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With the expansion approaching rapidly, i've been thinking about how we'll be basically "starting over" in the raiding game. Basically we are being returned to just after release gear-wise, relatively speaking. Or are we? I was curious. Were we really seeing a huge power increase as some were speculating? Or are people getting excited over the relative equivalent of scholo/strat/DM/UBRS lvl gear? And if that's true, how powerful will gear be 1 year from now?
Well here's what I came up with to answer part of that question. This question also relates to what sets in TBC are equivalent to what sets in preXPAC. Is tier 1 equivalent relatively to tier 4? I haven't collected all that data yet, but will later (if no one beats me to it :P). This is all tank gear by the way. As a warrior I am most familiar with this gear, and distinctly remember having a good deal of the blue gear listed back around feb-april '05, which was plenty good enough to tackle MC at the time. Also, the stats listed are base stats for a night elf in live at 60 and xpac at 70. I used NE because I only have access to my friend's beta account for info and don't have one of my own. All the gear listed at 60 and 70 is all attained before hitting raid instances as well, to give a somewhat accurate representation of the power level you can be at when starting out your raiding career at 60 and 70 (i'm not sure if a couple of the blues in beta listed are from heroic mode instances or not, thottbot is pretty unclear on some things). So, here's what I came up with: (no talents are shown, IE: toughness, shield spec, etc ) lvl 60 NE Warrior stats: Strength: 224 Agility: 126 Stamina: 315 Intellect: 30 Spirit: 50 Armor: 6795 (55.3% reduction) Health: 4959 Equip: Increased Defense +72. Equip: 1 Dodge Equip: Increases your chance to dodge an attack by 2%. Equip: Increases your chance to parry an attack by 1%. Equip: +22 Attack Power. Total Shield block value: 53 ITEMS Back Cloak of Warding Binds when equipped Back Cloth 214 Armor Enchant: Dodge +1% Requires Level 57 Equip: Increased Defense +5. Chest Enchanted Thorium Breastplate Binds when equipped Chest Plate 657 Armor +26 Stamina +12 Strength Enchant: Health +100 Requires Level 58 Equip: Increased Defense +9. Feet Ribsteel Footguards Binds when picked up Feet Plate 438 Armor +10 Strength +17 Stamina +10 Agility Enchant: minor speed Requires Level 56 Left Finger Band of Flesh Binds when picked up Unique Finger +16 Stamina +6 Strength +3 Agility Requires Level 55 Right Finger Naglering Binds when picked up Unique Finger 50 Armor +10 Stamina Requires Level 54 Equip: When struck in combat inflicts 3 Arcane damage to the attacker. Equip: Increased Defense +5. Hands Force Imbued Gauntlets Binds when picked up Hands Plate 538 Armor +14 Stamina Enchant: Agility +15 Requires Level 56 Equip: Increased Defense +7. Head Enchanted Thorium Helm Binds when equipped Head Plate 526 Armor +25 Stamina +12 Strength Enchant: Health +100 Requires Level 57 Equip: Increased Defense +9. Legs Enchanted Thorium Leggings Binds when equipped Legs Plate 575 Armor +21 Stamina +20 Strength Health +100 Requires Level 58 Equip: Increased Defense +8. Neck Medallion of Grand Marshal Morris Binds when equipped Neck +7 Stamina Requires Level 52 Equip: Increased Defense +10. Shoulder Bulky Iron Spaulders Binds when picked up Shoulder Plate 470 Armor +15 Strength +12 Stamina +5 Spirit Requires Level 55 Equip: Increased Defense +6. Left Trinket Vigilance Charm Binds when picked up Trinket Requires Level 57 Equip: Increases your chance to dodge an attack by 2%. Right Trinket Counterattack Lodestone Binds when picked up Trinket Requires Level 58 Equip: Increases your chance to parry an attack by 1%. Equip: +22 Attack Power. Waist Handcrafted Mastersmith Girdle Binds when picked up Waist Plate 519 Armor +11 Strength +10 Stamina +10 Agility Requires Level 58 Wrist Fel Hardened Bracers Binds when picked up Wrist Plate 283 Armor +12 Strength +12 Stamina Enchant: Stamina +9 Requires Level 57 Equip: Increased Defense +3. Mainhand Timeworn Mace Binds when picked up One Hand Mace 120 Armor 62 - 117 Damage Speed 2.20 (40.7 damage per second) +7 Strength +11 Stamina Requires Level 57 Offhand Draconian Deflector Binds when picked up Off Hand Shield 2153 Armor 40 Block +7 Stamina +10 Fire Resistance Requires Level 58 Equip: Increased Defense +10. Ranged Gorewood Bow Binds when picked up Ranged Bow 55 - 104 Damage Speed 2.50 (31.8 damage per second) +9 Stamina +3 Agility +2 Strength ************************************************* BLUE lvl 70 NE Warrior stats: total strength: 297 (+155 from gear, 142 base) total agility: 201 (+100 from gear, 101 base) total stamina: 636 (+504 from gear, 132 base) Total HP: 12094hp (5584 base hp) (+150hp enchant) total armor: 11027 (10625 from gear, +402 from agi) (51.0% mitigation) ***Mitigation %= armor/(armor+85*(level + 4.5*(level-59))+400)*** (formula from this thread http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewtopic.php?id=9387 ) total defense rating: 346 (+144 defense) total dodge rating: 44 (2.3% dodge) total parry rating: 35 (1.11% parry) total block rating: 47 (5.94% block) total critical strike rating: 34 (1.54% crit) total hit rating: 14 total block value: 209 (111 value from gear +shield value 83 +15 from strength) ITEMS Shoulderguards of the Bold Binds when picked up Shoulder Plate 873 Armor +25 Strength +25 Stamina Yellow Socket +3def +6sta Blue Socket +3def +6sta Socket Bonus: +3 Dodge Rating Enchant: +15 dodge +10 defense rating Durability 80 / 80 Requires Level 70 Equip: Increases defense rating by +17 Sells for 4 Gold 41 Silver 26 Copper to vendors Item Level 115 Caverns of Time Dark Portal Lvl 70 Aeonus Loot 2 Warrior Set Chest Binds when picked up Chest Plate 1164 Armor +23 Strength +21 Agility +33 Stamina Red Socket +8 parry Red Socket +8 parry Blue Socket +3def +6sta Socket Bonus: +4 Defense Rating Durability 135 / 135 Enchant: +150 hp Requires Level 70 Equip: Increases defense rating by +19 Sells for 5 Gold 87 Silver 38 Copper to vendors Item Level 115 Tempest Keep Atrium Lvl 70 Warp Splinter Loot 2 Warrior Set Helm Binds when picked up Head Plate 946 Armor +24 Strength +22 Agility +23 Stamina Blue Socket +3def +6sta Meta Socket +12 def rating / restores hp on hit Socket Bonus: +4 Strength Durability 80 / 80 Enchant: +10 stamina / +11 defense rating / 15 block value Requires Level 70 Equip: Increases defense rating by +20 Sells for 4 Gold 44 Silver 72 Copper to vendors Item Level 115 Legguards of the Resolute Defender Binds when picked up Legs Plate 942 Armor +23 Agility +69 Stamina Durability 100 / 100 Enchant: +10 stamina / +11 defense rating / 15 block value Equip: Increases defense rating by +35 Equip: Increases your parry rating by 20. Sells for 5 Gold 75 Silver 52 Copper to vendors Item Level 106 Gauntlets of the Bold Binds when picked up Hands Plate 728 Armor +17 Strength +16 Agility +31 Stamina Red Socket +8 parry Yellow Socket +3def +6sta Socket Bonus: +3 Parry Rating Durability 45 / 45 Enchant: +15 agility Requires Level 70 Equip: Increases defense rating by +14 Sells for 3 Gold 17 Silver 13 Copper to vendors Item Level 115 Doomplate Girdle Binds when picked up Waist Plate 655 Armor +22 Strength +25 Stamina Red Socket +8 parry Blue Socket +3def +6sta Socket Bonus: +3 Agility Durability 45 / 45 Requires Level 70 Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 20. Sells for 3 Gold 22 Silver 96 Copper to vendors Item Level 115 Vambraces of Aggression Binds when picked up Wrist Plate 451 Armor +18 Strength +26 Stamina Durability 45 / 45 Enchant: +12 stamina Requires Level 68 Equip: Increases defense rating by +10 Equip: Increases the block value of your shield by 23. Sells for 3 Gold 14 Silver 12 Copper to vendors Item Level 112 Boots of the Colossus Binds when picked up Feet Plate 709 Armor +22 Strength +27 Stamina Yellow Socket +3def +6sta Blue Socket +3def +6sta Socket Bonus: +3 Defense Rating Durability 65 / 65 Enchant: minor speed / +9 stamina Requires Level 68 Equip: Increases defense rating by +18 Sells for 4 Gold 59 Silver 29 Copper to vendors Item Level 112 Caverns of Time Dark Portal Lvl 70 Chrono Lord Deja Tank Cloak Binds when picked up Unique Back 216 Armor +15 Stamina Requires Level 68 Enchant: 120 armor Equip: Increases defense rating by +26 Equip: Increases the block value of your shield by 29. Sells for 2 Gold 45 Silver 76 Copper to vendors Item Level 112 Mark of the Ravenguard Binds when picked up Neck +40 Stamina Equip: Increases defense rating by +17 Sells for 4 Gold 19 Silver 53 Copper to vendors Item Level 115 Andormu's Tear Binds when picked up Finger Equip: Increases defense rating by +10 Equip: Increases your dodge rating by 26. Equip: Increases your shield block rating by 15. Sells for 71 Silver 2 Copper to vendors Item Level 115 Caverns of Time Old Hillsbrad Lvl 70 Lieutenant Drake Tank Ring Binds when picked up Unique Finger 110 Armor +30 Stamina Requires Level 68 Equip: Increases defense rating by +20 Sells for 5 Gold 50 Silver 35 Copper to vendors Item Level 112 Figurine of the Colossus Binds when picked up Unique Trinket Requires Level 70 Equip: Increases your shield block rating by 32. Use: Each successful block heals you for 120. Effect lasts 20 sec. Cooldown: 2 min Sells for 6 Gold 62 Silver 90 Copper to vendors Item Level 115 Adamantine Figurine Binds when picked up Unique Trinket Requires Level 68 Equip: Increases defense rating by +32 Use: Increases armor by 1280 for 20 sec. Cooldown: 2 min Sells for 6 Gold 62 Silver 90 Copper to vendors Item Level 112 Aegis of the Sunbird Binds when picked up Off Hand Shield 3711 Armor 83 Block +27 Stamina Durability 100 / 100 Requires Level 68 Enchant +18 stamina Equip: Increases defense rating by +18 Equip: Increases the block value of your shield by 29. Sells for 5 Gold 42 Silver 55 Copper to vendors Item Level 112 Starbolt Longbow Binds when picked up Ranged Bow 126 - 235 Damage Speed 2.80 (64.5 damage per second) +19 Stamina Durability 75 / 75 Requires Level 68 Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 14. Sells for 6 Gold 66 Silver 85 Copper to vendors Item Level 112 Truncheon of Five Hells Binds when picked up One-Hand Mace 90 - 168 Damage Speed 1.80 (71.7 damage per second) +19 Stamina Durability 90 / 90 Enchant: mongoose Requires Level 70 Equip: Increases defense rating by +15 Equip: Improves hit rating by 14. Sells for 9 Gold 4 Silver 21 Copper to vendors Item Level 115 Well there it is :) The ones that jump out at me are the mitigation numbers, 55% at 60 vs 51% at 70, the stamina, which is fairly similar if you compare base hp to stamina obtained from gear and take into account the lesser cost of stamina in the item budget. I'm curious what the tier 4 stuff will turn out to be, but we haven't seen all of the ancillary tier 4 level gear to go with it to make a very good comparison, like rings and such. If other people want to gather stats like this to compare their class at or near release in blues at 60 and at 70, i'd be interested to see it. I'm betting casters will see the biggest difference, since most of the stats they go after now were not widely available for some time after release, stats like +dmg, +hit with spells, and +heal. |
Its a bit unfair to compare to Dire Maul loot since that was not available pre-MC. Id say over half the loot you are comparing to was not available when MC was new.
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Yes, that's true, DM didn't come out until what, march? April? I forget exactly. We ran DM along with MC at the time for select pieces of gear and for quel'serrar books. However, DM gear was mostly equivalent ilvl as strat/scholo/ubrs stuff, just better itemized. The difference if I took out DM gear and replaced it with only strat/scholo/ubrs stuff would still be pretty minor.
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what you really should do is three comparisons, from which you can linearly extrapolate teir 8, maybe. Take the best combination of Strath/Scholo/BRS/BRD blues/purps for each class. Then find the best teir 3/naxx combos in 2.0. Finally compare this to teir 4/level 70 dungeon drops for each class. These three stat points, you're looking at attack power(hunters, rogues, fuwars, Enhamans, Rallys), spell damage(mages/locks/spriests), healing(priests/pallys/druids/shaman), and Def/Stam(wars/Bruids/pallys) to see the relative increase from the first level 60 dungeons to teir 3. Then the increase from teir 3 to level 70. From that you may be able to track the relative increase from level 70 to the final teir of level 70 content, but that may just be a pipe dream. I think this is a better clue as to what you're after though.
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So gear has improved over these past two years and will continue to do so. Fascinating.
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