Hi,

I made a little Calc lately to show our tanks that greater stoneshield potions are > titans in this fight.

http://pwcalc.darkmasters.de/

9000 Life and constant 13000 Armor (Stoneshield + ZG Tank Trinket) and you will do fine.

wbr,
rothar

Is there any reason why you wouldn't use both stoneshields AND titans?

The reason is that you don't need the titans to survive the hateful, if a hateful would hit you twice you would be dead anyway.
With 13000 Armor the Hateful would hit your for 8000 Damage (Max).

Err, I still don't see why you wouldn't use both. You are not necessarily going to get healed back to full between hatefuls so why take the chance? By your logic, having anything over 8k or whatever health (not sure what the maximum hs is exactly for 14k armour but I'm pretty sure its less than 8k) is pointless because anything above that wouldn't let you survive a 2nd hs.

Exactly as Sticks pointed out, you might not get healed to full between 2 strikes.

Just a really quick and imaginable math-exercise... A tank gets hit for 2 HS's for 8000 each. He gets 6500healing between them. He starts at full HP.

In which case does he survive... Where he has 9000 or where he has 10200?

9000 -8000 +6500 -8000 = -500, dead tank.
10200 -8000 +6500 -8000 = +700, still standing.

Dunno why it would even need the explanation tho. Using a titans is clearly better then not using one.

CAN you do it wihtout Titans? Ofc you can with good healing. Titans just makes it easier.

is it possible that some guilds have it on farm that they are looking to cut costs. If so, then dropping titans would be cheaper (i think) then dropping 4 stoneshields per tank (2min each, 7min fight, so 4 i figure per fight). Perhaps this is the motivation...?

Then why need a calulator at all? You are hardly going to get rid of 10g worth of consumables (depending on eel prices) but still use the 60g pot just because the titans are more effective. If you are trying to save costs, you ditch the 60g pot instead of the 3g one no matter which is better.

Anyway, the calculator shows the opposite according to the criteria he was judging it on (the ability to live through 1 hateful strike). Going from 12k armour to 14k only gives a decrease of 868 damage so having the 1200 extra hp from the titans would be more beneficial in surviving a hs. Even going from 10k to 12k armour saves you less than 1200 hp.

If you are talking about saving healer mana, then obviously stoneshields are way better. But I didn't need to a calculator to tell me that a pot that increases mitigation will save healer mana while a pot that increases hp won't.

edit: A useful addition to the site that was just linked would be to be able to check for mark/elixir of defence/(imp)devo etc. Just having stoneshields clickable while having to add up the effects of all other buffs is a little pointless :P. Otherwise a useful little tool.

DeeNogger got it.

Sticks and Warpony you are correct, I just wanted to show that there can be a cheaper way to do it.

Your extra life with titans may safe you once, but does it save you twice?
The amount that need to be healed every Hateful is the same with or without titan.

wbr
rothar

Does using shieldblock remove dodges or parrys from PW:s hitroll?

I mean is it better for overall mitigation to use sb, or just stand there hoping to dodge and actually dodge more this way?

No it does not, blocking comes after miss/dodge/parry.

No, shield block is always lower priority that dodge/parry/miss. It is never a bad idea to use shield block.

So you're telling me that on a fight where you take upwards of 300k physical damage in the span of 6-7 minutes, Stoneshield pots will reduce your damage taken by more than 1200? Scandalous!

Also, we need more Patchwerk threads.