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Old 11/11/06, 11:33 AM   #1
Celebrimor
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Mage
 
Executus (EU)
Tier 4:
http://www.thottbot.com/beta?s=tier+4+mage+set

112 stamina
137 intellect
71 spirit
177 spelldamage
15 spell penetration
35 spell hit rating
51 spell crit rating
3 blue sockets
2 yellow sockets
1 red socket
1 meta socket

Frostfire
http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=2469

chest, legg, shoulder, head and hands:

102 stamina
113 intellect
29 spirit
200 spelldmg
15 spell penetration
24 spell hit rating
42 spell crit rating

Actual differences in stats:

10 extra stamina
24 extra intellect
42 spirit
-23 spelldamage
0 spell penetration
11 spell hit rating
9 spell crit rating

Now that pretty much looks like a side grade, till you include the gemslots.
Now if we apply the best gems for damage at every slot:

1 red gem of 12 spelldamage
2 orange gems of 6 spell damage and 5 spell crit rating each.
3 purple gems of 5 spell damage and 6 stamina each.
1 meta gem of 14 spell crit and 1% spell reflect.
And since we completed the items socket bonuses we also get 14 extra spelldamage.

So totall socket bonuses:
53 spelldamage
24 spell crit
18 stamina

Now if we look at the stat diferences after we put in gems:

+28 stamina
+24 intellect
+42 spirit
+30 spelldamage
+11 spell hit rating
+33 spell crit rating

Wich is a CLEAR uppgrade.

If you want i can do this for other classes as well, but you got to remember that each socket is worth about 10 stat points.

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Old 11/11/06, 11:42 AM   #2
Masq
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Thats pretty insightful, I mean, why would tier 3 be better than tier 4?

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Old 11/11/06, 11:48 AM   #3
 sadris
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Originally Posted by Masq
Thats pretty insightful, I mean, why would tier 3 be better than tier 4?
Because Tier 3 is for raiders and Tier 4 is for casuals. Raiding gear will always be > casual gear. Source: Kaplan interview- http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/podcasts...odcast-004.mp3

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Old 11/11/06, 11:58 AM   #4
• Snowy
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Kinda funny how people would bitch either way. If 4 is better than 3, then they bitch that their naxx gear will be outdated. If 3 is better than 4 then they bitch that they dont get an upgrade. So 4 is better than 3. Shocking!

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Old 11/11/06, 12:01 PM   #5
Ren
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Originally Posted by sadris
Raiding gear will always be > casual gear.
So Tier 1 > Tier 4?

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Old 11/11/06, 12:09 PM   #6
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Something tells me this thread won't be lasting long...

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[Y]ou will tank 3 mobs, and only 3 mobs. 5 shalt thou not tank, nor shalt thou tank 4. Thou shalt not tank 2 mobs unless it is on the way to tanking 3 mobs.

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Old 11/11/06, 12:12 PM   #7
Felippe
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Tauren Warrior
 
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Can you do the same comparison using a pie chart?

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Old 11/11/06, 12:23 PM   #8
Cesar2000
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This is a groundbreaking discovery.

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Old 11/11/06, 12:31 PM   #9
Kazanir
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I presume that the OP got tired of all the people whining -- on this very forum, and elsewhere -- that Tier 4 wasn't a true upgrade over Tier 3 armor sets, and decided to point out the real statistics. Might not have deserved it's own thread, but what the heck.

Originally Posted by sadris
Because Tier 3 is for raiders and Tier 4 is for casuals. Raiding gear will always be > casual gear. Source: Kaplan interview- http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/podcasts...odcast-004.mp3
The idiocy, however, started with this statement, which could be the seed of a legendary thread on any other forum.

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Old 11/11/06, 12:31 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by jakez0r
Can you do the same comparison using a pie chart?

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Old 11/11/06, 12:36 PM   #11
Oneiros
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Greymane
Oh man, I'm like really hungover and the above pie chart just made me smile.

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Old 11/11/06, 12:40 PM   #12
Degorn
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Illidan
Originally Posted by Snowy
Kinda funny how people would bitch either way. If 4 is better than 3, then they bitch that their naxx gear will be outdated. If 3 is better than 4 then they bitch that they dont get an upgrade. So 4 is better than 3. Shocking!
People will bitch anyway because some greens and many blues are better than tier 3 pieces except for set bonuses.

Quick example:
Earthshatter Handguards (epic, Maexxna)
395 Armor +21 Stamina +28 Intellect
Equip: Increases healing done by spells and effects by up to 35.
Equip: Restores 6 mana per 5 sec.

Cowpoke's Riding Gloves (green, Netherstorm quest)
358 Armor +18 Stamina +16 Intellect
Equip: Increases healing done by spells and effects by up to 46.
Equip: Restores 6 mana per 5 sec.

Earthsoul Gloves (blue, Warlord Kalithresh drop)
407 armor +24 Stamina +25 Intellect
Equip: Increases healing done by spells and effects by up to 55.
Equip: Restores 7 mana per 5 sec

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