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was for tinkles post.

Gregger · 01/07/09, 10:05 AM

I decided to respec my 74 DK last night. I had two 1.6 swords and max skill. Ended up Spec'ing 31/34. Over the course of 4 Violet Hold runs and 3 UK runs, I managed to get an average of 1211 DPS. My previous dps in Nexus and the other lower level ones as Unholy was 1100. I will be putting the remaining six points into Unholy ending up with 31/40.

His armory is HERE. I know my glyphs are horrid, those will be changed when I get home tonight. I picked up the gauntlets and the necklace from VH and will be using those when available. My only question is this, what rotation would you use for tanking? I realize I am probably not the best as in my tank gear at this level puts me at 17600hps with 11 dodge and 12 parry. For DPS I'm doing PS->IT->HB->BS->BS->Dump ->HB->IT->IT->DC->HB->Dump. For single target I was going to keep the same rotation as for DPS, but for packs would it behove me to PS->IT->Pest->HB->BB->Dump->HB->BB->Pest->IT->HB->PS? On the second set I would target the lowest hps mob and Pest that one to refresh the diseases on the remaing highest HP mobs.

Taraxacum · 01/07/09, 10:11 AM

* Mutilate: this ability will no longer give poisons on the off-hand weapon two chances to be triggered.

Guessing this is really going to throw a spanners in the works now?

Outkast661 · 01/07/09, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Foxx2405

Yes the latter would work fine, however you still might want to add the #showtooltip

Ill give you a quick rundown, line by line:

#showtooltip - This is a line I add to nearly all my macro's, at least those that involve abilities. Let me give you an easy and quick example:

#showtooltip Blood Strike
/cast Rune Strike
/cast Blood Strike

Now say i made this macro, clicked NEW, named it "BS" and selected the question mark icon.
If i wouldnt have put te #showtooltip at the top, what i wouldve gotten was a macro that when i mouse over it says "BS".
By putting the #showtooltip you let it show the tooltip of the skill you use. Why did I put Blood Strike behind it ? Because in my macro it tries to do Rune Strike first (ofc you can just put Rune Strike below BS in the macro, but this is as example). So it just always shows Blood Strike.
For all the macro cared I couldve put "#showtooltip Death Strike" and i wouldve showed me the DS tooltip.

/cancelaura - this is pretty selfexplainatory

/startattack - I put this in nearly all my attack macro's as well, simply said. If you are unable to use the ability (because of CD or lack of runes) you will still start auto attack.

/cast [mod:ctrl] Path of Frost; Icy Touch - The only thing this does is cast path of frost if you hold control, or Icy Touch if you dont hold down control. But this for a macro isn't needed. Its just something Ren included because he likes it that way.

Ah, okay now i get it. Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me.

xursa · 01/07/09, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Gaj

Nothing other than DPS is a reason to bring a hunter to Naxx. Many other classes can do the same thing. So we are interchangeable in that respect, which is fine actually. As long as our DPS is competitive to these other classes, we shouldn't have any issues. That is going to be the real 'test' of 3.0.8.

Of course, it all changes again in 3.1 based on what GC says, so essentially we are back in a holding pattern. I'm fine with the 3.0.8 changes. Hunters have earned a spot in raids, losing some DPS won't really change that.

As I dont agree that "nothing" other then DPS is a reason to bring a hunter to Naxx. I will agree that it is a vauable and needed component to the instance. I mean that is the hunter class, DPS.

But.... For me, Ill take a nerfed hunter who knows positioning, environment, stratagies, bosses and spacing in a raid over a DPS class on steroids every time. If I cant get my pimped out, 6k dps nerf proff class to rotate around Thaddius or not rotate correctly, then he is not "viable". Im not arguing the DPS being a valuable class in raids, thats self evident. What I am saying is that you would think this "nerf" or as I like to call it "balancing" of the Hunter class is the end of a class in WOW according to most threads Ive read. Yes 3.1 will restructure and so will 3.1.1, 3.1.2 at infinitum.. From now until the last days of WOW. It will never stay static, ever. All you OCDers, get use to change. Just master your class and you will always and forever be viable.

"First, master the fundamentals"

blbrchnk · 01/07/09, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Blafa

I just finnished my "final" wrath interface. Built on Ace 3. Be sure to check the combat screen below!

Addons:
Pitbull - Unitframes
kgPanels - Panels
Bartender 4 - Actions Bars
Ebb - Buffs
Prat - Chat
FuBar - "Addon Tracking bar"
Simple Minimap - Map
Recount - Damage Meters
DoTimer - Dot Timers
Quartz - Castingbar

In-Combat Screen

Comments and suggestions appreciated!

Is there any way that you could zip this up and post it? I love it

Scaredofbees · 01/07/09, 1:32 PM

Repeek

May I ask how or what addon is putting the time remaining on your Pitbull buffs and debuffs? The one at the top center of each icon.

I'm going to be ditching Elkano for Satrina because it's crashing on me and looking for a substitute debuff watcher, and if I can get the time stamps on the already used debuffs on my target frame for Pitbull this would be perfect.

Thanks in advance.

Zwaineroth · 01/07/09, 2:05 PM

For posterity, 6083 on Patchwerk using a Scorpid, full Aspect of the Beast, the Beast, Steady, and BW glyphs, and this spec: WowMeter parse.

I was also flasked and used Saronite Razorheads (usually use Timeless Arrows) and an Arrowsong. The number seems low, and I swear we're missing a buff, but damn if I know what buff it is.

Inspiration for the spec comes from Sean, except I took the 51 point talent so I can try to tame the Spirit Beast. Finding and taming him amidst the 10 other Hunters camping him at any one time is maddening; they really ought to make a few more beasts to tame, especially with the coming buffs.

◊ Repeek · 01/07/09, 2:20 PM

Originally Posted by Scaredofbees

Repeek

May I ask how or what addon is putting the time remaining on your Pitbull buffs and debuffs? The one at the top center of each icon.

I'm going to be ditching Elkano for Satrina because it's crashing on me and looking for a substitute debuff watcher, and if I can get the time stamps on the already used debuffs on my target frame for Pitbull this would be perfect.

Thanks in advance.

Its an option in Pitbull, you can find it by going:

Global Settings -> Aura -> Cooldown Text and Toggling it on.

xursa · 01/07/09, 2:52 PM

I think we are both in agreement, just getting lost in the web of uncertainty. Bottom line, IMO, Hunters are a unique class with more "challenges" then most. We have always delt with less and achieved more. Im sure the clothies out there would beg to differ, but in reality the intricasies of producing high DPS while managing a pet (micro managing if you want to be good) and pulling no aggro, while managing mana consumption all this with no healing ability, mana regen (sands viper 50% reduction in dps, or a suv build) complicated escaping abilities, basically trapping with lenghty CD and FD maybe, maybe not.

So, if the Blizz think tank is now bending under the other classes, due to their dislike of the high DPS out put of a DPS only and ranged at that class, then shame on them. But, we will overcome and overachieve because we can. Again, we the hunter IMO are exactly what MMO is supposed to be. Difficult, challenging, and gamer skill specific. Nerf me baby go ahead. Tomorrow there will be a new complaint among lesser classes. It will read...."Hey, I thought you were nerfing the Hunter"

xursa · 01/07/09, 2:56 PM

BTW,, I am and always will be an anti-macro advocate. I couldnt agree with you more. Kudos

Dafeaz · 01/07/09, 4:06 PM

So let's see if I'm reading this right...

All three specs will be able to pump out roughly the same amount of damage.

Scorpids will be dropped like a ten copper whore

Cats will only be viable pets when you're running with a feral druid for the bleed modifier.

Every goddamn hunter on the server will be camping Sholazar basin after the patch if they aren't already.

And we're gonna have to work our asses off to get appreciable numbers off the meters, and keep our raid spots over mages and retardins.

:/

Cthalupa · 01/07/09, 4:20 PM

That Steelio mouse looks awesome. I was planning on waiting for the roccat kone, but I'm seriously considering going for this instead.

Waste · 01/07/09, 4:29 PM

Originally Posted by Janraea

True enough, if someone else is providing +13% magic damage. Otherwise one of you ought to be 20/51.

We are actually hosting three Death Knights on our raid team. The first is 17/0/54 (2H Unholy Build), which he loves dearly. The second is 32/39. I'm going to respec to 44/27 to be the third, because with Unholy Aura covered (twice!) and both Crypt Fever and Ebon Plaguebringer accounted for, I think it is the logical choice.

◊ Tobin · 01/07/09, 4:41 PM

Wow Web Stats - 6451 dps

Tried the Beast thing last night with glyph. No Beast-tamer's Shoulders, absurdly low Steady crit rate (and thus low Claw crit rate), length of kill and shitty Heroism/Lust timing are my excuses. The shaman was told to bust Heroism 10s after the pull so we could get some time with all our initial trinket procs and sync'd cooldowns, but he did it after about 30s instead as the log shows.

Gater25 · 01/07/09, 4:56 PM

how important is the hit rating? I'm sure as most druids i dabble between all specs. Main spec being tank tho. I recently tried boomkin being as i had acquired a pretty nice set of balance/healing gear. I talked to a few boomkins that i know on my server and they are good dps as to the rotation/spec/gemming and i found a comfertable rotation and gear set. I average in 10 man naxx around 3k dps and my hit rating is only 97. Also When spec'ing i go into resto for the 30% mana regen and master shapeshifter intel bonus. Just wondering if there was a way i could maxamize my dps by changing spec or switching a few things up

Waddy · 01/07/09, 5:49 PM

Ok... So, I don't understand. I have 24/24 expertise which is 6% chance NOT to be dodged / parried on mobs. However, I'm doing parses where I get dodged or parried 9.5% of the time WTF!?

Also, what is the hit cap I should be striving for? Currently I have 11% haste / 11% hit / 6% exp / 2800 ap base and I'm curious if that's too high on hit or should I gem more for str?

Oh, and also it's switched back forth so many times I can't keep up what is the enchants we do with fast/fast? Cind/Crusade or Cind/Cind or ?

tryyourbest · 01/07/09, 5:49 PM

What weapons should i use if im just starting out in raiding and have some heroic badges... for DW?

jones4569 · 01/07/09, 6:24 PM

Originally Posted by Boldin

Just want to throw this out there, [Darkmoon Card: Greatness] is amazing. Last night was my first raid with it and I am in love.

16'57'' of DPS time on boss fights, Greatness proced 24 times. Overall, 43 minutes of DPS it proced 68 times. I spent about 12-14k on the cards but it was WELL worth it.

Here is the WWS if your interested: Wow Web Stats

I searched a few times and found next to nothing about this trinket so figured I'd post this for anyone interested in it.

Find me 10k gold, and Id happily use this trinket :P

Huntalicious · 01/07/09, 6:28 PM

Other classes and even Blizzard fails understand that Patchwork isn't the only boss ingame, 99% bosses requires moving (you can't do your 6-7k dps while moving) + pet manageing (WotLK bosses are very unfriendly to pets, half of the time atleast my pet bugs out, stops attacking, moving etc.), on some bosses half of the time i just resurect my pet because it just gets 1 shot by some damage and my pet isnt healers priority. Its worse in 10man fights then in 25man, since there pets gets more chain heals.

Janraea · 01/07/09, 6:38 PM

Oops, double-posted. please delete.

Perzyx · 01/07/09, 6:42 PM

Small lil short story on the 3.0.8 hunter nerf:

Guild Forums : The Naked Elves - Guild Launch Guild Hosting

Waddy · 01/07/09, 7:39 PM

Anyone have any incite on why I'm getting parried or dodged 9.5% of the time with 24/24 exp?

Lollers · 01/07/09, 8:07 PM

Ignore me.

Ravenoft · 01/07/09, 8:28 PM

Does anyone know a resource that has the best in slot list for DW specs. I'm to the point where im in all naxx epics and just need to know what pieces i really need to hunt for.