations, place trap, let trigger, start firing a Steady Shot (and Autoshot), then Silencing Shot, Chimaera Shot, Arcane Shot, Aimed Shot, Arcane Shot, Arcane Shot and Kill Shot asap for sure.

Chose right target and right moment(be sure bubble and so on is already on cd), let your teammate cc the other opponent and set down the burst.

Even in 5v5 i think this works out well if you got a stun/burst team, rogue and retri for example.
Silence is just evil in a burst.

I tried checking your armory, but it said your current spec was 13/0/0, which seemed kinda odd, so I took the liberty to try and make a build on my own. I came up with this. If I had to go with this for arena, I think I covered the most.

Any comments?

Radus · 01/05/09, 4:43 AM

i dint see here coments about Mp5 versus haste so i need some help about the values please.
i saw in holy pve string the Mp5 = 2.5 and HasteRating = 1
but i dont need Mp5 wich is kinda usless and i dont know why the value is bigger then haste

can u explain plz

Ocrist · 01/05/09, 8:11 AM

Hotstreak? We`re not talking about hotstreak at the moment! The topic is arcane shatter combos ...

Cuthalion · 01/05/09, 11:54 AM

Hi,

i have recently respecced to DW to try it out. Now i was wondering should i go for the expertise cap or should i just gem all for +str?

Soulwraith · 01/05/09, 11:56 AM

Has anyone tested out Bandit's Insignia? i just picked it up last night(because it was a lot better then the Grim Toll i was using) And I'm just wondering how it compares.

thevidon · 01/05/09, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Mearis

Videon, you have a 1600 rating after 75+ games as a DK in 2 vs 2, with Naxx 25 gear and a shitload of honor pieces.

This is a guildmate of mine:

The World of Warcraft Armory

He started PvP'ing 10 minutes after hitting level 80. He has no PvP trinket, no honor gear to speak of, no PvE gear and is still using levelling greens/blues and he has 200 more rating than you - he pvp'd after not sleeping for 36 hours, and it was the first time he ever PvP'd as a DK.

May I suggest that you with-hold any thoughts you have on DK PvP because you might not have sufficient expertise on the subject?

This is a really stupid post. I played some 2's games weeks ago with a shaman who hadn't done arena as resto before, and had no res gear to speak of. I will pick up a DPS partner and faceroll my way to high ratings this week now that I'm back from vacation.

Personal attacks are not helpful or appreciated here. If you have some sort of justification for a reasonable argument then by all means put it forth.

Kazanir · 01/05/09, 1:01 PM

Originally Posted by thevidon

Personal attacks are not helpful or appreciated here. If you have some sort of justification for a reasonable argument then by all means put it forth.

Him pointing out indications of your play skill is far from a "personal attack." Your skill in PvP is highly relevant to your credibility when discussing PvP issues, and he pointed out salient evidence in a polite way. It was far from a vulgar, useless ad hominem.

thevidon · 01/05/09, 1:07 PM

Originally Posted by Kazanir

Him pointing out indications of your play skill is far from a "personal attack." Your skill in PvP is highly relevant to your credibility when discussing PvP issues, and he pointed out salient evidence in a polite way. It was far from a vulgar, useless ad hominem.

I haven't played 2's games in weeks. I played few of them when I did play, and my resto shaman partner was in no res gear (read dead in 5 seconds) and learning his class. Yep, my skill is clearly very well represented by that rating.

I played a resto shaman in S3/4 and was over 2k in both 2's and 3's as shaman/warrior and shaman/mage/warrior. I do not suck in arenas.

This whole conversation is stupid.

XI- · 01/05/09, 1:09 PM

Originally Posted by thevidon

I haven't played 2's games in weeks. I played few of them when I did play, and my resto shaman partner was in no res gear (read dead in 5 seconds) and learning his class. Yep, my skill is clearly very well represented by that rating.

I played a resto shaman in S3/4 and was over 2k in both 2's and 3's as shaman/warrior and shaman/mage/warrior. I do not suck in arenas.

This whole conversation is stupid.

You might be interested in a new post around here.

The PvP Forum and You

thevidon · 01/05/09, 1:12 PM

Originally Posted by XI-

You might be interested in a new post around here.

The PvP Forum and You

I'm defending myself against personal attacks. Shut up XI.

God can a mod please just delete like every post related to this stupidity?

XI- · 01/05/09, 1:18 PM

Originally Posted by thevidon

I'm defending myself against personal attacks. Shut up XI.

God can a mod please just delete like every post related to this stupidity?

Read the post again. Questioning your skill based on your statements and your rating is not a personal attack. It's a valid topic of conversation because your rating is the only direct reflection anyone can have on your skill level, and is precisely what Gurg is referring to in that post.

thevidon · 01/05/09, 1:22 PM

Originally Posted by XI-

Read the post again. Questioning your skill based on your statements and your rating is not a personal attack. It's a valid topic of conversation because your rating is the only direct reflection anyone can have on your skill level, and is precisely what Gurg is referring to in that post.

I don't know how else to say this.

I HAVEN'T PLAYED ANY 2V2 GAMES IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS. THAT TEAM DOES NOT REFLECT MY SKILL LEVEL.

If my team rating is being used as an indicator of my skill level, then its perfectly valid that I would give my general rating levels from past seasons that I participated in. After all, ratings are a totally accurate indicator of skills after 1 week of games with an under geared partner in a suboptimal comp right?

XI- · 01/05/09, 1:24 PM

Originally Posted by thevidon

I don't know how else to say this.

I HAVEN'T PLAYED ANY 2V2 GAMES IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS. THAT TEAM DOES NOT REFLECT MY SKILL LEVEL.

If my team rating is being used as an indicator of my skill level, then its perfectly valid that I would give my general rating levels from past seasons that I participated in. After all, ratings are a totally accurate indicator of skills after 1 week of games with an under geared partner in a suboptimal comp right?

Your team rating reflects your skill level no matter how loudly you yell. Your only choice to rectify this situation is to go get a better rating. Just like anything else here could have, and should have, have no place in a discussion.

obeah · 01/05/09, 1:35 PM

Originally Posted by Slims

Eviscerate is a Finishing Move, not a Combo move. A combo move are the ones that award you the points. And finishers are moves that uses them.
So the tier bonus is useless.

Ho ho ho true thing ! It's only applied to the combo moves ! With so little Hemos going here and there i agree about how useless the bonus will be.

Thx guys and best regards !

sephfiroth · 01/05/09, 2:03 PM

Originally Posted by Shha

As for execute optimization, 2x1h is a bad idea. You lose a lot of stats and damage, and STILL wont get a sure execute spam every GCD.

IF you want to ensure GCD execute spam, what you do is unequip your TG offhand.
Miss rate goes down to 0% if you are already special capped, and look at weapon speed:

3.4 base
speed factors:
1.2 WF
1.03 Ret/Moonkin
1.25 Flurry (With 1x2h it basically is always up, the uptime goes up a lot compared to dual wield)
1.3 heroism (You DO get heroism in Execute range right?)
15% gear haste (if you have less, use a 2h with haste on it for executes)

Final speed - 1.47 sec swings.

Pros of 1x2h:
- More stats (yes 1x2h has usually better stats then 2x1h)
- Comparable white damage (no misses with 1x2h)
- 2h Spec at work for executes
- Never miss/dodge or otherwise fail to swing, giving 100% certainty you can execute on gcd (- flurry dropping, when all you really lose is ~0.15 sec, which for most people will be actually less then lag induced loss in executes)

Im still not sold on the execute weapon switch btw, but if you do - use 1x2h.

A most interesting idea.

Thank you.

mikeymoollet · 01/05/09, 7:28 PM

hi mikeymoollet here <mediocre at best> of mug'thol. having done half of sunwell and clearing all current content(including 3 drake sartharion) i would have to say int is a very valuable stat. Not only do you get more mana regen from replenishment, you get alot more mana from mana tide. with my current 21k mana unbuffed i get almost 6k mana from mana tide(with glyph). where as a shaman with only 16k mana would get 4.5k. I also get alot more int/mana from buffs which is very nice considering you run 25 mans with full buffs. About the issue of the shoulders i would simply buy the valorous shoulders with 60 valor badges. They are best in slot considering you are using 2 piece which gives you an extra 13 mp5(assuming you have glyph) and 50 more mana every time your water shield procs. I find my water shield procing very often due to the new talent that causes it to proc off every riptide,lhw, or hw proc.

calanin · 01/05/09, 8:25 PM

According to Rawr 2.1.5 - Released Jan 3rd Cryptfiend's Bite is better than Betrayer of Humanity for a 2 handed Frost build. This just does not seem right, but maybe I am missing something? Can anyone confirm this? I imagine its an error in coding for Rawr, but I'd like to be sure.