Im saying the patch just down right sucked.

Weapon skill nerf with rage normalization even with 47 deep into fury i saw my dps take about a 16% nerf. I doubt any other class in the history of WoW took such a dramatic turn from 1 day to the next

What is everyone elses thoughts on the patch? all specs are welcome to post of course :P


edit: posting this now because everyone has a couple of days to raid and/or pvp to get used to the patch

the 1 thing i really dont like about rage normalization is that it makes warriors even MORE gear dependant then they already were.

Its terrible, I hate my class now. On loatheb last night there were points where I didn't even have enough rage for whirlwind...How the hell can I not generate enough rage for two instant attacks with 85% crit? Rampage sucks too in raids. The AP is very insignificant after raid buffs. I'm starting to think that the rage would almost be better for something else.

PVP is complete crap now. Any competent player can kill me.

I am not having fun AT ALL. This sucks. All I want is to be the same as I was before...

Arms in PVP feels pretty much exactly the same as before, except second wind lets me outheal a bunch of people. Sure there's less rage to play with but I still seem to do more damage than anyone else (except warlocks but warlocks shouldn't be brought up in balance discussions anymore).

Of course I'm just coming off of 6 months of prot so take what I have to say with a grain of salt.

Let me remind everyone that rampage you ae looking at is basically 55 less AP then the level 70 version and it has no scalability. Ergo.rampage blows a big one. I posted on the beta forums to buff rampage but that advice fell on deaf ears and your typical egotistical warriors saying" lolz rampage is fine".

This might be the first thing on blizzard's list to fix if blizzard does in fact look to fix warriors. And i highly disagree with anyone that says rampage is fine.because its not

Rampage would be ok if it only cost like 10-15 rage. For DW Fury, the normalization wasn't that bad, but for tanking level 60 elites it's simply awful, I don't have enough rage to hold aggro against other people.

Could we request that this discussion keeps in mind that warriors at the high end, as they were, were the premier tanking class while also being the highest sustainable dps class, and damn near irreplacable in group PvP? Unless you think that was a fair situation, "All I want is to be the same as I was before..." is hardly a sound argument. A nerf to high end warriors was entirely intended, expected, and depending on your point of view, necessary.

Besides that, I'm also very interested in hearing well formulated thoughts on aspects of the 2.0 warrior, and this would be the place to find that. Discussions everywhere else are drowning in cries of how terrible it is to be nerfed.

"[Talent] is bad/good because [...]" is informative and interesting.
"Current rage generation is an issue because [...]" can be informative and interesting.
"I no longer win dps meters and offtank masterly, I'm quitting" is not.

Rampage is terrible tbh. I was just browsing over some quick math but if you are at 2000 ap or so BT is a better use of rage then rampage (this number includes factoring in glancing blows). For a 41 point talent that is really really bad considering when i get a few crusader procs and fully raid buffed im hitting the 3k ap mark. At least i know now how to spend my rage

Ok ill play ball

Rampage is bad because its rage intensive (see rage normalization for details) lasts 30 seconds and is a marginal dps gain which doesnt scale and is theoretically worse then anticipated due to glancing blows and resilence later on.

Haste effects under the normalization law is terribly implemented...i can gain flurry on a 2.6 speed weapon and gain less rage per hit rather then it not be under any haste effect.ergo the normalization formula is fubared

I don't doubt that, but since I am not particularly savvy with melee dps calculations, would you mind posting the calculations for how the damage/rage return on rampage compares to BT, WW and - if still relevant after rage norm - your third rage dump of choice? (HS/Cleave?)

Ya, I agree. It's just an earthstrike at 60 rage a minute. They can easily fix its scaling problem by turning it into a Badge of the Swarmguard instead (avoid armour = % upgrade to dps = scalable).