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Old 06/24/06, 9:20 PM   #1
Judia
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Yes I know theorycraft is bad for the soul but a thought did strike me today about Patchwerk.

These are pretty much confirmed facts by DnT on hateful strikes:
Hateful Strikes will hit the person second on the aggro list if they are in melee range for 22k damage which is mitigatable. If the attack missess or is dodge/parried Patch will instantly recast his attack until it lands. After a blow is landed he will cast his next attack 2seconds later. If the person is not in melee range the MT gets it in the face (This may not be true it may go to the person highest on the aggro list, who is in melee range, and who is not the MT unless only the MT is in range).

Ok so who cares ?
Well a quick run through of some sketchy numbers.

A full tier2 warrior with the trimmings is taking about 7.5k damage from a strike. That is 7.5k damage every 2s, so you really want to use 1.5s heals. That rules out druids and you are left with paladins shaman and priests. To put some rough and ready numbers in, say Flash heal heals for 1500, same for Lesser Healing Wave. So you would need 5 shamand/priests casting their 1.5s heal on he offtank every 2s. The spells cost around 380 mana (call it 400 for conveniance), and a raid buffed tank would have 8k mana give or take. That gives you 20casts before you are OOM before regen, or 40s. Even with crazy regen and consumables and inenrvate ther eis no way to streach that 40s to 300s (the length of the fight).

So how did DnT do it ?
Ok here is my hypothesis and this is NOT a slur on DnT, Im simpy retro engineering their kill-shot to make my point.

There are 10 paladins in the picture and a Druid in feral gear (tanking gear even).
We can assume that hatefulstrikes cannot crit, like other npc abilities such as unbalancing strikes. The Bear tank is running at around the 75% mitigation mark, so is taking around 25% less damage, or around 6k damage per strike. Now paladins can easily get 600 from FoL using enough +healing gear and 10*600= 6000. Now here is the kicker. FoL is 140 mana. On a raid buffed paladin pushing 7k mana, and including illumination, BoW and mp5s a paladin would barely even have to use a mana pot to last 5 minutes.

So ?
Well the pieces fit the hypothesis nicely, 10 paladins is almost the exact minimum to keep a bear tank up through the hateful strikes, why else bring 10 ? And why else would the druid be in full tank regalia (although yes thi could well be just for the shot).

The point ?
Horde dont have paladins. So if this is how they did it, then either they missed the trick (and maybe they didnt and this is a stupid thread), or horde cant kill Patchwerk except maybe by deranking heals in a healer heavy raid, and would this punish their ability to DPS him down fast enough ?

Food for thought ?

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Old 06/24/06, 9:50 PM   #2
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I guess my only question would be, have you fought him before?

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Old 06/24/06, 9:59 PM   #3
Judia
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No,
Hence the theorycraft comment on line 1.
However given much of the difficulty in the fight revolves about making your healers mana last the duration of the fight (that much people agree on), its a fair point that basically paladins are alot better at this than shamans. I geuss thats all Im really getting at I just resorted to pleaonism.

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Old 06/24/06, 9:59 PM   #4
Elani
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My guess, is that we didn't have 10 paladins. :)

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Old 06/24/06, 10:01 PM   #5
Brilliance
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No. We didnt have 10 pally's. We didnt use bear tanks.

If you havent seen the fight, stop making posts trying to act like you know wtf is going on in the fight.

This needs to get shit heaped... or get the poster banned. I thought there was a rule against posting baseless guess work?

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Old 06/24/06, 10:06 PM   #6
Phara
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Basing a theory partly on a screenshot seem a bit flawed, if you ask me

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Old 06/24/06, 10:29 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Judia
Yes I know theorycraft is bad for the soul but a thought did strike me today about Patchwerk.

Ok so who cares ?
No one ?

So how did DnT do it ?
Ask them ?


So ?
Exactly ?

The point ?
There is none ?


Food for thought ?
Banned for a week ?

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